All Devices Updated Apple Maps

[dk001]

Explain one thing to me then, how is Waze even a thing if what you are saying is true? How does Waze tell me when there is traffic? Are there sensors on the road now telling me when there is a car broken down on the side of the road? Sensors tell me where police are hiding? Where construction starts/ends? The whole app is crowdsourced...and it's not even the number one navigation app in use!!

I gave you a link to an article that states as fact that Google has been using the phone data as it's primary traffic indicator for 10 years. Quoted from people that lead Google Maps!

Where is your statement listed above from? Are you assuming that since "local highway authorities" is mentioned first that it is the main source of data?

Please...just provide one source to back up your claims without it being just what you believe.


EDIT: Another nice article.

https://www.lifewire.com/how-google-traffic-works-4176990

You really need to look at what you are asking.
Waze get's real time traffic data updates from users reporting said data. Here is the link from Google on the workings of Waze. https://support.google.com/waze/answer/6078702?hl=en
This is very different from the Apple and Google traffic information collection.

While Google owns Waze, data sharing between the two is via agreements; they are operated as separate entities. Yes, Waze does use some Google data.

Edit: Knew about that info from Lifewire. It does help hilight what makes Waze so different; it leverages real time user updates. There have been a few cases where groups of users tried to create false events on Waze.

 

[MozMan68]

My point in bringing up Waze is to highlight that this very accurate traffic data, whether automatically uploaded or entered manually by a user, is coming from people with phones in their car. Not government sensors.

Yes...there are that many people driving...with phones in their cars...with that particular app (opened!) ...to submit active traffic data that even Google and Apple use to augment their own data.

It shouldn’t be that difficult to believe that Apple and Google can passively collect enough data from nearly every phone out there to get even better traffic data without an app even having to be opened.

 

[dk001]

My point in bringing up Waze is to highlight that this very accurate traffic data, whether automatically uploaded or entered manually by a user, is coming from people with phones in their car. Not government sensors.

Yes...there are that many people driving...with phones in their cars...with that particular app (opened!) ...to submit active traffic data that even Google and Apple use to augment their own data.

It shouldn’t be that difficult to believe that Apple and Google can passively collect enough data from nearly every phone out there to get even better traffic data without an app even having to be opened.

Actually, the real time supplemental data is live from users physically reporting it. It also leverages traffic data from Google who gets their data from ....

When you compare all three for the same time frame ... (Google Apple Waze)


Edit: This is all on iOS 13 b2

 

[jmontana]

Would it be possible to move all the traffic data discussion to another thread? I'm really only interested in updates to the Maps app, and I feel like these latest discussions are no longer relevant. Thanks!

 

[MozMan68]

Would it be possible to move all the traffic data discussion to another thread? I'm really only interested in updates to the Maps app, and I feel like these latest discussions are no longer relevant. Thanks!

Nah...we’re done...

 

[Alan Gordon]

Texas, Louisiana and southern Mississippi are showing up now for some.

Are these people all on iOS 13 DB 3?

This is exciting to me, as it's getting much closer to me, but I'm still seeing old data for all three states on iOS 13 DB 2, iOS 12.3, and OS X El Capitan.

 

[MozMan68]

Are these people all on iOS 13 DB 3?

This is exciting to me, as it's getting much closer to me, but I'm still seeing old data for all three states on iOS 13 DB 2, iOS 12.3, and OS X El Capitan.

That's a good question...not sure.

The fact that only some are seeing while others don't is typical. Not sure how or why the server selects who sees what.

EDIT: Image showing the new coverage area.

 

[dk001]

Are these people all on iOS 13 DB 3?

This is exciting to me, as it's getting much closer to me, but I'm still seeing old data for all three states on iOS 13 DB 2, iOS 12.3, and OS X El Capitan.

On PB2 and not seeing any of this.

 

[CTHarrryH]

I find it amusing that I see red line traffic jams for the 100 ft before a traffic light. Certainly, who cares data there.
Do you really want to send your location to Google, Apple or anyone else. I'd give up a lot of function to keep my data private

 

[MozMan68]

First page updated with new areas...please chime in once you see these new areas (or others!)

 

[i505]

I am not seeing the new maps for Texas yet but the markers for Texas Farm to Market roads are more detailed—they now say “Farm Road” like the real signs.

 

[G1Ravage]

I'm on regular 12.3.1. Not seeing any updated data yet.

Although driving home from work this morning, I could swear things looked slightly sharper or more color vibrant.

Never mind, I'm just crazy.

 

[dk001]

I am not seeing the new maps for Texas yet but the markers for Texas Farm to Market roads are more detailed—they now say “Farm Road” like the real signs.

Markers and labels have apaprently updated but that appears to be all for the moment.

 

[MozMan68]

Markers and labels have apaprently updated but that appears to be all for the moment.

I still can’t believe how bad Google is at this. The first thing I noticed when Apple Maps was first introduced was how they took the time to make sure road markers matched the signs on the road.

Michigan

Google

Apple

Alabama

Google

Apple

Florida

Google

Apple

 

[G1Ravage]

I still can’t believe how bad Google is at this. The first thing I noticed when Apple Maps was first introduced was how they took the time to make sure road markers matched the signs on the road.

Michigan

Google

Apple

Alabama

Google

Apple

Florida

Google

Apple

That's one of the things I like about Apple Maps...the attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, and the fact that these route markers feature front and center in the directions. It's colorful and nice.

Google isn't wrong, though. Just lazy. Google uses what is technically the national standard for State Route shields. However, each state has the option of creating their own unique shield. Many do, but some don't.

 

[dk001]

That's one of the things I like about Apple Maps...the attention to detail when it comes to stuff like that, and the fact that these route markers feature front and center in the directions. It's colorful and nice.

Google isn't wrong, though. Just lazy. Google uses what is technically the national standard for State Route shields. However, each state has the option of creating their own unique shield. Many do, but some don't.

One thing I have noticed and gets confusing no matter what map app you use: does the map match the road signs?
Seen a lot of that in Texas and Cali. Both places have multiple names associated with the roads and the map may/may not match the road signage. Then when you do turn by turn what it says may / may not match the road signs. Figure that is as much an issue with the States as with the apps.
The road / highway having multiple names is a pain.

One thought on map icons like markers; Googles has a lot of hold-overs from days when download speed and data volume was a serious concern.

 

[MozMan68]

One thing I have noticed and gets confusing no matter what map app you use: does the map match the road signs?
Seen a lot of that in Texas and Cali. Both places have multiple names associated with the roads and the map may/may not match the road signage. Then when you do turn by turn what it says may / may not match the road signs. Figure that is as much an issue with the States as with the apps.
The road / highway having multiple names is a pain.

One thought on map icons like markers; Googles has a lot of hold-overs from days when download speed and data volume was a serious concern.

Google has actually gone backwards/simplified signage. When Apple Maps first came out, Google’s MI state road icons were. It the generic ones they have today...but they were never as nice as Apple’s.

At a quick glance, the icons make a big difference for me. Especially since I travel to multiple states all the time.

 

[Alan Gordon]

First page updated with new areas...please chime in once you see these new areas (or others!)

I think you left some places out.

 

[MozMan68]

I think you left some places out.

Huh?

Just checked and everything is there?

 

[Alan Gordon]

Huh?

Just checked and everything is there?

My mistake. I was thinking chronologically, not alphabetically.

 

[MozMan68]

My mistake. I was thinking chronologically, not alphabetically.

Phew...yeah...someone suggested that when we started the Wiki and I thought that was a good idea.

 

[G1Ravage]

One thing I have noticed and gets confusing no matter what map app you use: does the map match the road signs?
Seen a lot of that in Texas and Cali. Both places have multiple names associated with the roads and the map may/may not match the road signage. Then when you do turn by turn what it says may / may not match the road signs. Figure that is as much an issue with the States as with the apps.
The road / highway having multiple names is a pain.

YES. This is a major annoyance of mine. In Las Vegas, there's a major freeway which carries I-515, US-93, and US-95. Navigating on Apple Maps, it seems to randomly choose one of these identifiers, but never mentions them all.

While driving on the new I-11 around Boulder City, which is co-signed with US-93, Apple Maps (the NEW Apple Maps, mind you) couldn't decide which road I was on. Every four miles or so, it would change the name of the road to the other name, and would even announce the change every time.

"Continue straight onto I-11 South." Even though there's no interchange for miles and miles.

 

[MozMan68]

Looks as though folks with iOS 12 are seeing the updated Maps areas...but still not getting iOS13 specific features like LookAround.

 

[gwhizkids]

Looks as though folks with iOS 12 are seeing the updated Maps areas...but still not getting iOS13 specific features like LookAround.

And that makes sense, as we were seeing these updates while still on 12, so that is a server-side update. Look Around is (obviously) a feature of the iOS 13 Maps app.

 

[G1Ravage]

Looks as though folks with iOS 12 are seeing the updated Maps areas...but still not getting iOS13 specific features like LookAround.

Man, I'm not seeing Texas or anything else new yet. Guess I'm not in Apple's cool club anymore.