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20% shorter battery life?! Seriously?

Firmware you mean? If so, you might install Windows and patch it through it. Clumsy but solution :D

Well, guys, do I get right all the issues with increased powerdraw and broken hibernation are present only on nvme drives? So sacrificing speed is a way to avoid all of that?
yes, I wrote 2-3 big messages about this, this is logical
on pre 2015 laptops there is no straight support for nvme drives, this models have somehow compressed version of nvme drivers (like beta version) comparing to 2015+ laptops that have straight compatibility for nvme drives
so that is a reason why nearly every NVMe SSD in pre 2015 laptops will drain more battery even if they have lower idle/read/write consumption because of extra temperature on CPU (even if you have perfect and fresh thermal paste) after a while you will see that with usual AHCI SSD in nearly all cases laptops fans is not working comparing to nearly always (except idle state) with NVMe SSD
few pages before I provide even a simple algorithm to test it if somebody didn't believe in this info
fans that trying to cool laptop CPU is draining more battery in my opinion and it is accepted by my experience 13'mbp mid2014 and 2 different NVMe SSD (sx8200pro '~1500/1000 and kingston a1000 ~800/700')
in case with sx8200pro always my fans was running to keep CPU more cooler (thermal interface was fresh and good quality)
in case with Kingston a1000 it similar to AHCI drive
that's from where is my opinion
we need somebody with pre 2015 laptop and modified bootrom to see if it goes different with 'proper' nvme driver from 2015 laptop
It appears to me from reading this thread that there are no sleep issues with the mid-2015 MBP machines. I have a mid-2015 15” and a Sabrent 2TB drive on the way. From what I learned here is that this drive is one of the best priced, performing, and minimal problem drive so I figured I would give it a shot. Will be posting my experience here once I get everything.

On another note, are there any issues with running BootCamp with a mid-2015 15” and the Sabrent Rocket drive?
there is a trick at 1st post to install bootcamp with every nvme drive
cannot accept it about 2015 machines but I guess
 
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I want a 970 Pro SSD. I wanted to hear your opinion now. Do you think it's worth waiting for a successor or not? I use my Macbook mainly for working (Photoshop, video editing etc.).
 
MacBook Pro 15 Late 2013 + Nvidia graphic card
You will not be able to take advantage of the Samsung's high read write speeds due to the speed limit of the MacBook PCI-e bus. Your MacBook will not be able to wake from hibernation without kernel panics too.

An Adata 8200 pro or Sabrent Rocket may be more suitable.
 
I decided to go with the 1tb Silicon Power. I am hoping it performs like the Sabrent Rocket in terms of heat.
 
You will not be able to take advantage of the Samsung's high read write speeds due to the speed limit of the MacBook PCI-e bus. Your MacBook will not be able to wake from hibernation without kernel panics too.

An Adata 8200 pro or Sabrent Rocket may be more suitable.

Is not there a terminal command to solve this problem? I have read in many Amazon reviews that people use the "970 Pro" without problems in the 2013 MBP.


Is there no hibernation problem with the Adata SSD?

And can I use the variant with built-in cooler of the Adata Gammix S11 Pro SSD or does not fit this into the Sintech Long adapter and should use the normal SX8200 Pro?
 
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For those with the Phison E12 based drives like the Sabrent Rocket, what firmware versions do you have on it? I've read that 12.1 exhibits higher heat and that when 12.2 was installed, it was better. I found an installer from another drive manufacturer in Japan that posted the 12.2 firmware update to their site.

If anyone is interested, the web site is here (translated with Google): https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https://www.cfd.co.jp/news/2019/03/20190319-2/

and a direct link to the 12.2 firmware update is here: http://driver.cfd.co.jp/cfd-drv/files/cssd-pg2vn/[98]DLMC(CFD)(ECFM12.2).zip

The page shows that the update contains "OPAL support and performance improvement" so maybe the 12.2 is worth the hassle to update it.

I don't have my 2015 MBP yet, but I'm installing Windows on an external USB drive so I can update the firmware once I get it (if it's not already at 12.2). Was really curious though what version other people are running.

On another note, with a mid-2015 15" MBP with the dual GPU, are there any issues with running BootCamp at all once I start using the Sabrent Rocket 2TB drive in the machine?
 
we need somebody with pre 2015 laptop and modified bootrom to see if it goes different with 'proper' nvme driver from 2015 laptop
I have a 2013 13" MBPr that I fully intent to flash a modified firmware using this guide.
I ordered a Pomona SOIC clip (knock-off that is) as the J6100's are pretty expensive to my taste for a single use.

It could be about 4-8 weeks however before you'll hear back from me. (Writing thesis, almost done but I ain't messing around with my only machine before it's all done and graded

I need someone to write out what you want me to test out before and after flashing the firmware, step by step and with which tools.

I intend to replace the AHCI drive with a Samsung 970 EVO and while I'm at it replace the ~5 year old thermal paste with the best stuff I can find.
 
I upgraded my 2015 MBP 15 inch to a 2TB Intel 760p using the short Sintech adapter.

At first it seemed to be working well, save that I noticed speeds were 700MB/s read and write rather than the 1,300MB/s I had seen others achieve.

In System Info the link speed was showing 4x PCIE but the GT speed fluctuated on reboot between 8 and 2.5. After a few days I woke it up to find a kernel panic had occurred during sleep. Another kernel panic then ensued later that day, so I guessed all might not be well.

To try and fix this I put kapton tape on the adapter, as well as on the top of the SSD (in case it was touching the MBP's case) and below the SSD, in case it was touching that or there were EMI issues.

I did notice that the side of the adapter which enters the MBP motherboard already had some kind of black wrap/cover in the area above the pins which go into the slot on the Motherboard. However, there was a small amount of the area which was not properly covered by the factory, so I taped over that.

So far no Kernel Panics and the speed has gone to the 1,300 MB/s seen by others.

Battery life seems to have gone down quite a bit with the storage upgrade - it seems to have lost nearly two hour's capacity according to iStat Menu's estimate, although I need to test more to work out exactly how much has gone in real world use.

On balance I think I will stick with the drive even if battery life is affected, as this machine is not used out and about. For my 13 inch MBP I upgraded to a 1TB SSUBX, which has worked without issue.
 
Hi guys. I installed a 512gb aData 8200 on my 2015 MacBook Air 11" and it runs really faster.
Though battery life is really an issue and so I am going to put back the original apple disk and take advantage of extra juice.
Is there a chance I can use this nvme m.2 disk on a, say, old Mac mini maybe?
 
Hi guys. I installed a 512gb aData 8200 on my 2015 MacBook Air 11" and it runs really faster.
Though battery life is really an issue and so I am going to put back the original apple disk and take advantage of extra juice.
Is there a chance I can use this nvme m.2 disk on a, say, old Mac mini maybe?
Only if the mac mini has a m.2 pcie drive like Apple's laptops. Some do, some don't. You already have the adapter, it's worth a try.

m.2 to 2.5" SATA adaptor only works with SATA m.2 drives and yours is nvme.

m.2 nvme to usb-C enclosure is possible with yours. But all are USB-C only. Only works with the latest mac mini.
TB to usb-C adaptors only work with TB3 which is only on the latest mac mini.

If you are feeling handy, you could build a small ITX hackintosh following tonymacx86 (important to get the right mobo), or chuck together whatever you have and run osx in a VM.
 
Only if the mac mini has a m.2 pcie drive like Apple's laptops. Some do, some don't. You already have the adapter, it's worth a try.

m.2 to 2.5" SATA adaptor only works with SATA m.2 drives and yours is nvme.

m.2 nvme to usb-C enclosure is possible with yours. But all are USB-C only. Only works with the latest mac mini.
TB to usb-C adaptors only work with TB3 which is only on the latest mac mini.

If you are feeling handy, you could build a small ITX hackintosh following tonymacx86 (important to get the right mobo), or chuck together whatever you have and run osx in a VM.

i have found this https://www.xt-xinte.com/XT-XINTE-P...-Mini-A1347-MEGEN2-MEGEM2-MEGEQ2-p556999.html
should work on 2014 Mac mini and my aData, no?
 
So what I don't really understand is how the 2015 MacBooks suffer a battery life reduction when they'd supposedly have the "correct" NVMe drivers in the firmware

From reading this thread I had the impression shortened battery life was caused by
1) More consuming SSD (Meaning it's regardless the Macs year)
2) More CPU activity compensating for the compressed NVMe drivers on 2013-2014 MacBooks
3) Disabled sleep/deepsleep/hibernation causing the laptop to draw more power when its lid is closed & not in use (Again, this should be only an issue on the 2013-2014 Macs that aren't flashed with a hacked firmware, rather disable those functions through Terminal)

I upgraded my 2015 MBP 15 inch to a 2TB Intel 760p using the short Sintech adapter.
Battery life seems to have gone down quite a bit with the storage upgrade - it seems to have lost nearly two hour's capacity according to iStat Menu's estimate,

contradicting statements = confusing :$
 
So what I don't really understand is how the 2015 MacBooks suffer a battery life reduction when they'd supposedly have the "correct" NVMe drivers in the firmware

From reading this thread I had the impression shortened battery life was caused by
1) More consuming SSD (Meaning it's regardless the Macs year)
2) More CPU activity compensating for the compressed NVMe drivers on 2013-2014 MacBooks
3) Disabled sleep/deepsleep/hibernation causing the laptop to draw more power when its lid is closed & not in use (Again, this should be only an issue on the 2013-2014 Macs that aren't flashed with a hacked firmware, rather disable those functions through Terminal)

contradicting statements = confusing :$

We are also not quite comparing apples to apples as the NVMe drives people are installing tend to be larger capacity models than the ones they replace, which might also imply additional power draw.

I suspect point 1 is the biggest factor though, as NVMe drives are somewhat notorious for generating heat to the point of being thermally throttled, which implies sucking up power.

And on point 2, I it is rather hopeful to assume that Apple's driver is perfectly optimised even in the 2015 MBPs, given that this model never shipped with one.
 
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What are the disadvantages of shutting down hibernation due to a new SSD?


And has anyone here already tried the "Adata Gammix S11 Pro"?
This has a built-in cooler. Does he fit into the Sintech long adapter anyway?
 
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Hi,

I'm thinking of getting the Sabrent rocket NVMe and would be interested in seeing how high is the battery drain with it or any other NVMe drives.
I have 2014 13" MBPr with the newer apple SSUBX 1TB AHCI drive and my battery barely touches 5 hrs (coconut battery showing my battery usage fluctuating between 9-25 wats)
Would anyone with the Sabrent rocket NVMe upload their coconut battery screenshot showing the battery usage.
 

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Hello everybody. First off, thanks for everybody’s contributions to this thread. I am a little overwhelmed trying to pick which NVME to get and would really appreciate some suggestions based off my system and my requirements/priorities.

I am looking to upgrade my 2015 15" MBP with these specs:
  • MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015)
  • 2.5 GHz Intel Core i7
  • 16GB Ram
  • AMD Radeon R9 M370X 2 GB
  • Intel Iris Pro 1536 MB
  • Current Drive - 500GB SSD

My most important requirements:
  • Stability - I use my MBP to DJ/perform with so I absolutely cannot be having random kernel panics. I need a drive that is consistently rock solid.
  • 1TB or 2TB capacity
  • Low Heat - I understand I will see an increase in temps with an upgraded drive, but I would prefer it to not run too hot.
Less important/nice-to-have features:
  • Fast R/W speed - I will be happy as long as it performs as good as or better than the OEM Apple SSD. The increased capacity is what I really need.
  • Minimal Battery Drain - I can live with a reduced battery life. It’s plugged in for the most part.

So with that info about my situation, what would you guys recommend for a stable NVME for my system? I'm willing to pay more if that's what it takes to get rock-solid stability. Thanks!
 
I have a 2013 13" MBPr that I fully intent to flash a modified firmware using this guide.
I ordered a Pomona SOIC clip (knock-off that is) as the J6100's are pretty expensive to my taste for a single use.

It could be about 4-8 weeks however before you'll hear back from me. (Writing thesis, almost done but I ain't messing around with my only machine before it's all done and graded

I need someone to write out what you want me to test out before and after flashing the firmware, step by step and with which tools.

I intend to replace the AHCI drive with a Samsung 970 EVO and while I'm at it replace the ~5 year old thermal paste with the best stuff I can find.
So especially me I want you if its possible to explain how you gonna upgrade it since your drop link with the post and instructions for upgrade process connected with j6100 and you go for different way
in my case (check signature) my chip is on downside of logic board so I don't know which clip I could successfully use with disassembled logic board to upgrade
as well I have an idea about a reason of extra heating with NVMe SSD for sure about pre 2015 models and I am curios if its still a problem after bootrom upgrade
So it is good idea if you can try to use some scenario of using your mbp while you can notice some abnormal jumps and sticky heating on CPU (use TG Pro, iStat, Mac fan control)
-before ssd upgrade with stock ssd
-with NVMe SSD and default bootrom
-with NVMe SSD and upgraded bootrom
I experience extra jump and sticky CPU heating (with nvme drive comparing to stock ahci) while I was watching 1080p stream video from any service
so that's from where this legs growth

Hi guys. I installed a 512gb aData 8200 on my 2015 MacBook Air 11" and it runs really faster.
Though battery life is really an issue and so I am going to put back the original apple disk and take advantage of extra juice.
Is there a chance I can use this nvme m.2 disk on a, say, old Mac mini maybe?
if you really need some extra space and want to try one more than I have something for you to think
in my personal experience with similar to your laptop with pci-e 3.0x2 (with default ssd speed in my case ~300/100 *in your could be faster since you have 2015 year product*)
I have tried as well Adata but pro and 256gb was jumping out from unbelievable slow 128 stock drive
and comeback to stock drive since I lose nearly hour from on battery time while using but behind as well a battery drain hole connected with hibernation impossibility (okay it was rapid fast really x3 difference comparing stock) and "one more thing :apple:" my CPU was heating much more every time ssd do something
now I jump to Kingston a1000 which is 3.0x2 nvme with a twice faster than my stock speeds and okay yes twice slower lets say than really fast Adata but now I have ~half hour extra hour comparing to stock drive and more than 1 hour and half comparing to Adata but
I lose 'one more thing' with CPU overheating
and any way still behind is hibernation impossibility since in our laptops all nvme drives cause this
you can consider this if your default speeds is that much slow as mine if you have nearly my current (~800/750) otherwise avoid I guess even this )

So what I don't really understand is how the 2015 MacBooks suffer a battery life reduction when they'd supposedly have the "correct" NVMe drivers in the firmware

From reading this thread I had the impression shortened battery life was caused by
1) More consuming SSD (Meaning it's regardless the Macs year)
2) More CPU activity compensating for the compressed NVMe drivers on 2013-2014 MacBooks
3) Disabled sleep/deepsleep/hibernation causing the laptop to draw more power when its lid is closed & not in use (Again, this should be only an issue on the 2013-2014 Macs that aren't flashed with a hacked firmware, rather disable those functions through Terminal)



contradicting statements = confusing :$
still we not figure out is this a usual that nvme drive cause extra CPU heating on all mbp's or this is connected with pre 2015 models with not 'right' nvme drivers inside bootrom
for now its experienced in nearly all upgrade cases for pre 2015 models as I notice in this topic and some of 2015 models as well

What are the disadvantages of shutting down hibernation due to a new SSD?


And has anyone here already tried the "Adata Gammix S11 Pro"?
This has a built-in cooler. Does he fit into the Sintech long adapter anyway?
your 'on battery' time since usual gap that MacBook's has comparing to usual laptops is that mbps more clever jumps between 3 states 'stand, sleep, hibernation'
so you disable one of this state (otherwise every hibernation time you will get kernel panic) and your laptop sleeping during night (~10 hours) for example will lose 2-5% at best but in more cases even more
Hi,

I'm thinking of getting the Sabrent rocket NVMe and would be interested in seeing how high is the battery drain with it or any other NVMe drives.
I have 2014 13" MBPr with the newer apple SSUBX 1TB AHCI drive and my battery barely touches 5 hrs (coconut battery showing my battery usage fluctuating between 9-25 wats)
Would anyone with the Sabrent rocket NVMe upload their coconut battery screenshot showing the battery usage.
why you consider upgrade? your laptop has a nearly perfect ssd for example in battery battle every ssd will be defeated for sure since ahci protocol is more optimized for mbp
as well in cpu temperature battle again for nearly 99% this is the best
and as I check speeds for this drive is enough fast at all and for this mbp for sure since it has pci-e x2 so your bottleneck is ~1500 in both ways higher is unreachable for this laptop
Hello everybody. First off, thanks for everybody’s contributions to this thread. I am a little overwhelmed trying to pick which NVME to get and would really appreciate some suggestions based off my system and my requirements/priorities.

I am looking to upgrade my 2015 15" MBP with these specs:
  • MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2015)
  • 2.5 GHz Intel Core i7
  • 16GB Ram
  • AMD Radeon R9 M370X 2 GB
  • Intel Iris Pro 1536 MB
  • Current Drive - 500GB SSD

My most important requirements:
  • Stability - I use my MBP to DJ/perform with so I absolutely cannot be having random kernel panics. I need a drive that is consistently rock solid.
  • 1TB or 2TB capacity
  • Low Heat - I understand I will see an increase in temps with an upgraded drive, but I would prefer it to not run too hot.
Less important/nice-to-have features:
  • Fast R/W speed - I will be happy as long as it performs as good as or better than the OEM Apple SSD. The increased capacity is what I really need.
  • Minimal Battery Drain - I can live with a reduced battery life. It’s plugged in for the most part.

So with that info about my situation, what would you guys recommend for a stable NVME for my system? I'm willing to pay more if that's what it takes to get rock-solid stability. Thanks!
Rock solid is better to avoid nvme since by factory your laptop coming with ssd using AHCI protocol while could be NVMe
If you are okay to pay for really stable experience stay with ahci ssd (where better ofc to use apple one's)
Some people experience kernel panic (rare, even more rare that you think but still for your case I guess) with nvme drives that has really good/best according to this topic
 
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Rock solid is better to avoid nvme since by factory your laptop coming with ssd using AHCI protocol while could be NVMe
If you are okay to pay for really stable experience stay with ahci ssd (where better ofc to use apple one's)
Some people experience kernel panic (rare, even more rare that you think but still for your case I guess) with nvme drives that has really good/best according to this topic

Thanks for the response. I know the best choice would be Apple OEM but I just can't shell out that much. To rephrase, which drives are the MOST stable from users experience on here? I am aware that kernel panics can happen but that they are rare so I'm just wondering which drive would have minimal chances of it happening.
 
I just bought a 15” mid-2015 MBP and I want to upgrade to a Sabrent 2 TB NVMe drive using a Sintech adapter.

Is that a good drive for this machine? Anything I need to be aware of? I’ve read many posts here but wanted to double check. Is there another drive that would be a better choice?

Thank you!
Look at my posts and benchmarks and you can see that I have used that exact same ssd in a 2015 15 inch rMBP

Are you doing this to upgrade space or because you want higher “speed”?
Do you leave your computer plugged in all the time or do you need lots of battery life unplugged? What is most important to you: performance? Space? Battery life?
Are you going to be doing any video editing of large files. Do you plan on filling up more than 50 percent of your new SSD?

If you want a 2TB drive, your choices are smaller than say 1TB
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Thanks for the response. I know the best choice would be Apple OEM but I just can't shell out that much. To rephrase, which drives are the MOST stable from users experience on here? I am aware that kernel panics can happen but that they are rare so I'm just wondering which drive would have minimal chances of it happening.

How much is “that much”?

You can get a 512gb SSUBX apple oem drive for 140-150 dollars on Ebay
Here is one example:

Apple SSD Samsung 512GB SSUBX MZ-JPV5120/0A4 655-1859H or 655-1859F

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/223530747305
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2015 machines don't have sleep issues.
You have to know that NVMe run hotter than ahci drives and the cpu works a little more under load that's why battery life looses a bit (in my case 20% using sabrent rocket 1tb on same machine as yours).
Otherwise no issues

What he said!

You trade in battery life and extra heat for better performance. Something has to give.
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20% shorter battery life?! Seriously?

Firmware you mean? If so, you might install Windows and patch it through it. Clumsy but solution :D

Well, guys, do I get right all the issues with increased powerdraw and broken hibernation are present only on nvme drives? So sacrificing speed is a way to avoid all of that?

Yes. You can get an old(er) AHCI drive and not worry about battery life as much
 
How much is “that much”?

You can get a 512gb SSUBX apple oem drive for 140-150 dollars on Ebay
Here is one example:

Apple SSD Samsung 512GB SSUBX MZ-JPV5120/0A4 655-1859H or 655-1859F

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/223530747305

I need the 1TB drive, I have the 512GB one. I guess I didn’t consider that getting a used one would be an option since they are so expensive new. What’s the specific part # for the 1TB SSD used in the Mid 2015 MBP? Thanks.
 
I got the Sintech adapter from Amazon today. Looks like they’ve updated them and already taped off the area as shown in this picture. Figured I would share so people can see what they’re shipping from Amazon today.

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Look at my posts and benchmarks and you can see that I have used that exact same ssd in a 2015 15 inch rMBP

Are you doing this to upgrade space or because you want higher “speed”?
Do you leave your computer plugged in all the time or do you need lots of battery life unplugged? What is most important to you: performance? Space? Battery life?
Are you going to be doing any video editing of large files. Do you plan on filling up more than 50 percent of your new SSD?

If you want a 2TB drive, your choices are smaller than say 1TB

I have a mid 2012 so I needed an upgrade. I needed more space with an all around well performing drive. Plugged in mostly but on battery from time to time. It appeared that this Sabrent 2TB would fit the bill as a well rounded drive for the 2015 15 MBP. Will report back some data once I get it and get everything installed.
 
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