Thanks for your links!
This is the one i've to buy : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sintech-20...F-PCI-e-SSD-/222667727031?hash=item33d807e0b7 or this http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html
Thanks a lot
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Thanks for your links!
This is the one i've to buy : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sintech-20...F-PCI-e-SSD-/222667727031?hash=item33d807e0b7 or this http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html
Thanks a lot
Thanks for your links!
This is the one i've to buy : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sintech-20...F-PCI-e-SSD-/222667727031?hash=item33d807e0b7
Thanks a lot
No, that one is the wrong way round. its for a mac ssd to standard connector.Thanks for your links!
This is the one i've to buy : https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sintech-20...F-PCI-e-SSD-/222667727031?hash=item33d807e0b7
Thanks a lot
try
https://www.ebay.com/itm/M2-M-Key-S...A1398-A1502-/222617863013?hash=item33d50f0365
Oh sorry sorry
copy the wrong link ...i suppouse that this was the right one http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html However if you told me that the little green works, i'll buy that one
Yep thats the one, also the sintech green one that i linked to does work and has the same connections as the long black one. I know it looks similar to the cheap ebay and ali express ones but it is very different and does work.Oh sorry sorry
However if you told me that the little green works, i'll buy that one
Hi guys,
what about the new big Sintech black adapters?
http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html
Anyone tried them? I need to buy new adapters from sintech and I was wondering if they work better than the old green ones
what about the new big Sintech black adapters?
http://eshop.sintech.cn/ngff-m2-pcie-ssd-card-as-2013-2014-2015-macbook-ssd-p-1229.html
Anyone tried them? I need to buy new adapters from sintech and I was wondering if they work better than the old green ones
I'm using one in my 2015 macbook pro with an sm961 SSD, works perfectly. same connections as sintech long green one.
Thanks a lot!Im waiting an answer by Gilles if he has an adapter to sell, instead of wait a month.
Are these adapters coming from China right?How much time to wait for the deliveri?
I ordered some here in Qatar and they arrived in about 10 days posted from Singapore. I also got some sent to my UK address and they were posted from the UK and arrived very quickly.
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I ordered some here in Qatar and they arrived in about 10 days posted from Singapore. I also got some sent to my UK address and they were posted from the UK and arrived very quickly.
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I ordered some here in Qatar and they arrived in about 10 days posted from Singapore. I also got some sent to my UK address and they were posted from the UK and arrived very quickly.
Uhmmm...ok, im in Italy, and usually the delivery time is quite long!I hope they can send items from UK in my case
hi guys.
just to share my experience with MacBook Pro retina 15" 2015 using 960 pro 1tb with latest firmware (you can update it only trough samsung magician software, so you have to install bootcamp).
everything ok with 10.13.4 and these are the results of Blackmagic diskspeed test:
2062.1 mb/s write
2379.2 mb/s read
very very happy!
just to share my experience with MacBook Pro retina 15" 2015 using 960 pro 1tb with latest firmware (you can update it only trough samsung magician software, so you have to install bootcamp).
everything ok with 10.13.4 and these are the results of Blackmagic diskspeed test:
2062.1 mb/s write
2379.2 mb/s read
very very happy!
Amazing speed!But why only using bootcamp?Isn't possible with Parallels? (Windows virtualization)
Hi all,
Going to upgrde my mba A1466 ssd. Received long black adapter from sintech. Now just need ssd. Looking on slickdeals,came across Intel 512gb 6000p @$130.
Iread on previous post that the Intell 6000p is pretty much the same as Intel 600p with added enterprise features. Will this work with my config?
Anyway around the poor power draw during sleep?
Thanks
Hi everyone,
Just to share my experience with the 13' rMBP 2014, with small black Sintech adapter + 960 EVO 500GB
1) reboot problem("?" mark) YES (with"alt",no disk found)
2) cold boot OK (if with "alt", orange/external disk found)
3) sleep problem YES
PS. I ordered a large green sintech adapter now, and am waiting to test it when received.
Just to share my experience with the 13' rMBP 2014, with small black Sintech adapter + 960 EVO 500GB
1) reboot problem("?" mark) YES (with"alt",no disk found)
2) cold boot OK (if with "alt", orange/external disk found)
3) sleep problem YES
PS. I ordered a large green sintech adapter now, and am waiting to test it when received.
Update - my unstability issues has been solved (it seems)
I wrote earlier about my 2015 mid MBP 15" with EVO 960 1TB that takes a while to boot and even when booted could crash with a kernel panic.
Eventually it will end up being stable for some reason.
I thing I found the cause of the problem.
I have a 256GB JETDrive sitting in the SDCard slot - and this drive I have tried formatting as APFS and had it formatted like this for months.
Yesterday I formatted it to ExFat in order for it to be compatible with fx windows computeres.
And now the delayed KPs seemed to have dissappearred !
So if this is correct then the IONVMEController code somehow conflicts with the Jetdrive 256 formatted as APFS!
Strange I know! My main drive is APFS of course....
So fingers crossed this seems to have made my setup stable
I wrote earlier about my 2015 mid MBP 15" with EVO 960 1TB that takes a while to boot and even when booted could crash with a kernel panic.
Eventually it will end up being stable for some reason.
I thing I found the cause of the problem.
I have a 256GB JETDrive sitting in the SDCard slot - and this drive I have tried formatting as APFS and had it formatted like this for months.
Yesterday I formatted it to ExFat in order for it to be compatible with fx windows computeres.
And now the delayed KPs seemed to have dissappearred !
So if this is correct then the IONVMEController code somehow conflicts with the Jetdrive 256 formatted as APFS!
Strange I know! My main drive is APFS of course....
So fingers crossed this seems to have made my setup stable
I have just installed a Samsung PM961 512GB in my MacBook 13'' early 2015 and while it works I have a feeling it overheats. After some Blackmagic tests ~ 1500MB/s read / 600MB/s write (too low) DriveDX shows a temperature of 63C. Is that normal?
I'm using the long black sitnech adapter and don't have any other stability issues. I didn't put any kapton tape. Is it still needed with that adapter?
I havent' updated the firmware yet because bootcamp needs "OS Extended (Journaled) volume or already partitioned by Boot Camp Assistant for installing Windows" and I need to reinstall everything because I'm on APFS. My current firmware CXY74D1Q. How do I check if that's the latest firmware?
Thanks
I'm using the long black sitnech adapter and don't have any other stability issues. I didn't put any kapton tape. Is it still needed with that adapter?
I havent' updated the firmware yet because bootcamp needs "OS Extended (Journaled) volume or already partitioned by Boot Camp Assistant for installing Windows" and I need to reinstall everything because I'm on APFS. My current firmware CXY74D1Q. How do I check if that's the latest firmware?
Thanks
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This is a bad thing...
...can i solve in another way?Using an external adapter case for the SSD and doing it on a windows machine?!I've installed my original drive back to compare the temperature to the Samsung PM961. What I did is measure the temperature while idle and under load after 5x5GB Blackmagic tests.
Original Samsung 256GB (came with the MacBook)
Idle: 40C
Load: 51C
Samsung PM961 512GB
Idle: 61C
Load: 76C
I don't know if that's the case with you guys but for me that's a deal breaker. Is there way to limit the speed somehow. I'd rather have a much lower speed and a cooler MacBook comfortable to work with as I use it a lot on my lap. I'm considering putting some thermal tape between the drive and the case - not sure if that will help.
Which is the coolest NVMe compatible drive?
Original Samsung 256GB (came with the MacBook)
Idle: 40C
Load: 51C
Samsung PM961 512GB
Idle: 61C
Load: 76C
I don't know if that's the case with you guys but for me that's a deal breaker. Is there way to limit the speed somehow. I'd rather have a much lower speed and a cooler MacBook comfortable to work with as I use it a lot on my lap. I'm considering putting some thermal tape between the drive and the case - not sure if that will help.
Which is the coolest NVMe compatible drive?
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Hello to all,
a little note on recent works :
I've done a lot of tests about hibernation with NVMe drives on 2013-2014 macbook pro / air, with different OS.
Surprisingly (or not), hibernation works perfectly with Windows 8 / 10 and NVMe SSD on 2013-2014 macs.
It just works without any effort : in every tests I made I installed Windows, asked for hibernation and the computer hibernated... It stayed on hibernation forever without any battery drain and could wake up reliably 100% of my tries.
It seems hibernation on Windows doesn't work like under macOS : the energy state seems the same (S4, CPU and ram shut down), but the keyboard isn't able to wake the mac.
Wake from hibernation with Windows involve to press the power button, which make the mac chimie like a cold startup, and then it restores from hibernation file properly. Don't know yet if it's a normal behaviour with BootCamp..
With Linux I had more difficulties, because there are kernel events which prevents hibernation, and there are so many distributions / power managements package combinations that I couldn't test all and neither got success, but I'll continue...
I've also tested thoroughly macOS, of course, but with my 2 genuine Apple NVMe SSDs (AP032 and SM2048L). This was in order to verify if hibernation failure wasn't due to Sintech adapters.
And it seems not because on 2013-2014 macs, the Apple NVMe SSD have the exact same behaviour as other NVMe SSD with the Sintech adapter.
I wasn't able to make hibernation work even with any of my Apple NVMe SSD, and I've tested everything from 10.11 to 10.13, even with alternate bootloader (rEFInd, Clover).
Finally, I tried to watch the behaviour of the different signals with a little 2 channels oscilloscope...
It seems that :
- on every mac (2013-2017) the signal SSD DEVSLP always stays low (0V)
- on every mac (2013-2017) the signal SSD_PWR_FET_EN is always high (3,3V) even on sleep and during reboot
- on 2015-2017 macs the SSD_CLKREQ signal is high for little time at startup before SSD_RESET goes high, then is highly variable : it goes high when SSD is not in use, and low when high clock is requested (I guess).
- on 2013-2014 macs the SSD_CLKREQ is high for little time at startup before SSD_RESET, then stays at 0 every time.
- on every mac (2013-2017) SSD_RESET is low for 1s at startup then high (3,3V)
To me, this seems to confirm that the wiring of the Sintech green / black type C adapter is absolutely correct, and that there is no improvement to be made at this hardware level.
So, at this point, I still have a lot of testings to do to understand what is going wrong here with NVMe SSD that prevents 2013-2014 macs to be able to wake up from hibernation, but :
- it seems hibernation problem with 2013-2014 macs isn't related to the M.2 adapters.
- it seems also that this issue may be related to EFI, either a problem with the NVMe DXE driver in EFI of the 2013-2014 models, or something else... This may be a too complex problem for me, there is a lot of interesting work to be done here...
The fact that hibernation is possible with Windows indicates that a software patch enabling hibernation with NVMe drives on 2013-2014 macs is possible...
I can't answer if it will be such a thing available one day...
As a sidenote, I did tested lately some cheap NVMe SSD that came to the market recently, which are both very similar : Kingston A1000 and MyDigital SBX NVMe SSD.
Both use a Phison 5008 PCIe 3.0 x2 controller
On every mac which connector is limited to PCIe 2.0, those SSD are quite limited by the 2x lanes : top speed is 700MB/sec, no more (it is very usable thought...)
Only the rMBP 15" mid 2015 is PCIe 3.0 and goes beyond 1400 MB/sec with those SSD.
By the way those SSD are cheap : less than $160 for 500 GB... cheapest upgrade so far for those PCIe mac...
a little note on recent works :
I've done a lot of tests about hibernation with NVMe drives on 2013-2014 macbook pro / air, with different OS.
Surprisingly (or not), hibernation works perfectly with Windows 8 / 10 and NVMe SSD on 2013-2014 macs.
It just works without any effort : in every tests I made I installed Windows, asked for hibernation and the computer hibernated... It stayed on hibernation forever without any battery drain and could wake up reliably 100% of my tries.
It seems hibernation on Windows doesn't work like under macOS : the energy state seems the same (S4, CPU and ram shut down), but the keyboard isn't able to wake the mac.
Wake from hibernation with Windows involve to press the power button, which make the mac chimie like a cold startup, and then it restores from hibernation file properly. Don't know yet if it's a normal behaviour with BootCamp..
With Linux I had more difficulties, because there are kernel events which prevents hibernation, and there are so many distributions / power managements package combinations that I couldn't test all and neither got success, but I'll continue...
I've also tested thoroughly macOS, of course, but with my 2 genuine Apple NVMe SSDs (AP032 and SM2048L). This was in order to verify if hibernation failure wasn't due to Sintech adapters.
And it seems not because on 2013-2014 macs, the Apple NVMe SSD have the exact same behaviour as other NVMe SSD with the Sintech adapter.
I wasn't able to make hibernation work even with any of my Apple NVMe SSD, and I've tested everything from 10.11 to 10.13, even with alternate bootloader (rEFInd, Clover).
Finally, I tried to watch the behaviour of the different signals with a little 2 channels oscilloscope...
It seems that :
- on every mac (2013-2017) the signal SSD DEVSLP always stays low (0V)
- on every mac (2013-2017) the signal SSD_PWR_FET_EN is always high (3,3V) even on sleep and during reboot
- on 2015-2017 macs the SSD_CLKREQ signal is high for little time at startup before SSD_RESET goes high, then is highly variable : it goes high when SSD is not in use, and low when high clock is requested (I guess).
- on 2013-2014 macs the SSD_CLKREQ is high for little time at startup before SSD_RESET, then stays at 0 every time.
- on every mac (2013-2017) SSD_RESET is low for 1s at startup then high (3,3V)
To me, this seems to confirm that the wiring of the Sintech green / black type C adapter is absolutely correct, and that there is no improvement to be made at this hardware level.
So, at this point, I still have a lot of testings to do to understand what is going wrong here with NVMe SSD that prevents 2013-2014 macs to be able to wake up from hibernation, but :
- it seems hibernation problem with 2013-2014 macs isn't related to the M.2 adapters.
- it seems also that this issue may be related to EFI, either a problem with the NVMe DXE driver in EFI of the 2013-2014 models, or something else... This may be a too complex problem for me, there is a lot of interesting work to be done here...
The fact that hibernation is possible with Windows indicates that a software patch enabling hibernation with NVMe drives on 2013-2014 macs is possible...
I can't answer if it will be such a thing available one day...
As a sidenote, I did tested lately some cheap NVMe SSD that came to the market recently, which are both very similar : Kingston A1000 and MyDigital SBX NVMe SSD.
Both use a Phison 5008 PCIe 3.0 x2 controller
On every mac which connector is limited to PCIe 2.0, those SSD are quite limited by the 2x lanes : top speed is 700MB/sec, no more (it is very usable thought...)
Only the rMBP 15" mid 2015 is PCIe 3.0 and goes beyond 1400 MB/sec with those SSD.
By the way those SSD are cheap : less than $160 for 500 GB... cheapest upgrade so far for those PCIe mac...
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Regarding the 2013/14 MBP's not waking from hibernation. My findings show that it could well be related to Bootrom firmware. In the 2015, which in my case does wake from hibernation, the NVMe drive is seen as internal at the time of booting (alt/power startup) therefore the drive is found and hibernation wake takes place, but with the 2013/14 MBP's the drives are seen as external at this point because the bootrom is in control. Hibernation cannot wake as the internal drive is not found, during normal running, the same drive is seen as internal and hibernation can take place but at wake time the bootrom shows it as external. This also accounts for the longer time period for the apple logo to appear at boot on these models whereas the 2015 boots normally.
If they use x2 controller does that also mean that they run a lot cooler. I have a PM961 running idle ~ 60C / under load > 76C but if those are cooler and closer to stock ssd temperatures that could be a possibility for me.
I upgraded my early 2011 MBP 13" with a Samsung SSD and I am all happy. Just the optical disk drive is dying on me. Wouldn't consider buying a new machine for the coming years.
My 256GB SSUBX is 20C cooler than my NVMe in Macbook 13'' early 2015 both under load and idle check out my post above.