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666sheep

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Neither in DP4. At least for PCIe cards. Curious what USB-C MacBook ASP would say. XHCI driver was updated in this build.
 
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Uh, I thought that MacBook is... my bad.
I meant XHCIPCI, it was updated along other XHCI kexts.
But still no drive connected to ASM PCIe card is visible and still only USB 3.0 in ASP.

Mine works normally and shows x2 lane in profiler

If we don't see a Mac sold with 3.1 before El Cap comes out then Yosemite and Mavericks will probably never have official support for 3.1 speed cards.
 
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666sheep

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That's weird. Which card do you have?
I tried both: Asus and Asrock, same story. Both work perfectly in 10.10.4, including correct lane width.
Asus had a problem with lane negotiation in a slot 3 in El Cap, Asrock doesn't have.
I use El Cap Dev Preview 4, you Public Beta 2 right?
But this shouldn't be an issue. At least for Yosemite betas it wasn't.
 

666sheep

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Perhaps it comes from my other PCIe cards and slot they're installed in.
Since I can juggle them I don't really care.
 

radus

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I have serveral maxed out cMPro s -- but in May I bought a PC with I7-5930 Prozessor, AS Rock Mainbord (X99 Extreme 6/ac, SM951 ssd, ..., silent case)
in the end - this pc is with windows 10 much better then any Mac I have
ssd at full speed (2100...), usb 3.1 no problem, thunderbolt no problem, usb ports on top of the case- so easy to put somthing in, 4k 60 hz mst works on my 4k Panasonic TV like a charm - even the bios shows up, ....

it is so good to be able to use the best pieces of Hardware and Software (Windos 10) wihtout problems
 

666sheep

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I have serveral maxed out cMPro s -- but in May I bought a PC with I7-5930 Prozessor, AS Rock Mainbord (X99 Extreme 6/ac, SM951 ssd, ..., silent case)
in the end - this pc is with windows 10 much better then any Mac I have
ssd at full speed (2100...), usb 3.1 no problem, thunderbolt no problem, usb ports on top of the case- so easy to put somthing in, 4k 60 hz mst works on my 4k Panasonic TV like a charm - even the bios shows up, ....

it is so good to be able to use the best pieces of Hardware and Software (Windos 10) wihtout problems

Congratulations on tying the knot! :D
 
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Are you using 10.11.x? My USB3.1 was fantastic in 10.10.5, I can get about 635MB/s read/write.

But all of that went to sh*t, with 10.11.x...
I'm cursing as OS 10.11.x now

The card was still working as a USB 3 device until PB2, but a bit unstable. From PB3 onwards it was no longer possible to connect any USB devices.

I decided to drop El Capitan today and return to Yosemite. I'm surprised you got that speed. What drive did you attach?
 

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Hey all,

Most of you probably saw this on MacRumors earlier this month, but just in case anyone missed it: there is an officially mac supported USB 3.1 / eSata combo PCIe card coming soon from CalDigit.

http://www.caldigit.com/USB-C/

Scroll down past the TB boxes to the PCIe card. Looks very promising, although it seems like OS X hasn't enabled true USB 3.1 (gen2) speeds yet in El Capitan.

Thanks for keeping any news on this topic coming.
 
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Hey all,

Most of you probably saw this on MacRumors earlier this month, but just in case anyone missed it: there is an officially mac supported USB 3.1 / eSata combo PCIe card coming soon from CalDigit.

http://www.caldigit.com/USB-C/

Scroll down past the TB boxes to the PCIe card. Looks very promising, although it seems like OS X hasn't enabled true USB 3.1 (gen2) speeds yet in El Capitan.

Thanks for keeping any news on this topic coming.
Doesn't say whether it's the 5Gbit or 10Gbit version of 3.1 so probably gen1.
 

stmp

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Doesn't say whether it's the 5Gbit or 10Gbit version of 3.1 so probably gen1.


Yeah I wondered about that too, especially because their comparison chart makes no mention of Gen 1 vs Gen 2.

However, if you read the whole description of the PCIe card offering it does actually mention 10Gbit speeds:

"The FASTA-6GU3 Plus utilizes 10Gb/s USB 3.1 ports that are also compatible with USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 devices."
 
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Yeah I wondered about that too, especially because their comparison chart makes no mention of Gen 1 vs Gen 2.

However, if you read the whole description of the PCIe card offering it does actually mention 10Gbit speeds:

"The FASTA-6GU3 Plus utilizes 10Gb/s USB 3.1 ports that are also compatible with USB 3.0 and USB 2.0 devices."
We have spoken about that before. It's very dishonest or misinformed for any of these companies to say this when the OS won't support the chipset properly. Or in El Capitan's case devices won't even connect. They should provide the card's full specification including which chipset they are using instead of just a brief description and a pre-order button.
 
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stmp

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We have spoken about that before. It's very dishonest or misinformed for any of these companies to say this when the OS won't support the chipset properly. Or in El Capitan's case devices won't even connect. They should provide the card's full specification including which chipset they are using instead of just a brief description and a pre-order button.

Totally agree, and Caldigit confirmed that the external docks are USB 3.1 gen 1 since they are made for the Macbook with the Type C USB 3.1 gen 1 port. They didn't explicitly state that the PCIe is gen 2 other than their product page documentation.
 

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The card was still working as a USB 3 device until PB2, but a bit unstable. From PB3 onwards it was no longer possible to connect any USB devices.

I decided to drop El Capitan today and return to Yosemite. I'm surprised you got that speed. What drive did you attach?

I have a portable USB3.1 RAID0 there are 2x mSATA in it configured as RAID0
 
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I have a portable USB3.1 RAID0 there are 2x mSATA in it configured as RAID0
Please do let us know if any El Capitan update changes things. USB 3.1 should be coming to Macs imminently but I have no idea if they will implement full XHCI 1.1 or just enough to support the Intel Thunderbolt 3-USB driver.
 
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FireWire2

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Well this is a rumor only, no confirmation. NEC is sampling USB3.1 solution fully support 10.11.x. It's about 3~5 months away.
 

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I'm curious... what are the external RAID enclosures for USB 3.1? I have only found some 2x HDD or 2x SSD products.

Is the hope other enclosures with formats "compatible" with the 3.1 connection might be used?
 
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