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Yeah well it hasn't died. Even newly built apartment buildings now incorporate USB A ports in their plugin connections. And for me I have Studios and I use the USB A to USB B cable from my machine to my integrated amplifier for my high-end sound system. Plus for thumb drives.
Building codes and standards are extremely slow to be updated. Most contractors will use the cheapest possible components. These 2 factors lead to USB-A still being installed for charging. You can easily get sockets that have both A & C or just C, but again, contractors are cheap.

Modern thumb drives are also shifting to USB-C. Unfortunately people have 15-year old USB-A thumb drives kicking around that they want to still use, despite being USB2 or worse. At the very least, many new drives support both.
 
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I think the driving force for changing everything to USB-C will be the EU regulations. It also makes sense; how many times have you tried to plug in USB-A and it doesn't go in, so you flip it around and it still won't go in, then you flip it back to the first side and it finally goes in? EVERYONE has done this many, many times, which was part of the driving force to initially come up with a reversible connector. Unfortunately many manufacturers are slow to update existing product lines and manufacturing facilities or just want to burn through stockpiled old components -- wherever they can cut costs and maximize profit, they will.
 
If you have to use adaptors or dongles then you haven't really moved on from USB type A. USB type A just isn't as "in the past" as some people want it to be.

Ironically the only adaptor I use is to convert a USB A to C cable to be C on both ends. The mere exisitence of such cables is proof that both USB versions co-exist.
 
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Modern thumb drives are also shifting to USB-C.
Yes but my brand new Samsung OLED smart TV only has a USB-A "data traveler" port.....no USB-C.
So....as well as building codes being slow to update/change so are TVs. In my opinion going from USB-A to USB-C is no "update" but just adding another port.
 
If we replaced ethernet (why not use Thunderbolt 5? Didn't wifi replace it, too?) you wouldn't immediately remove it from computers on the grounds that it's "old".

WiFi and Ethernet address different use cases whereas USB-C and USB-A address the same ones and anyways, WiFi *did* replace Ethernet in all the places where it made sense. How often do you come across laptops with a built in Ethernet port these days?

It's like getting rid of gas stations because gas is the "old way" and electric is 'tHe FuTuRe' while 80% of the vehicles on the road are gas-powered.

We got rid of gas stations? Why didn't anyone tell me?
 
WiFi and Ethernet address different use cases whereas USB-C and USB-A address the same ones and anyways, WiFi *did* replace Ethernet in all the places where it made sense. How often do you come across laptops with a built in Ethernet port these days?
My year-old Lenovo laptop has a built-in Ethernet port. Though I do agree that USB-A and USB-C are interchangeable--and that USB-C can be used in place of A. BUT... there are still plenty of type-A devices. When all those are converted to type-C, THEN it would make sense to abolish type-A. That has not happened yet, and probably won't for another several years.
 
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Yeah, they require the plugging in to pair for Apple's keyboards and mice with Lightning or USB-C. Previous Apple accessories (that had AA batteries and no ports) have to be paired in the Bluetooth menu. But when Apple includes a keyboard and mouse in the box, those are pre-paired, which is only the iMac or Mac Pro these days, Mini and Studio have no included KB or mouse.

I may be misunderstanding your comment about pre-pairing, but my experience of current Apple mice and keyboards is that they will pair with any mac simply by plugging briefly into the mac. This has been my experience with three mice, two keyboards and a trackpad and several MBAs and MBPs. There is no pre-pairing involved…or are iMac and MacPro different from MBA/MBP so that they need pre-pairing by Apple?
 
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I may be misunderstanding your comment about pre-pairing, but my experience of current Apple mice and keyboards is that they will pair with any mac simply by plugging briefly into the mac. This has been my experience with three mice, two keyboards and a trackpad and several MBAs and MBPs. There is no pre-pairing involved…or are iMac and MacPro different from MBA/MBP so that they need pre-pairing by Apple?
The iMac and Mac Pro include keyboards and mice that work out of the box, paired already at the factory.
 
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Why would anyone want to use an outdated antiquated port that is senselessly left behind by USB C? I don’t understand any computer having, using or etc USB A. Anyone that has an old device that has USB A, could either buy an adapter or better yet a device that works better, provides more stability, and connects easier than the old standard that Apple abandoned almost nine years ago from MacBooks. It doesn’t make sense anywhere in computing. I am often frustrated by a hotel or airport that has a USB A connector. In my logic, I much prefer faster and universal over antiquated and outdated tech.
 
I get what you’re saying, but the cord that came with the scanner is only like 18 inches (which is terrible) so I figured I could kill two birds with one stone on this issue by getting a longer cord with USB-C on the end.
That’s the best part of the standard. I have a few devices like Mics and etc that came with USB A cables but were simply switched for less than $10 to USB C.
 
Why would anyone want to use an outdated antiquated port that is senselessly left behind by USB C? I don’t understand any computer having, using or etc USB A.
Because they don't care about the date. 'Antiquated' is just a label when for many people USB-A works about as well (and later versions are comparably fast) for what they do with equipment already bought, paid for and in service. It hasn't been left behind by USB-C...it's been joined by USB-C, which is very gradually supplanting it but that's a very drawn out process nowhere near complete. We're mainly talking about people who already have peripherals that use it, and prefer a direct connection to a dongle or having to use an adapter or buy a new cable. Given all the ire the MacBook notch and iPhone dynamic island bring, it's no surprise some people aren't big adapter fans.

That's not everyone's position, but it's one within reason. You can argue they can buy (money) and use adapters or converting cables, and they can argue if the thing had a USB-A port or two it might save some people some money and look a little better.

provides more stability
USB-A has been working fine and works as well for many people. USB-C is easier to plug in...something that with many peripherals is done rarely.

I am often frustrated by a hotel or airport that has a USB A connector. In my logic, I much prefer faster and universal over antiquated and outdated tech.
By your own example it's not universal. And later USB-A is comparably fast. And when using low demand peripherals, 'much faster' doesn't matter because they don't use it. People like convenience, and for many people, a couple of USB-A ports in a computer is more convenient.

I imagine most users looking for a new peripheral today would prefer a USB-C version.
 
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I think the driving force for changing everything to USB-C will be the EU regulations. It also makes sense; how many times have you tried to plug in USB-A and it doesn't go in, so you flip it around and it still won't go in, then you flip it back to the first side and it finally goes in? EVERYONE has done this many, many times
...and yet, still quicker than rummaging through the drawer to find an adapter or cable.

The real argument for USB-C when it comes to charging isn't the connector but the related USB power delivery standard which standardises fast charging and caters for higher-power devices like laptops.

WiFi *did* replace Ethernet in all the places where it made sense. How often do you come across laptops with a built in Ethernet port these days?
It's the "where it made sense" part that's relevant. Arguably it made sense on laptops - esp. MacBook Air-style systems which would have ended up needing some sort of "micro Ethernet" connector and a dongle anyhow. Whether it ever made sense to remove it from the MacBook Pro is an argument for another thread. WiFi and Ethernet co-existed happily on MacBooks for years - Ethernet on MacBooks was replaced by Thunderbolt and USB (+ ethernet dongles).

...which would be annoying and pointless on desktop Macs (this thread is about the Mini) even though Thunderbolt can replace Ethernet (either with an Ethernet dongle or using IP-over-Thunderbolt) having a dedicated Ethernet port on a desktop machine is still very useful to a lot of people.

USB-C and USB-A address the same ones and anyways
It's more complicated than that.

USB-C/TB ports are in demand for driving displays, docking stations, running 20Gbps+ devices and (on laptops) charging/power delivery. Plug a mouse, keyboard, scanner, printer, most webcams, most audio devices, MIDI devices or most low/mid-range storage devices into a TB port and you're blocking one of your machine's limited number of display/high-bandwidth I/O ports. In an ideal world, the solution would be simple: put lots of USB-C/TB ports on the machine so that doesn't matter. In practice fully-functional TB ports are expensive - both in terms of cost and in how many of the CPU & GPU's I/O lanes they tie up - along with 15W per-port potential power draw so the tendency has been to reduce the total number of ports available for anything - necessitating the use of more external hubs/docks to "break out" the functions of each TB port. This reduction in the number of USB ports of any type on desktops is the real problem.

The USB-A ports on the old Mini and Studio Max didn't come "at the expense" of a TB port - those systems already had the full complement of TB4 ports supported by the SoC. They were extra low/medium-bandwidth I/O ports that were useful to many people and didn't hurt. anybody else...

Now, to be fair, the (regular) M4 Mini doesn't have that problem: all it did was swap the USB-A ports for USB-3-only USB-C ports and add an extra TB4 port. I don't think using a USB-C-to-A dongle is a big deal on a desktop machine - although (a) nor would using a USB-A-to-C dongle in a USB-A port and (b) moving those ports to the front so cables/dongles etc, stick out over the desktop is a problem.

However, in the bigger picture, the M4 Pro Mini is down a TB port c.f. the M2 Pro Mini, and while it's nice that even the base M4 Mini now has 3 TB ports, it's clear that the M4 chip can support 4 TB4 (and the 10 core iMac does) - so where's the missing TB port on the new Minis? Now, maybe there is some technical reason (maybe the HDMI port and/or Ethernet is now 'eating' a TB4) - but that's hard to buy since the iMac has 4xTB4 and a high-def internal display, webcam, microphones, Ethernet etc. So it looks like Apple is still playing "artificial scarcity" with USB ports.
 
Paddle postulates in #128:
"If you have to use adaptors or dongles then you haven't really moved on from USB type A. USB type A just isn't as "in the past" as some people want it to be."

Agree.
More than half the external devices I have are USBa.
I'll keep using them so long as they keep working.

A dongle here... a dongle there... whatever works.

Re the comment about CD drives...
A friend gave me the DVD/CD drive from an old MacBook Pro.
I found an external enclosure on ebay and revived it:
Assembled.JPG

Still works!
 
Or they could just include a couple of the most popular port in use like the Studio, Pro, and just about every PC on the market even today. Not unreasonable for a desktop that you make these connections once and leave it until you replace either the computer or the peripheral. If you're using the little adapters you're still using USB-A anyways :p
That's not how it works. The sooner the port disappears, the sooner the long process of weeding out USB-A can progress. It's a slow, unidirectional port that's been superceded and is weeded out of Apple's consumer machines (and probably soon the pro tier as well). The interrim solution is to use adapters or docks, and/or replace cables as appropriate. Or I guess go out and buy some PC that has USB-A ports and enjoy that experience.
 
The point is calling something "old" is not an argument. The question is whether or not it's still used and useful.

If we replaced ethernet (why not use Thunderbolt 5? Didn't wifi replace it, too?) you wouldn't immediately remove it from computers on the grounds that it's "old".

USB-A still accounts for the majority of devices out there, by far, including many new ones. That alone makes it not obsolete except for by decree by those who simply claim it so.

It's like getting rid of gas stations because gas is the "old way" and electric is 'tHe FuTuRe' while 80% of the vehicles on the road are gas-powered.

Rather comically, the iphone 15 and 16 (non-pro) use USB 2 speeds on their USB-C ports. :p
Removing the USB-A connector does not remove any functionality. It’s quite simple and very inexpensive to use new cables or converters. Software-wise, the connector is no problem; USB is USB no matter which connector you use.

Apple has migrated their entire ecosystem to USB-C and the computing industry is doing the same. As someone who travels frequently, it is so much nicer to have all of my devices use the same connector. I usually travel with Bose headphones, AirPods, and Apple Watch, phone, iPad and sometimes my MacBook Pro and my Canon camera. ALL of these devices use USB-C, although the watch needs that special magnetic USB-C cable. At home I have a dock with a USB-A for when I use an old memory stick and for my keyboard/mouse receiver.
 
And while they’re at it, why did they remove both the lightning port and the 30 pin dock connector from the iPhone?
It obviously can have all three, come on now.
In fact, throw in fire wire 400 from the first two generations of the iPod while they are at it…
 
Or I guess go out and buy some PC that has USB-A ports and enjoy that experience.

This. Really people, if you can't be bothered to buy simple adapters that cost less than a cup of coffee, just refuse to buy anything that doesn't include USB-A ports. Vote with your pocketbook.

As someone who travels frequently, it is so much nicer to have all of my devices use the same connector.

Being able to charge my camera battery with the same USB-C cable I use to charge my phone is one of the best things to ever happen to me. It saved me one time when I realized I left my fully charged second camera battery on my desk and only had half a charge in my camera. In between shoots, I just connected the small power bank I carry for my phone to my camera with the USB-C cable I always carry in my bag.
 
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Really people, if you can't be bothered to buy simple adapters that cost less than a cup of coffee, just refuse to buy anything that doesn't include USB-A ports.

Being able to charge my camera battery with the same USB-C cable I use to charge my phone is one of the best things to ever happen to me.
Taken together, these 2 statements bring out a common theme here...people tend to more greatly value their own convenience.

For someone else to express bother over having to buy and use 'simple adapters' might seem petty and silly. But for you to be able to charge both your gadgets with that one cable, instead of bothering to grab a 2nd cable you already had, why, that's one of the best things to ever happen to you!

Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit. This old adage from a Murphy's Law poster I had in college was one of the most deeply insightful lessons in human nature I ever had.
 
Where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit. This old adage from a Murphy's Law poster I had in college was one of the most deeply insightful lessons in human nature I ever had.

I'm just expressing my preferences. You are doing exactly the same. Vote with your pocketbook.
 
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