Other USB-C iPhone: The Ugly Truth

[ninecows]

The real gripe is the transfer speeds, not just the cable type itself. Content creators offloading large files on iPhones are the ones who have these issue mainly, which is why it is likely a non issue for you.

There's a myth that USB-C will bring with it USB 3.0 transfer speeds. As the OP pointed out, Lightning was already capable of that but capped on the iPhone (but not the 2017 iPad), and it's also capped on the entry level iPad with USB-C to USB 2.0 speeds.

Well… out of the large group of iPhone users I think content creators are a very loud and very small minority. And the pro content creators are not likely to use an iPhone as main video recorder anyway. So that’s why transfer speeds doesn’t really matter. I can’t remember when/if I used the port for anything else than charging


Edit: I can see that iOS decided that I was trying to write “concern creators” instead of “content creators”. Even though it’s a pretty fun typo I decided to correct it 😂

 

[gpat]

Tbh, I’d be mad if they went to USB 3 rather than 4 at this point.

USB3 for iPhone 15 (possibly Pro only)
USB4 for iPhone 16 (possibly Pro only)
USB2 for first eligible iPhone SE
We all know it's going to be like that.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

I know everyone is riding on a high because top level Apple executives confirm that they have to comply with the new European law and switch the iPhone over to USB-C within the next two years, most likely in next year's iPhone 15 series.


But I’ve seen a lot of people make some assumptions about this change that I don't think are going to be quite accurate, and I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening when it happens.


SPEED


Let’s start by busting a myth, Lightning is not restricted to USB 2.0 speeds.


The iPhone is restricted to USB 2.0 speeds, Lightning is not.


The iPad Pro from 2017 had a Lightning port on it, and that Lightning port supported USB 3.0 speeds.


If Apple wanted the iPhone to have faster transfer speeds, they could’ve done it.


They could’ve done it in 2017 alongside the iPad, but they didn’t.


They could’ve did it when they introduced Pro-res and Raw support, but they didn’t.


They could’ve done it when they introduced 1TB iPhones, but they didn’t.


They could’ve done it when they introduced a 48 Megapixel camera, but they didn’t.


It’s not a restriction of the port, it’s a deliberate choice on Apple’s part to keep the iPhone at USB 2.0 transfer speeds.


In fact, this was proven just this week.


Apple introduced the tenth generation iPad.


It has a USB-C port.


And Wouldn’t you know it…


https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/27/ipad-10-slower-usb-c-port/


That’s right, USB-C, but 2.0 transfer speeds.


And I absolutely expect the iPhone 15 to follow the trend.


Maybe, MAYBE the iPhone 15Pro and Pro Max, or just the Pro Max get slightly faster speeds.


But if you are expecting to get a new iPhone next year that goes from 2.0 speeds up to whatever the latest thunderbolt protocol is, I don't think that's going to happen.


Apple, for whatever dumb reason they have, thinks the transfer speed of the iPhone doesn’t need to go past 2.0.


I don’t agree, but I’m also not stupid.


I don’t think a forced port switch will change their minds.


Which brings us to another aspect…


CHARGING SPEEDS


The iPhone has slowly increased its charging speed, from 18W, to 20W, most recently to 27W.


I fully expect that to continue.


Anyone expecting the change to USB-C will force Apple to allow 35W, 45W, 60W+ charging I think will be very mistaken.


I fully expect them to keep the fast charging speed at 27W, or if there is an increase it will be very small.


COMPATIBILITY


Apple has this pop-up in iOS, it sounds a little something like this:


“This accessory cannot be verified.”


There’s more to it but you get the point.


I fully expect this pop-up to quickly become very common when people pick up their new iPhones, stick some $1.50 USB-C cable that came with some random gadget into their iPhone and it doesn’t like it.


I fully expect Apple to do everything in their power to make sure you are using their USB-C cables, and only their USB-C cables.


BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH LIGHTNING PRODUCTS


I’ve already seen people predicting that Apple will ship a Lightning (male) to USB-C (female) adapter in the box of the iPhone 15.


THEY ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT!


They’ll be more than happy to sell you one for $10-20, but include one?


They didn’t do it when 30 pin became Lightning, they didn’t do it when the MacBooks switched from MagSafe 2 to USB-C, they didn’t do it with any of the iPads, they absolutely will not do it with the iPhone.


I wouldn’t even be surprised if by 2025 they just… don’t ship a cable at all.


The new Apple Siri Remote has USB-C, and guess what?


It does not come with a cable.








Other than all that, yeah it’s going to be a lot of fun. Can’t wait for the next three+ years of confusion.





Disclaimer


Although I disagree with governments getting involved in things like this, I do think Apple switching to USB-C on all of their devices is the right thing to do and will benefit everyone in the long run. I’ve just seen people runaway with theories about how great it will be, and wanted to give my perspective as a skeptic.

Does you keyboard have a return button attached to the full stop? Very large spaces between your sentences for some reason.

 

[TechnoMonk]

I don’t think this is true. USB-C works just fine with CarPlay. I actually use USB-C with Carplay, crazy right? But I have a wireless Carplay adapter, it has a USB-C on it, it literally has no problem being used with Carplay. As far as I know, it‘s all just USB protocol underneath, and any cable that supports USB 2.0 is good enough for Carplay or Android Auto. The issue with cables could be things like interference, no shielding, no grounding, bad wiring, broken wiring, or with Lightning if it’s not certified it might not work with the iPhone properly because it’s not up to Apple’s spec.

In addition, most systems adapt to Android Auto with USB-C just fine.

USB-C cables, on the other hand, just work across many different devices. The main issue is when they’re not wired according to spec. That could be a problem, Benson Leung blogged years ago about cables not being wired correctly. But if you buy cables from reputable stores it’s not an issue any more, the issue was when you bought a cable from Amazon and like 90% of them weren’t wired to spec. That isn‘t the case any more, Amazon cracked down on the bad cables.

You could see Apple just have a support doc that says “buy this cable from our store” (they sell them already) to use Carplay with USB-C properly, or just find it from your local reputable store. Really shouldn’t be more of an issue then, say replacing a 30 pin cable with USB-A on the other end with a Lightning cable with USB-A. Which we went through 10 years ago.

Also if there is a USB-C iPhone, it’s for the whole world. Has there ever been an Apple product with a different port for one market? I can’t think of any. Only one that’s close I guess is the iPhone 14 having no SIM in the US. But by that analogy they would have an iPhone with no port whatsoever and just Magsafe charging. That would be far worse for Carplay because you would need to use an adapter, quite like mine, to convert to wireless Carplay, but not every car plays well with wireless Carplay adapters.

Luckily, you have a USB-C port in the car. I wish it would be as simple as buying this specific cable from a store. The USB A-USB C appears to be a common issue with Pixel 6 and other USB-C Android phones. Google officially recommends changing your car's wiring from the unit's head to the body in the glove box.

Here is one of the threads, the problem with Mercedes, USB A to USBC, android auto. Samsung USB A - USB C connector seems to work the best for some.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pixel6/comments/qnj488
Pitchforks will be out if Apple recommends rewiring your car (The manufacturers’ fault for not using certified connectors) or forcing you to buy an extra 20-30$ USB A to USB C cable. If Millions of car play drivers are forced to buy Extra cables, I don't see how it is environmentally friendly.

Moving from 30 pin connector to Lightning was a lot easier; iPhones had audio jacks, cars had auxiliary ports, and car play was not a big factor. I am all for innovation but not for forced changes by the government. It may not be an issue in 4 or 5 years, with most cars moving to USB C ports.

Apple has to consider more than folks carrying an extra cable or speeds. The USB C for iPad or Mac isn't a big deal,they dont have to connect to other devices in Cars, or Planes or Hotels.

 

[gpat]

Luckily, you have a USB-C port in the car. I wish it would be as simple as buying this specific cable from a store. The USB A-USB C appears to be a common issue with Pixel 6 and other USB-C Android phones. Google officially recommends changing your car's wiring from the unit's head to the body in the glove box.

Here is one of the threads, the problem with Mercedes, USB A to USBC, android auto. Samsung USB A - USB C connector seems to work the best for some.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pixel6/comments/qnj488
Pitchforks will be out if Apple recommends rewiring your car (The manufacturers’ fault for not using certified connectors) or forcing you to buy an extra 20-30$ USB A to USB C cable. If Millions of car play drivers are forced to buy Extra cables, I don't see how it is environmentally friendly.

Moving from 30 pin connector to Lightning was a lot easier; iPhones had audio jacks, cars had auxiliary ports, and car play was not a big factor. I am all for innovation but not for forced changes by the government. It may not be an issue in 4 or 5 years, with most cars moving to USB C ports.

Apple has to consider more than folks carrying an extra cable or speeds. The USB C for iPad or Mac isn't a big deal,they dont have to connect to other devices in Cars, or Planes or Hotels.

In those cases it's more of an issue of the user buying crappy cables.
Just like now you can buy uncertified Lightning cables, good for slow charging and not much else.
It's not a car manufacturer issue, if they included the Android Auto functionality, having a good USB port is part of the requirement.

 

[davedvdy]

Well… out of the large group of iPhone users I think concern creators are a very loud and very small minority. And the pro content creators are not likely to use an iPhone as main video recorder anyway. So that’s why transfer speeds doesn’t really matter. I can’t remember when/if I used the port for anything else than charging

There still are plenty of content creators that do use iPhones for some of these purposes. I have friends that do actually want faster transfer speeds. No clue how many of these types make up the iPhone base but they want to take advantage of faster transfer speeds.
Whether it's professional or not, Apple is pushing
ProRaw and ProRes formats, but they would be best utilized with faster transfer speeds.

"A five-minute 4K ProRes video clip at 6GB per minute will be roughly 30GB. At that rate, it could take you 8 minutes to transfer that much data over a Lightning cable".

"How fast is USB 3.2? The theoretical upper limit for Generation 1 is 4.8Gbps or 600 megabytes per second (MB/s). USB 3.2 Gen 2 is 10Gbps, and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is 20Gbps. And USB 4/Thunderbolt 3? 40Gbps or 5000 megabytes per second, an over 80 times increase over USB 2.0 transfer rates. "

https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphon...sor-same-slow-lightning-cable-data-transfers/

 

[magicMac]

Not too fussed about fast charging and fast data transfer. USB-C 2.0 on iPhone suites me fine as long as I can plug in the same USB-C headphones that I use on iPad and desktop. Wireless headphones are not for everyone, don’t like how they’re forced down our throat.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Why do you think Apple is limiting speeds to 2.0?

Whenever Apple limits a feature/spec through omission of hardware or “artificially” via software, it’s

A. Because they want you to buy a more expensive model of the same product, like an iPad Air or Pro instead of an iPad 10th Gen.

B. Because they want you to get another product from a completely different line of products. That’s why we’re never getting MacOS or Final Cut, Logic, etc., on iPads, and never will get Macs with Touch or Pencil support. Also why AirPods will never get health features, and if so only to be “unlocked” if you pair with a Watch (and iPhone, of course).

C. They want to make the model you buy now feel “obsolete” when a future iteration drops: Apple plans out products and specs many years in advance to make sure there’s always plenty of reasons to upgrade.

In conclusion, Apple kept Lighting USB 2.0 because they don’t want you to use it like you would an iPad Pro or Mac. You’re not supposed to have the contemporary transfer speeds and easily manipulate and move files as you would on a Mac or iPad(iPad still very limited despite contemporary files transfer speeds).

It’s an easy way to “force” you to get more Apple devices.

 

[leman]

OP is correct that moving to USB-C is unlikely to change the capabilities of the connector. But I fail to understand what’s “ugly” about that or why it warrants such a long rant. Everything will work exactly like it works now, just with a cable that’s also compatible with the rest of Apple products and other devices.

As to the rest, I call BS in claims “Apple will make you use their specific cables”. Apple never did this, they always followed the USB specification precisely and implemented things in standard-confirm manner. We are not dealing with Android makers here who like to introduce their own proprietary charging protocols. Apple with just use regular USB-PD.

Wrt to faster charging, this has been discussed to oblivion… faster charging is a marketing gimmick and results in faster battery degradation. When phone makers claim xxxxx cycles capabilities on their batteries they do not use fast charging.

 

[AlexESP]

In conclusion, Apple kept Lighting USB 2.0 because they don’t want you to use it like you would an iPad Pro or Mac. You’re not supposed to have the contemporary transfer speeds and incentives to easily manipulate and move files as you would on a Mac or iPad(iPad still very limited despite contemporary files transfer speeds).

It’s an easy way to “force” you to get more Apple devices.

To be honest, what a ridiculous argument. They‘re not even similar device categories, no one* is deciding whether to buy an iPhone OR an iPad. What’s the next conspiracy? Apple is limiting the Watch so that you don’t buy an iPad?

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

There still are plenty of content creators that do use iPhones for some of these purposes. I have friends that do actually want faster transfer speeds. No clue how many of these types make up the iPhone base but they want to take advantage of faster transfer speeds.
Whether it's professional or not, Apple is pushing
ProRaw and ProRes formats, but they would be best utilized with faster transfer speeds.

"A five-minute 4K ProRes video clip at 6GB per minute will be roughly 30GB. At that rate, it could take you 8 minutes to transfer that much data over a Lightning cable".

"How fast is USB 3.2? The theoretical upper limit for Generation 1 is 4.8Gbps or 600 megabytes per second (MB/s). USB 3.2 Gen 2 is 10Gbps, and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 is 20Gbps. And USB 4/Thunderbolt 3? 40Gbps or 5000 megabytes per second, an over 80 times increase over USB 2.0 transfer rates. "

https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphon...sor-same-slow-lightning-cable-data-transfers/

Exactly. Many people in media, traditional and social media(content creators), rely on smartphones to record stuff on the fly, when there’s a candid moment happening and you simply can’t set up cameras or would ruin the moment by doing so.

iPhones are great for that. Just not when you end up with 100s of GBs of footage and need to get them into Final Cut in a hurry.

Relying on Wi-Fi for this is acceptable. But why can’t we have both options, great wifi and market leading wired transfer speeds from iPhones? Why can’t I have both on a Pro iPhone?

The most frustrating thing I’ve come across on MR over the years is this “who cares, no average person needs this” argument.

If nobody wants or needs ProRes then Apple shouldn’t promote it or put it in its products to begin with.

It’s the “jet engine in a mini cooper” that we also get with iPads.

Why put 8GB+ RAM and M1/M2 chips in them if you’re not letting them run Final Cut or MacOS?

Apple needs to double down on iPhones Pro being for casuals who just want that luxury finish and quit doing all these genuinely pro features if it’s just going to keep half-assing them with arbitrary limitations.

 

[Unami]

I hope Apple makes a separate USB-C iPhone for the EU. I am sure I won’t be tinkering with a USB A car play connection in my 3-year-old 70K car. The car is pretty much the only place I connect my phone.
I spend 100-150 nights a year on the road, cables and USB 3.0 speeds have never been an issue. A wireless charging pad with a USB port does the trick to charge my phone and AirPods Pro wirelessly. The USB port keeps my AW6 charged. I like this setup on the road and do not worry about cables, except for my AW6.

I usually drive if the destination is under 4-5 hours in the post-Covid world. A 95W USB charger in the Car is good enough to keep MacBook Pro 16 M1 Max juiced up as needed. The car play port for the phone works great.

There will be a lot of pissed-off car play users if Apple moves to USB C. Most cars don’t have adequate space to put dongles. Last but not least, anecdotally, most folks who complain about carrying cables travel maybe a couple of times a year. Frequent travelers usually have a good set up to handle the travel.

Do you have the cable fixed to your radio. I only know car play via an usb-port, where plug in any vable you like - but my car is way below 70k...

One thing that will probably happen, though, is the usb-c connector ruining the port through vibrations while driving.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

To be honest, what a ridiculous argument. They‘re not even similar device categories, no one* is deciding whether to buy an iPhone OR an iPad. What’s the next conspiracy? Apple is limiting the Watch so that you don’t buy an iPad?

Why can’t I pair an Apple Watch with an iPad?

Why can’t I setup and use an Apple Watch without an iPhone or using a non-Apple smartphone?

Why can’t an iPad with a sim card have a phone number and take calls independently, without owning an iPhone despite it being 1/1 just a big iPhone?

Why can’t I use Apple Pencil on iPhones despite it being nothing but a small iPad?

Why can’t I draw on an iPad Air using Apple Pencil 1st Gen but I can’t draw on iPad 10th Gen with Pencil 2nd Gen despite the two being the exact same device with different specs(not talking about charging, I’m talking about device input)?

I think you might want to study the subject of product segmentation before you accuse someone of believing in conspiracy theories.

Product segmentation is Apple’s bread and butter.

-And, no, it’s not about getting users to decide whether to buy an iPad or an iPhone. That doesn’t matter.

It’s about getting you to buy either first, realize the many limitations the product always has, get frustrated by the limitations and then purchase more Apple devices.

 

[teh_hunterer]

I know everyone is riding on a high because top level Apple executives confirm that they have to comply with the new European law and switch the iPhone over to USB-C within the next two years, most likely in next year's iPhone 15 series.


But I’ve seen a lot of people make some assumptions about this change that I don't think are going to be quite accurate, and I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening when it happens.


SPEED


Let’s start by busting a myth, Lightning is not restricted to USB 2.0 speeds.


The iPhone is restricted to USB 2.0 speeds, Lightning is not.


The iPad Pro from 2017 had a Lightning port on it, and that Lightning port supported USB 3.0 speeds.


If Apple wanted the iPhone to have faster transfer speeds, they could’ve done it.


They could’ve done it in 2017 alongside the iPad, but they didn’t.


They could’ve did it when they introduced Pro-res and Raw support, but they didn’t.


They could’ve done it when they introduced 1TB iPhones, but they didn’t.


They could’ve done it when they introduced a 48 Megapixel camera, but they didn’t.


It’s not a restriction of the port, it’s a deliberate choice on Apple’s part to keep the iPhone at USB 2.0 transfer speeds.


In fact, this was proven just this week.


Apple introduced the tenth generation iPad.


It has a USB-C port.


And Wouldn’t you know it…


https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/27/ipad-10-slower-usb-c-port/


That’s right, USB-C, but 2.0 transfer speeds.


And I absolutely expect the iPhone 15 to follow the trend.


Maybe, MAYBE the iPhone 15Pro and Pro Max, or just the Pro Max get slightly faster speeds.


But if you are expecting to get a new iPhone next year that goes from 2.0 speeds up to whatever the latest thunderbolt protocol is, I don't think that's going to happen.


Apple, for whatever dumb reason they have, thinks the transfer speed of the iPhone doesn’t need to go past 2.0.


I don’t agree, but I’m also not stupid.


I don’t think a forced port switch will change their minds.


Which brings us to another aspect…


CHARGING SPEEDS


The iPhone has slowly increased its charging speed, from 18W, to 20W, most recently to 27W.


I fully expect that to continue.


Anyone expecting the change to USB-C will force Apple to allow 35W, 45W, 60W+ charging I think will be very mistaken.


I fully expect them to keep the fast charging speed at 27W, or if there is an increase it will be very small.


COMPATIBILITY


Apple has this pop-up in iOS, it sounds a little something like this:


“This accessory cannot be verified.”


There’s more to it but you get the point.


I fully expect this pop-up to quickly become very common when people pick up their new iPhones, stick some $1.50 USB-C cable that came with some random gadget into their iPhone and it doesn’t like it.


I fully expect Apple to do everything in their power to make sure you are using their USB-C cables, and only their USB-C cables.


BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY WITH LIGHTNING PRODUCTS


I’ve already seen people predicting that Apple will ship a Lightning (male) to USB-C (female) adapter in the box of the iPhone 15.


THEY ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT!


They’ll be more than happy to sell you one for $10-20, but include one?


They didn’t do it when 30 pin became Lightning, they didn’t do it when the MacBooks switched from MagSafe 2 to USB-C, they didn’t do it with any of the iPads, they absolutely will not do it with the iPhone.


I wouldn’t even be surprised if by 2025 they just… don’t ship a cable at all.


The new Apple Siri Remote has USB-C, and guess what?


It does not come with a cable.








Other than all that, yeah it’s going to be a lot of fun. Can’t wait for the next three+ years of confusion.





Disclaimer


Although I disagree with governments getting involved in things like this, I do think Apple switching to USB-C on all of their devices is the right thing to do and will benefit everyone in the long run. I’ve just seen people runaway with theories about how great it will be, and wanted to give my perspective as a skeptic.

Learn to write.

 

[4389842]

So called ‘creators’ can just offload their media through photos or Files, Dropbox or any other equivalent. Who cares about the cable…

 

[MayaUser]

Expect at least usb2.0 speed for the iphone 15 and maybe, hopefully usb3 speed for the iphone 15 pro
at this point airdrop is much better and the future is inductive/magsafe charging
And thats IF apple goes usbC since they dont have to...they have 3 choices under the EU laws- bring usbC connector, bring the port-less iphone or bring a better starndard connector that can be the size of the current lightning

 

[Superhai]

The assumption is a third-party USB A to USB C cable will work. Initially, I used a third-party Lightning cable; the system in the car was not reliable. The service engineer recommended using the original apple cable, as it was a pretty common issue with third-party cables. Never had any issues after moving to the Apple Lightening cable. Unless Apple manufactures and ships a USB A to USB C, I don't have lot of confidence in those third-party cables. Not to mention compatibility issues of older Systems in the cars.

Apple don’t ship USB-A to Lightning cables in today’s iPhones and their chargers are all USB-C. There are perfectly good USB-A to USB-C cables out there, just don’t buy the most flimsy one. Getting rid of USB-A is more a wet dream for Apple than being able to stay on Lightning.

 

[AlexESP]

Why can’t I pair an Apple Watch with an iPad?

Why can’t I setup and use an Apple Watch without an iPhone or using a non-Apple smartphone?

Why can’t an iPad with a sim card have a phone number and take calls independently, without owning an iPhone despite it being 1/1 just a big iPhone?

Why can’t I use Apple Pencil on iPhones despite it being nothing but a small iPad?

Why can’t I draw on an iPad Air using Apple Pencil 1st Gen but I can’t draw on iPad 10th Gen with Pencil 2nd Gen despite the two being the exact same device with different specs(not talking about charging, I’m talking about device input)?

I think you might want to study the subject of product segmentation before you accuse someone of believing in conspiracy theories.

Product segmentation is Apple’s bread and butter.

-And, no, it’s not about getting users to decide whether to buy an iPad or an iPhone. That doesn’t matter.

It’s about getting you to buy either first, realize the many limitations the product always has, get frustrated by the limitations and then purchase more Apple devices.

Apple is a company that, thankfully, has a lot of focus with their products. You have dozens of products in the market that do what you ask for, they implement everything just because it’s technically possible, and you know what? They fail, or at least, are way less successful than Apple’s alternatives. You speak as if Apple lived in an isolated world… if a pencil on a phone provided a good experience, they would be eaten by Samsung. Their last problem would be canibalising iPad sales. Because product segmentation occurs within one lineup, not across completely different categories.

Maybe ask yourself how surprising it is that even if “the iPhone is limited because they want you to buy an iPad”, it’s way more successful than any other phone that does everything you ask for. Ask yourself why the “held back by software so that you have to buy a Mac” iPad is way more successful than any Surface-like tablet in the market. Maybe it’s because the key to create a good product is not implementing everything just because you can. The correct way to design a product is not “why can’t”, but “why should”.

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

So called ‘creators’ can just offload their media through photos or Files, Dropbox or any other equivalent. Who cares about the cable…

You’ve clearly never worked with big media files and deadlines, and the highly inconsistent nature of transferring hundreds of GBs of files wirelessly.

And I don’t get this “either or” argument that all of you defending Apple always propose -Why can we not have both, great WiFi options for those that don’t need the speed and reliability of wires and high speed wired transfer for those that need it?

Why can we not have both?

Yes, the one option “wireless is good enough for all” fits for mid tier and SE iPhones.

But for iPhones Pro, with their hefty camera array and ProRes capabilities? The same options as mid tier and low end?

 

[ApplesAreSweet&Sour]

Apple is a company that, thankfully, has a lot of focus with their products. You have dozens of products in the market that do what you ask for, they implement everything just because it’s technically possible, and you know what? They fail, or at least, are way less successful than Apple’s alternatives. You speak as if Apple lived in an isolated world… if a pencil on a phone provided a good experience, they would be eaten by Samsung. Their last problem would be canibalising iPad sales. Because product segmentation occurs within one lineup, not across completely different categories.

Maybe ask yourself how surprising it is that even if “the iPhone is limited because they want you to buy an iPad”, it’s way more successful than any other phone that does everything you ask for. Ask yourself why the “held back by software so that you have to buy a Mac” iPad is way more successful than any Surface-like tablet in the market. Maybe it’s because the key to create a good product is not implementing everything just because you can. The correct way to design a product is not “why can’t”, but “why should”.

The reasons that you cannot use an Apple Watch without owning an iPhone are completely real and technical. 🥹

As are the reasons for giving iPads cellular but can’t do calls unless you own an iPhone, but you can forward calls to an iPad if you own an iPhone. iPads would be terrible if you could make regular phone calls on them. Ugh, that big screen for typing in the phone number? I’d rather be dead! 😄

And iPad 10 would have been a terrible experience with 2nd Gen Pencil. The new cable adapter dongle is peak user friendliness and giving the best user experience, totally not about pushing you to get a more expensive model. 😁

Sure, all very technical, done to give the best products and very legitimate. Sure. It’s the best solution. Apple only sells amazing products.

And consumers would hate more than USB 2.0 transfer speeds on iPhones. Unnecessary and terrible.

Wow.

You know their PR better than they do! 👏😆

And you’re literally arguing against your own best interests and applauding Apple for their anti-consumer practices.

But you’re right. What sells well under capitalism is a success and nothing else matters.

Don’t complain, just buy the next new thing. Only losers and poor people complain.

I can’t make this stuff up! 😂

 

[jaytv111]

Luckily, you have a USB-C port in the car. I wish it would be as simple as buying this specific cable from a store. The USB A-USB C appears to be a common issue with Pixel 6 and other USB-C Android phones. Google officially recommends changing your car's wiring from the unit's head to the body in the glove box.

Here is one of the threads, the problem with Mercedes, USB A to USBC, android auto. Samsung USB A - USB C connector seems to work the best for some.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pixel6/comments/qnj488
Pitchforks will be out if Apple recommends rewiring your car (The manufacturers’ fault for not using certified connectors) or forcing you to buy an extra 20-30$ USB A to USB C cable. If Millions of car play drivers are forced to buy Extra cables, I don't see how it is environmentally friendly.

Moving from 30 pin connector to Lightning was a lot easier; iPhones had audio jacks, cars had auxiliary ports, and car play was not a big factor. I am all for innovation but not for forced changes by the government. It may not be an issue in 4 or 5 years, with most cars moving to USB C ports.

Apple has to consider more than folks carrying an extra cable or speeds. The USB C for iPad or Mac isn't a big deal,they dont have to connect to other devices in Cars, or Planes or Hotels.

No, my car has a USB-A port.

I don’t know the specifics of the Pixel case, but my mother has a Galaxy S9 and it works with Android Auto with any cable we throw at it, USB-A to USB-C. Very likely it’s the car manufacturer‘s fault if you can’t get many cables working, because these things are standardized. It would be like if you plugged in a USB mouse or keyboard and it didn’t work on a computer, someone is at fault (computer or device), but the standard itself works fine and many devices are known to work properly.

 

[Paddle1]

Lightning's "USB 3.0 support" wasn't true USB 3.0 support. It basically used gimmicks to achieve these speeds, and only supported certain devices because they used both sides of the port individually rather than using them in duplicated pairs like standard Lightning ports do. This meant that it wasn't going to be fully compatible with most existing Lightning cables and devices, and was also bad for the overall reliability of the port (meaning that only one pin had to fail for the port to experience problems, rather than both pins together).

I'm not saying these are issues Apple couldn't have worked around (clearly USB managed to find a way, so Apple could have also). But their "USB 3.0 Lightning" port was a gimmick from the beginning, it hadn't actually solved any of the core problems with the port or the protocol. In the vast majority of circumstances, it wasn't a true USB-3.0-speed port.

I was going to say the same thing. The OP's statement about Lightning's speed not being a physical limitation is false. This piece of information alone destabilizes their whole theory.

It's a little funny when people try to "guess" all the horrible Apple-y things they will do when they implement USB-C as if it's not already on literally every other product line. The semi-reasonable one is 2.0 speeds on the iPad 10, but that product is likely much more in line with the iPhone SE than an iPhone 15. As for no included dongle I don't really care much either way, it'll likely be available if wanted. In the end we're not really off any worse.

 

[ninecows]

You’ve clearly never worked with big media files and deadlines, and the highly inconsistent nature of transferring hundreds of GBs of files wirelessly.

And I don’t get this “either or” argument that all of you defending Apple always propose -Why can we not have both, great WiFi options for those that don’t need the speed and reliability of wires and high speed wired transfer for those that need it?

Why can we not have both?

Yes, the one option “wireless is good enough for all” fits for mid tier and SE iPhones.

But for iPhones Pro, with their hefty camera array and ProRes capabilities? The same options as mid tier and low end?

Me thinks that there are many non-pro’s that is buying the pro. Not because they consider them self pro’s. Just because they need the things that are in the pro.

That apple puts the pro label on doesn’t make either the user pro or the gadget suitable for real pro’s.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Does you keyboard have a return button attached to the full stop? Very large spaces between your sentences for some reason.

Nope, everything was normal until I hit post.
MR just has a trash formatter that doesn't keep the same formatting as what is typed.
Sorry about that

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

Lightning's "USB 3.0 support" wasn't true USB 3.0 support. It basically used gimmicks to achieve these speeds, and only supported certain devices because they used both sides of the port individually rather than using them in duplicated pairs like standard Lightning ports do. This meant that it wasn't going to be fully compatible with most existing Lightning cables and devices, and was also bad for the overall reliability of the port (meaning that only one pin had to fail for the port to experience problems, rather than both pins together).

I'm not saying these are issues Apple couldn't have worked around (clearly USB managed to find a way, so Apple could have also). But their "USB 3.0 Lightning" port was a gimmick from the beginning, it hadn't actually solved any of the core problems with the port or the protocol. In the vast majority of circumstances, it wasn't a true USB-3.0-speed port.

Even if that’s the case, it doesn’t change the fact that USB-C is not equal to faster speeds