Very disappointed

[Brittany246]

The Nexus isn't a better phone in my opinion. I'm not sure why you stated that as if it's a fact. There's way more to a phone than just specs. For what I use my phone for, the iPhone is best. I could not care less about crazy customization or widgets. I have a Nexus 7, and I don't even look at the widgets on my screen. The only thing the Nexus has that I want is NFC and a larger screen. That's about it.

I use a lot of apps, and the app selection is better in the itunes app store (especially with games). Also, setting up a brand new iPhone exactly the way you want it is as easy as logging into iCloud, and app progress is the same as on your old phone. Things are just way easier with iOS. You don't have to waste time getting things to work well... they just do.

 

[juswest]

The Nexus isn't a better phone in my opinion. I'm not sure why you stated that as if it's a fact. There's way more to a phone than just specs. For what I use my phone for, the iPhone is best. I could not care less about crazy customization or widgets. I have a Nexus 7, and I don't even look at the widgets on my screen. The only thing the Nexus has that I want is NFC and a larger screen. That's about it.

I use a lot of apps, and the app selection is better in the itunes app store (especially with games). Also, setting up a brand new iPhone exactly the way you want it is as easy as logging into iCloud, and app progress is the same as on your old phone. Things are just way easier with iOS. You don't have to waste time getting things to work well... they just do.

People have really got to stop using this ridiculous line. I bought a Moto X, and within minutes had all my old stuff on the phone. It just worked. If you prefer iOS fine, but stop making it seem like other phones take advanced physics equations to work. If so nobody would own anything other than an iPhone.

 

[syd430]

Not sure what all the confusion is. As the OP has pointed out, the only reason anyone would buy a 5S is because the buyer is psychologically disturbed. Clearly OP has applied the universally accepted Phone Goodness Scale© and found that the Nexus 4 has a score of 10,000 Goodness Per Inch, whereas the iPhone 5S comes in at a paltry 200 Goodness Per Inch. This proves that the Nexus 4 is scientifically better than the iPhone 5S, making any purchase of a 5S objectively irrational. Hope this clears it up.

 

[Brittany246]

People have really got to stop using this ridiculous line. I bought a Moto X, and within minutes had all my old stuff on the phone. It just worked. If you prefer iOS fine, but stop making it seem like other phones take advanced physics equations to work. If so nobody would own anything other than an iPhone.

Yeah, good for you. It's not the same with my Nexus 7, and I don't expect it to be the same with the Nexus 4 which is why I said that. There have been many times where I had to wipe my Nexus 7, and I had to start completely over. You have to root your tablet or phone in order to do the same thing as with the iPhone or iPad. I'm comparing the iPhone with a Nexus device, obviously. I honestly don't care about your moto x.

 

[daneoni]

How condescending. So everyone who buys an iPhone is 'brainwashed'. There's no possibility that they actually like the product?

These forums have really gone downhill.

 

[zedzded]

The Nexus isn't a better phone in my opinion. I'm not sure why you stated that as if it's a fact. There's way more to a phone than just specs. For what I use my phone for, the iPhone is best. I could not care less about crazy customization or widgets. I have a Nexus 7, and I don't even look at the widgets on my screen. The only thing the Nexus has that I want is NFC and a larger screen. That's about it.

I use a lot of apps, and the app selection is better in the itunes app store (especially with games). Also, setting up a brand new iPhone exactly the way you want it is as easy as logging into iCloud, and app progress is the same as on your old phone. Things are just way easier with iOS. You don't have to waste time getting things to work well... they just do.

Well there's way more to a phone than just software. It's all very well getting exciting about how amazing IOS is, but there's not much point having an amazing camera app if you have a $h!tty camera on the end of it is there?

 

[Glen Quagmire]

The finger print thingy looks quite cool, but apart from that it's just the same old camera bump and processor increase with an outdated OS.

So, an operating system that hasn't even been released yet is out of date?

Are you serious?

 

[juswest]

Yeah, good for you. It's not the same with my Nexus 7, and I don't expect it to be the same with the Nexus 4 which is why I said that. There have been many times where I had to wipe my Nexus 7, and I had to start completely over. You have to root your tablet or phone in order to do the same thing as with the iPhone or iPad. I'm comparing the iPhone with a Nexus device, obviously. I honestly don't care about your moto x.

Wiping a device and starting completely over isn't a Nexus issue. I had to do the same thing when I owned an iPhone. I talk to people daily and have to direct them to the Genius Bar for various reasons. Both products come with issues. My point was regarding the idea that one product just worked. It's such a ******** statement. Considering that you're on a board where people frequently seek solutions to problems, and the existence of the Genius Bar. If it just worked the Genius Bar folks would need new jobs.


You don't have to care about my Moto X. Won't ask you to.

 

[Random 995K]

Not sure what all the confusion is. As the OP has pointed out, the only reason anyone would buy a 5S is because the buyer is psychologically disturbed. Clearly OP has applied the universally accepted Phone Goodness Scale© and found that the Nexus 4 has a score of 10,000 Goodness Per Inch, whereas the iPhone 5S comes in at a paltry 200 Goodness Per Inch. This proves that the Nexus 4 is scientifically better than the iPhone 5S, making any purchase of a 5S objectively irrational. Hope this clears it up.

xD

 

[Brittany246]

Wiping a device and starting completely over isn't a Nexus issue. I had to do the same thing when I owned an iPhone. I talk to people daily and have to direct them to the Genius Bar for various reasons. Both products come with issues. My point was regarding the idea that one product just worked. It's such a ******** statement. Considering that you're on a board where people frequently seek solutions to problems, and the existence of the Genius Bar. If it just worked the Genius Bar folks would need new jobs.


You don't have to care about my Moto X. Won't ask you to.

Ok, so when did you own an iPhone? Did you not have iCloud or something? OBVIOUSLY there are going to be issues with any phone. I never said the iPhone had no issues. I'll say whatever I want. It'd be nice if you'd stop crying about it. Thank you.

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Well there's way more to a phone than just software. It's all very well getting exciting about how amazing IOS is, but there's not much point having an amazing camera app if you have a $h!tty camera on the end of it is there?

How is the camera ******?

 

[juswest]

Ok, so when did you own an iPhone? Did you not have iCloud or something? OBVIOUSLY there are going to be issues with any phone. I never said the iPhone had no issues. I'll say whatever I want. It'd be nice if you'd stop crying about it. Thank you.

HAHA..No thank you.

 

[Kariya]

Not sure what all the confusion is. As the OP has pointed out, the only reason anyone would buy a 5S is because the buyer is psychologically disturbed. Clearly OP has applied the universally accepted Phone Goodness Scale© and found that the Nexus 4 has a score of 10,000 Goodness Per Inch, whereas the iPhone 5S comes in at a paltry 200 Goodness Per Inch. This proves that the Nexus 4 is scientifically better than the iPhone 5S, making any purchase of a 5S objectively irrational. Hope this clears it up.

Q. F. T.

Never mind that the Nexus 4 throttles CPU/GPU performance as soon as you do anything remotely intensive, or that the screen isn't properly calibrated unless you hack it, or that the battery life is average at best, or that the camera is virtually worthless, or that it doesn't have LTE.

But lets not mention those. It runs Android...and that automagically solves/trumps everything else.

 

[Outrigger]

and true it doesn't have LTE, but LTE is pointless if you've got a decent 3G connection. A decent 3G connection is fine for what most people do on a mobile phone, don't let the marketeers convince you otherwise.

did you seriously just wrote LTE is pointless if you've got a decent 3G connection, in 2013? I love how you downplay the weakness of a product that you, an individual likes. I'm going to cancel my fiber optic internet connection because its pointless since my old 14.4kbps dial up modem works as well.

if you love your android, thats fine, but seriously don't pass up your opinion for facts. its like an a$shole, everyone has one.

 

[zedzded]

Ok, so when did you own an iPhone? Did you not have iCloud or something? OBVIOUSLY there are going to be issues with any phone. I never said the iPhone had no issues. I'll say whatever I want. It'd be nice if you'd stop crying about it. Thank you.

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How is the camera ******?

Was that rhetorical? The camera on the 5S is behind the competition. It has no image stabilization for stills, the only image stabilization it has is digital and that's for videos, no xenon flash, more low light issues, it still has not resolved the issues with the panoramic mode which is just a mess and needs a surgeons hand to ensure accurate pictures are taken, I could go on, but you've probably got my point.

 

[J53119]

Both OS have flaws. I have an iPad and a Note II. I will not consider an Android tablet because the screen aspect ratio of the iPad makes sense and I much prefer it over an Android tablet for that reason alone.

On my iPad, my mail app consistently is unresponsive, and Safari can close by itself (crash) at random. On my Note II, I had to use an app to freeze Facebook because it was still grabbing data in the background even though all auto sync was set to off. (though I don't think anyone thinks the iOS version of FB is perfect, either) Updating one of the Samsung apps (Don't use them) also was causing background battery drain.

So, neither are perfect. Apple should get with the times and offer a larger screen phone (Not necessarily Note II size.. even I admit that is too large sometimes). That doesn't mean they have to discontinue the 4" for those that prefer that. They need to think to themselves... We have some iPhone users that are now converting to Android. What will it take for some Android users to switch to iOS?

 

[lympero]

That shows you how different customers expectations are. I delay upgrading from my 4S as long as possible because I don't like those huge screens. 3 inch or 3.5 inch is perfect. 4 inch is too large. 5 inch is a tablet, not a phone.

Have you ever used a galaxy s4 (5 inch)? I remember when i was watching the galaxy s3 event with my wife and we both laugh when we heard the screen size (4.8 inches). Eventually i got it after the laughable tall screen of iphone 5 and now my wife uses my s3 and i got a s4.

Now i cant even imagine using a phone with a screen less than 4.7. Galaxy s3 and s4 have the perfect form factor. They are slim, lightweight and i can use them with one hand with no problems at all. (the back button placed near my thumb is helping a lot).

Anyway if i could have the s4 form factor with IOS7 it would be great but i dont mind. Eventually apple will give us bigger screens...

 

[AppleMrHan]

Don't get me wrong, there's no way in hell I'd buy an iPhone at the moment, they're way too far behind the curve (they wouldn't event make the top 10 best handsets), but I was hoping they would come up with something here to put some pressure on the other players.

The finger print thingy looks quite cool, but apart from that it's just the same old camera bump and processor increase with an outdated OS.

Sure it'll still sell in droves as the brainwashed will lap it up, but IMO it's very disappointing. Why would anyone buy the iPhone when you can get a Nexus for less than a 1/3 of the price and it's a better device, the world's gone crazy.

And yes, I know we owe where we are now to the iPhone, I owned the 3, 3GS and the 4, Android copied it shamelessly, but we are where we are, and now Apple is a follower and not a leader.

Going to buy 5S.

I do not get people who talk about specs, comparing it to Android counterparts, like more RAM or higher resolution on a phone.

Human eye has limitations and we have already reached them (300 limit vs iPhone 4 326 ppi). So, in terms of display quality, Samsung phones are only bigger in size but not in quality. My iPhone 4 from a few years back has the same quality of picture as that of newest S4.

More RAM on Android? So what? Its all about operating system, stability and utilization of that memory. iPhone iOS is efficient with its use of RAM (1GB vs 4GB), I have no lag, everything loads extremely quickly, there is no slowdown. More RAM would only serve for bragging rights.

Quad core processor? Really, whats the purpose? Now, its octa-core? I have no idea why in the World would anyone need octa-core on their phone. My iPhone 4 dual core loads everything super fast. What kind of multitasking would require an octal-core on a phone? Again, only serves for bragging right mostly.

People talking about FULL HD on phone, really? Thats idiotic, I'm sorry, its a huge power drain, which is counterproductive to the PRIMARY purpose of a phone - to last for as long as it can without having to be re-charged.

Comparing hardware on phones is silly, we are way beyond the point where it matters. Even PC software is not optimized for quad core architecture, let alone octa core.

The only thing I wish Apple would do would be to have a version of iPhone with a bigger screen. However, its also debatable, as phones are becoming big to the point of not being portable, which is the other primary function of a phone.

iPhone hits on the biggest factors of the phone:
1. Best build quality
2. Built around longer battery life and portability
3. Display is sharp and vibrant - retina display
4. Best-in-business customer support and stores are everywhere

Apple was never in business of chasing spec war, which has gone out of hand.

Samsung is now its own enemy, as its devices are suffering from poor battery life, overheating, etc, just google it. They pack a lot of useless power-draining components that serve no purpose to anyone.

 

[decafjava]

The finger print thingy looks quite cool, but apart from that it's just the same old camera bump and processor increase with an outdated OS.

Sure it'll still sell in droves as the brainwashed will lap it up,

So, an operating system that hasn't even been released yet is out of date?

Are you serious?

Haha no kidding, ios 7 is hardly out of date. Please leave with the brainwashed (and the "fanboy", "isheep", "fandroid" ) insults as well.

 

[charliecc]

So, an operating system that hasn't even been released yet is out of date?

Are you serious?

Yes, I've used it. It's still the locked down far too much.

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did you seriously just wrote LTE is pointless if you've got a decent 3G connection, in 2013? I love how you downplay the weakness of a product that you, an individual likes. I'm going to cancel my fiber optic internet connection because its pointless since my old 14.4kbps dial up modem works as well.

if you love your android, thats fine, but seriously don't pass up your opinion for facts. its like an a$shole, everyone has one.

I standby my statement. I would not make the decision on whether or not to get a smartphone based on whether it supports LTE or not.

The comparison to dial up and fibre is a stupid one.

If you have a decent 3G connection you're getting > 10Mbps. That's easily sufficient for almost all of the tasks you're ever going to need to perform on your smartphone. That covers HD video, so I'm not quite sure why someone would require a faster connection.

Sure your download will finish a little bit faster, but with an iPhone you're pretty much not allowed to download files anyway. Perhaps app updates will finish a few seconds earlier. Either way, LTE over a decent 3G connection is a very minor plus point.

 

[Brittany246]

Was that rhetorical? The camera on the 5S is behind the competition. It has no image stabilization for stills, the only image stabilization it has is digital and that's for videos, no xenon flash, more low light issues, it still has not resolved the issues with the panoramic mode which is just a mess and needs a surgeons hand to ensure accurate pictures are taken, I could go on, but you've probably got my point.

No, it wasn't rhetorical. The pictures on the iPhone 5 look fine to me when the lighting is good. Not sure about the 5S though.

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Yes, I've used it. It's still the locked down far too much.

So because it's locked down, it's out of date? K

 

[BJonson]

I think they probably repeat that in the nausea inducing promo vids they've now released, they are very cringeworthy. Just listen to the first 30 secs of this one (30 secs is all I could manage), http://www.apple.com/iphone-5c/videos/#video-product. Classic bollox. "It's more essential", really!! It looks like a parody of an Apple video..

Come on Jony Ive, put a new shirt on. He has gotten on my nerves with his BS. "Look at this terd, we crafted a perfect cylindrical shape and made it even more curved and the brown color was crafted after the most harmonious color of earth and hapiness. It's soft and the scent it gives off is an added bonus."

 

[auero]

delete

 

[Wayfarer]

The finger print thingy looks quite cool, but apart from that it's just the same old camera bump and processor increase with an outdated OS.

How is iOS 7 outdated?

 

[dvoros]

Upset

Apple could have released a truly Awesome iPhone 5s yesterday by making it with a five inch screen. For those satisfied with their smaller screens, well there is the 4s and 5C. They really missed the boat by not presenting a WOW factor phone. What is wrong with the company?

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The iPhone 5s could have been an Awesome phone if it had a five inch screen. The 4s and 5C satisfy those still wanting a small screen. Apple missed the boat by not giving us a WOW factor phone. What is wrong with Apple these days?

Have you ever used a galaxy s4 (5 inch)? I remember when i was watching the galaxy s3 event with my wife and we both laugh when we heard the screen size (4.8 inches). Eventually i got it after the laughable tall screen of iphone 5 and now my wife uses my s3 and i got a s4.

Now i cant even imagine using a phone with a screen less than 4.7. Galaxy s3 and s4 have the perfect form factor. They are slim, lightweight and i can use them with one hand with no problems at all. (the back button placed near my thumb is helping a lot).

Anyway if i could have the s4 form factor with IOS7 it would be great but i dont mind. Eventually apple will give us bigger screens...

 

[applesith]

I standby my statement. I would not make the decision on whether or not to get a smartphone based on whether it supports LTE or not.

The comparison to dial up and fibre is a stupid one.

If you have a decent 3G connection you're getting > 10Mbps. That's easily sufficient for almost all of the tasks you're ever going to need to perform on your smartphone. That covers HD video, so I'm not quite sure why someone would require a faster connection.

Sure your download will finish a little bit faster, but with an iPhone you're pretty much not allowed to download files anyway. Perhaps app updates will finish a few seconds earlier. Either way, LTE over a decent 3G connection is a very minor plus point.

Thank you for defining what a faster connection means. That's why LTE is better. There is no comparison in streaming LTE and 3G. 3G crawls and HD quality isn't usually consistent. 3G streaming gets more of those sporadic fuzzy video periods when watching HD.

I use my data mostly during commute to work on a train. LTE can easily handle constant radio streaming in the background while I go through websites and download updates.

I do a lot of downloading hi-res images and high quality audio from my email on my phone and 3G can't handle that.

I guess 3G is sufficient for those who don't do much with their phone.