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Eidorian

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I am deciding between the Home premium and Ultimate Edition - ultimate isnt a bigg difference over home premium.

And I am thinking for buying an Upgrade version which is cheaper but I know the Superdrive could make me problems for that - I read that you cant switch cds while booting up and installing windows. I already asked somebody for help on this - if its possible to make a clean install while in xp or vista and let it verify there that I have the XP CD and boot up after that and install Vista.
Wow, that's a big investment on Vista. Much more then what I'm willing to spend. If I EVER do get Vista it'll be Home Basic. What more do you need then that?

For usability you could be right, no you are right, but then again I am not running to many windows at one time and to flip through them with the mouse wheel its just some seconds and I dont have a problem with that.
I really dont have if you believe it or not.

Maximizing windows isnt a problem for me too. I read a post here in Macrumors where a user who switched from windows wanted to have it maximized like in windows

(that was a funny thread to like this one - maybe two people said you have to at the bottom right drag it and it will get bigger and the rest just flames why you want that and blah blah blah and he wondered also like me why they act like that and all he wanted was just an answer to this - Its nothing wrong when you mention it and answer the question, but when posts just start building up with things like why you need it its **** anyway it gets really annoying - thats what I hate about Mac users (not everyone-like you but most)

You can still adjust it in windows to make it smaller like in mac osx if you want to make it bigger. And of course its nice to have a button like in MAC OSX the green button or in windows the maximize button but none of those OS has both. Its again what you prefer more and I dont have a problem with both options I can adjust it at the bottom right on both OS the way I want it and it just takes some seconds
I hit to many usability issues with full screen applications. You end up seeing people with so much empty space covering other windows. It's an old carry over from the old days of only one application on screen at a time. It's something that I REALLY wish Microsoft would work on. Maximizing isn't productive for me. It's cluttering and distracting!
 

balamw

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And I am thinking for buying an Upgrade version which is cheaper but I know the Superdrive could make me problems for that - I read that you cant switch cds while booting up and installing windows. I already asked somebody for help on this - if its possible to make a clean install while in xp or vista and let it verify there that I have the XP CD and boot up after that and install Vista.
Three simple solutions to the upgrade edition problem.
  1. Borrow/buy/steal a cheap USB external CD drive for the install
  2. Install XP first and actually upgrade from there, at least in previous editions you can still do a clean install
  3. Try the "merged install CD" approach that I and others have used for XP
Since no one has actually received an upgrade DVD yet it's hard to tell which of these will work for sure, but the first two are pretty safe.

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Eidorian

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Three simple solutions to the upgrade edition problem.
  1. Borrow/buy/steal a cheap USB external CD drive for the install
  2. Install XP first and actually upgrade from there, at least in previous editions you can still do a clean install
  3. Try the "merged install CD" approach that I and others have used for XP
Since no one has actually received an upgrade DVD yet it's hard to tell which of these will work for sure, but the first two are pretty safe.

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Yeah the lack of an eject button on the drive is an issue. Can you get the iMac to boot off of USB? :confused:
 

balamw

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Yeah the lack of an eject button on the drive is an issue. Can you get the iMac to boot off of USB? :confused:

Yeah, but that's not the point. Stick the Vista DVD in the internal, and the CD you're using to verify upgrade eligibility in the external. Boot off the internal :p (FWIW, I was unable to get this to work by having the install files from the CD on a USB memory stick or external FW HDD).

For the second approach your internal HDD has the OS to upgrade from already installed

And in the third, you don't need to eject because the files of the old OS are on the same DVD.

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Eidorian

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Yeah, but that's not the point. Stick the Vista DVD in the internal, and the CD you're using to verify upgrade eligibility in the external. Boot off the internal :p (FWIW, I was unable to get this to work by having the install files from the CD on a USB memory stick or external FW HDD).

For the second approach your internal HDD has the OS to upgrade from already installed

And in the third, you don't need to eject because the files of the old OS are on the same DVD.

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Ah so it will see the second drive on USB to validate your upgrade version. (I remember that for Windows 98 Upgrade :rolleyes: )

The second is kinda messy but it might work better due to the new imaging install.

The third is a nice workaround. :D
 

Tony Gambino

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Wow, that's a big investment on Vista. Much more then what I'm willing to spend. If I EVER do get Vista it'll be Home Basic. What more do you need then that?

I just dont know what I am going to do in the future and XP was for 5 years. And if I am going to keep the mac or not

Its always better to buy more than less or something like that goes the saying in my language.


I just think like this about Vista because there are some features that could be usefull I dont remember right now in Home Premium over Basic

Not about Office I am using the enterprise edition right now which is almost identical to the Office Ultimate edition and there are too many apps in there that I dont need. To buy this edition it would be a waist of cash (Just explained to not get it wrong what I meant with the saying)


There are somethings missing in the home basic than Home Premium or Ultimate. And no, the first thing if I would get the home basic edition wouldnt be I am missing on AERO, but some features it has. I dont remember the exact features right now but know there are things like Shadow copy which keeps a version of almost every folder and files I think. Its like Time machine but you dont need an external hd. Which came already handy a lot of times and there are other things.

If I am already spending so much then I want to be happy at least with what I got and not regret it why I didnt buy the better edition and beside that the difference in the price is

Windows Home Basic $199

Windows Vista Home Premium $239

Ultimate edition $399

Ultimate edition is a big difference in price but home basic and premium isnt too big

I have to look over the features again and compare the price and from what I remember Home Basic to Home Premium is a 40$ and a bigger difference in fetures over home premium to ultimate bigger price difference but less in fetures, If I remember right.

I hope nobody will write a post I am advertising again:D

EDIT: I forgot all editions are on the same dvd and the product key chooses which edition to install so there wouldnt be no downloading of a new edition and no regret why you didnt buy the better edition, just have to get a new product key with windows anytime upgrade

I hit to many usability issues with full screen applications. You end up seeing people with so much empty space covering other windows. It's an old carry over from the old days of only one application on screen at a time. It's something that I REALLY wish Microsoft would work on. Maximizing isn't productive for me. It's cluttering and distracting!

In Vista I think its changed but I am not sure (because I said I dont have a problem with it and dont pay attention to it). I dont have many times windows maximized (only in OneNote, Outlook, Photoshop, Dreamweaver) all other apps like Windows explorer windows and Internet explorer always open up in a window as big as it needs to be like the green button in Mac OSX except when you maximize it and next time it will start maximized. Other than that its like the green button without needing to scroll horizontally or vertically

But I am not sure but will pay bigger attention to it from now on.
 

Tony Gambino

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Three simple solutions to the upgrade edition problem.
  1. Borrow/buy/steal a cheap USB external CD drive for the install
  2. Install XP first and actually upgrade from there, at least in previous editions you can still do a clean install
  3. Try the "merged install CD" approach that I and others have used for XP
Since no one has actually received an upgrade DVD yet it's hard to tell which of these will work for sure, but the first two are pretty safe.

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I read the 3 option somewhere before in macrumors and was exactly what I needed if the clean install option wouldnt work in Xp or Vista as I have now.

I read already somewhere that you can perform an upgrade in vista and verify the cd there. That was for the RTM but the guy who tried said he doesnt know if the retail version will work this way also.

Thanks for the link will copy it into OneNote:D
 

balamw

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I just dont know what I am goig to do in the future and XP was for 5 years. And if I am going to keep the mac or not
Just note that Microsoft has been making it very clear that they plan to restrict your ability to move your Vista license freely from one machine to another. At one point you were going to be allowed a single transfer of the license, but I don't know what the latest is.

EDIT: Link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing_reply.asp

So if you're not planning to keep the Mac and you install Vista on it, you might not be able to "reuse" your Vista license on another machine so easily...

Just be careful to understand the license restrictions and limitations you're buying into.

Also FWIW, it has been widely reported that you will be able to unlock the additional features in the more advanced editions after install and without a reinstall, which is a big departure for Microsoft. So many who buy Home Basic will be able to upgrade their license to Home Premium or Ultimate by buying a code online...

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Eidorian

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Also FWIW, it has been widely reported that you will be able to unlock the additional features in the more advanced editions after install and without a reinstall, which is a big departure for Microsoft. So many who buy Home Basic will be able to upgrade their license to Home Premium or Ultimate by buying a code online...B
I've heard of this as well. It might be a better idea to start with an OEM (Or Retail) copy of Home Basic or Premium. If you REALLY need more features you can add them later.

Any specific reason for Premium or Ultimate?
 

Tony Gambino

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Just note that Microsoft has been making it very clear that they plan to restrict your ability to move your Vista license freely from one machine to another. At one point you were going to be allowed a single transfer of the license, but I don't know what the latest is.

EDIT: Link: http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing_reply.asp

So if you're not planning to keep the Mac and you install Vista on it, you might not be able to "reuse" your Vista license on another machine so easily...

Just be careful to understand the license restrictions and limitations you're buying into.

i know the license -thanks for pointing it out anyway. When I heard about the first license Vista was a big no no, than they changed it and changed it again for the second time.

Now I can reinstall Vista as many times I want, and move the license to another computer as many times I want but delete it from the previous computer. And when I move the license to a new computer I will need to call Microsoft - Internet activation wont work.

OEM version is as always tied to the computer


Also FWIW, it has been widely reported that you will be able to unlock the additional features in the more advanced editions after install and without a reinstall, which is a big departure for Microsoft. So many who buy Home Basic will be able to upgrade their license to Home Premium or Ultimate by buying a code online...

Am I understanding it right, the first time I would install Vista I would get the additional features from the ultimate edition but after a reinstall I wont?

If thats true and I am understanding it right I hope they changed it also - I have to google about it.

EDIT: I get it you are talking about Windows Anytime Upgrade and made a good point (I forgot all editions are on the same dvd and I only need a product key to install a better edition.) Now I for sure wont buy the Ultimate edition because I will always have the option to go bigger if I want to and no regret in why I didnt choose the better edition.

I thought you are talking about the Ultimate extras at first and misunderstood something - thats why I was a little confused but after rereading I got it
 

Tony Gambino

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I've heard of this as well. It might be a better idea to start with an OEM (Or Retail) copy of Home Basic or Premium. If you REALLY need more features you can add them later.
Any specific reason for Premium or Ultimate?

I dont get it.

Will it be cheaper to upgrade later and will you have the features then always after reinstall or just for not regreting it why you didnt go with the better edition because you can always get it later.


premium just because its 40$ more and has more features that are usefull, Ultimate - I dont know, big price difference and not much difference in features just some business feature over home premium - but i think shadow copy is in ultimate and is good, I dont know for other features - dont remember all, have to check again


EDIT: I forgot all editions are on the same dvd and the product key chooses which edition to install so there wouldnt be no downloading of a new edition and no regret why you didnt buy the better edition, just have to get a new product key with windows anytime upgrade. I wont buy the Ultimate Edition for sure now since you remembered me on that. How could I forget this

EDIT: Does anybody know if there are any disadvantages with having an Upgrade version instead of a Full version - except to keep the XP CD always with me
 

Eidorian

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I dont get it.

Will it be cheaper to upgrade later and will you have the features then always after reinstall or just for not regreting it why you didnt go with the better edition because you can always get it later.


premium just because its 40$ more and has more features that are usefull, Ultimate - I dont know, big price difference and not much difference in features just some business feature over home premium - but i think shadow copy is in ultimate and is good, I dont know for other features - dont remember all, have to check again


EDIT: I forgot all editions are on the same dvd and the product key chooses which edition to install so there wouldnt be no downloading of a new edition and no regret why you didnt buy the better edition, just have to get a new product key with windows anytime upgrade. I wont buy the Ultimate Edition for sure now since you remembered me on that. How could I forget this

EDIT: Does anybody know if there are any disadvantages with having an Upgrade version instead of a Full version - except to keep the XP CD always with me
Yeah all the editions are on the same disc. Your license key is that tells the installer which version you should be installing.

No word on if it's more expensive to Any Time Upgrade Vs. buying Ultimate yet.

Yeah you'll have to keep your XP disc around. Otherwise it's the exact same.
 

Nym

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Hey Tony, I came to take a look on how this thread was developing and I must say, geez, sorry! It seems like a lot of people started to misunderstand what you said. For one, I understand your point of view, running Adobe CS2 under Rosetta is a pain so that I'm also using XP to run these apps.
I respect your opinion when you say you think Vista is better, in fact, competition is always good for the consumer so I'm glad M$ is making a product that people seem to like. And there's nothing wrong in having different opinions, but believe me, if you'd go to a Vista forum to brag about OSX you'd be flamed and banned immediately, at least here I figure some people aren't like that.

If you're interested, I will try Vista (but not an original copy because I don't intend to keep it for long), however, I would never switch from OSX, the thing is I used a PC since MS-DOS time and followed the evolution of the Windows OS, three years ago I started working on a Mac and I was completely stunned! I bought my first Mac just two months ago and I completely love OSX, the only thing that's lacking (which is Adobe's responsability, not Apple's) is Adobe CS3 Universal IMO (and the app in my sig).
The reason why I won't buy Vista is the same reason I don't own an Xbox and won't buy a Zune, I just don't like Microsoft as a company :eek:
Let me explain, I'm against killing animals for fur, so, as much as I like a specific jacket, if it's made of fur I won't buy it, its a question of principle.
I don't like Microsoft because of their business philosophy over the years, the Xbox thing, the Netscape dispute, the Java case, the constant copying and buying of others people's ideas and the thing that gets me the most.. is their quest for absolute technologic monopoly... (I hate this, even in Governments).

To end my contribution to this thread, if you want Vista, get it, use it and if you want let us know how that's going, maybe you can prove a lot of people wrong, maybe you can do that to yourself, who knows? however, one should never be descredited for having a different opinion, I have a lot of friends on the PC side and I don't get in a fight with them everytime they talk about Vista, however, they still drool at my 24" iMac ;)

As you can see, not all Mac users are PC haters (just a wheeny bit :D)
 

Tony Gambino

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Yeah all the editions are on the same disc. Your license key is that tells the installer which version you should be installing.

No word on if it's more expensive to Any Time Upgrade Vs. buying Ultimate yet.

Yeah you'll have to keep your XP disc around. Otherwise it's the exact same.


Cool will save some cash because I am going to buy the upgrade version and will save again because I wont buy the ultimate edition. I dont even kno if I will ever buy the ultimate edition. Because the ultimate edition has only this features over the home premium

Windows Fax and Scan
Windows Ultimate Extras
IIS Web Server
Offline files and folder support
Join domain (Windows Server/SBS)
Windows BitLocker Full Drive Encryption
Encrypting File System (EFS)
System image backup and recovery
Windows ShadowCopy
Maximum RAM (64-bit version) 128+ Home premium 16GB


I hope "System image backup and recovery" isnt system restore which could be usefull and Windows shadow is good
Maximum RAM could be the only thing that would make me buy the Ultimate edition - who knows when the next windows OS comes out and how fast technology will change. I could be using 16GB RAM in maybe 3 years.

For the home basic over home premium edition there is a bigger list of feature differences and almost all are usefull and its only 40$ more. It will be very unlikely I will go with the homebasic - but its enough if you dualboot on a mac and use it just for gaming.

Now I came from 399$ Ultimate (full version) to $159 Home premium (for upgrade) I know it will be a little more in my country.


I think most people will go with home premium
 

Tony Gambino

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Hey Tony, I came to take a look on how this thread was developing and I must say, geez, sorry! It seems like a lot of people started to misunderstand what you said.

Hey Nym

I think they didnt read or just the beginning, but no worries its out of my head and I dont think about it anymore

For one, I understand your point of view, running Adobe CS2 under Rosetta is a pain so that I'm also using XP to run these apps.
I respect your opinion when you say you think Vista is better, in fact, competition is always good for the consumer so I'm glad M$ is making a product that people seem to like. And there's nothing wrong in having different opinions, but believe me, if you'd go to a Vista forum to brag about OSX you'd be flamed and banned immediately, at least here I figure some people aren't like that.

You are right and the software was my only problem I had wit Mac OSX and I know it will go away with time.

If you're interested, I will try Vista (but not an original copy because I don't intend to keep it for long), however, I would never switch from OSX, the thing is I used a PC since MS-DOS time and followed the evolution of the Windows OS, three years ago I started working on a Mac and I was completely stunned! I bought my first Mac just two months ago and I completely love OSX, the only thing that's lacking (which is Adobe's responsability, not Apple's) is Adobe CS3 Universal IMO (and the app in my sig).

I know the feeling, I was stunned too when I first used mac osx - I felt like most switchers why I didnt do it earlier, I even had a defective Imac the first time I bought it and didnt even know because Mac OSX was working so beautifull. I was very happy but then after more and more time I had more and more apps and most of them were just slow or unstable (like I explained before) and than vista came by and I went with vista but I am still open to Mac OSX and will be looking at Leopard and looking out for new features.

I still havent made my mind up a 100% what i am going to do and I think I wont until some days before my Vista RTM version expires(about 100 days left).



The reason why I won't buy Vista is the same reason I don't own an Xbox and won't buy a Zune, I just don't like Microsoft as a company :eek:
Let me explain, I'm against killing animals for fur, so, as much as I like a specific jacket, if it's made of fur I won't buy it, its a question of principle.
I don't like Microsoft because of their business philosophy over the years, the Xbox thing, the Netscape dispute, the Java case, the constant copying and buying of others people's ideas and the thing that gets me the most.. is their quest for absolute technologic monopoly... (I hate this, even in Governments).

I found out about this in this thread and dont like it neither and understand now why some people hate microsoft.


To end my contribution to this thread, if you want Vista, get it, use it and if you want let us know how that's going, maybe you can prove a lot of people wrong, maybe you can do that to yourself, who knows? however, one should never be descredited for having a different opinion, I have a lot of friends on the PC side and I don't get in a fight with them everytime they talk about Vista, however, they still drool at my 24" iMac ;)

Thats the way it should be, My friends and parents think the same about my Imac they love it and my mother who is not good with computer when I explained to her how easy it is using Mac OSX she said to my father the next computer we are going to buy will be a mac. For what she does on a computer (mostly using the internet) Mac OSX would be perfect for her
 

Nym

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lol, nice to see the calm after the storm eh? eheh, BTW, if you're interested, go to www.microsuck.com, it has a lot of facts about M$ that will give you a more detailed view of the things they to do outrun and destroy their competitors, not that I want you to hate microsoft, but at least get a different perspective about what they really are :) And if you by any chance end up using an illegal Vista copy, don't pity them, most of their fortune was made ripping off every fella like us...
I'm not supporting piracy in any way, I'm just saying that without piracy probably M$ wouldn't be where they are today, which is 95% of computer users using their OS. However, I don't know anyone with an illegal OSX installation, it figures that people have little to complain about Apple.
And Mac OSX isn't perfect obviously, if it were I wouldn't use it because it would be a never upgrading platform, if it ain't broken don't fix it right?

As for Adobe CS3, I'm dying to see it flying in my 24" iMac...
And for Leopard, remember that Apple has a way of always doing better than we would expect, if they keep it up Leopard will be a blast.
IMO I think it doesn't need a whole new GUI, what they should do is give the users a chance to customize it a little more without third party apps, that way everyone who doesn't like Brushed Metal or Aqua could just change it through system preferences, and it would be pleasing to all users to set their Mac the way they want. And as much as I respect the graphic consistency that Apple tries to keep standard in their OS, the truth it that people always end up customizing it anyway (shapeshifter, candybar) so they should offer a way of doing this without you having to buy external applications. IMO the ShapeShifer panel in system preferences is perfect :)

But yes, I understand why the AERO interface got you, I saw the AERO previews quite a while ago at www.aero-soft.com (which has closed since that time BTW) so I kinda knew what to expect from Vista :) I still prefer the cleaness of OSX, I like the GUI more bright than dark but as I said, I respect who prefers the opposite :)
 

Eidorian

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Check out the Windows Weekly podcast with Leo Laporte. They cover a lot of the features and issues with Vista. I've linked you to the first episode. (First of five.)

Home Premium does seem the best bet. Also consider getting an OEM copy of it instead of the upgrade. It's a bit more flexible then the upgrade edition but still cheaper then the retail one.

The benefit of the retail version from what I hear it two free support calls to Microsoft. ($75 normally.)
 

balamw

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Home Premium does seem the best bet. Also consider getting an OEM copy of it instead of the upgrade. It's a bit more flexible then the upgrade edition but still cheaper then the retail one.
That's also what I'm considering, of course depending on OEM availability. I'm a bit on the fence between Home Premium and Business, since I don't plan to use the Media center functions.

Dual boot that with XP Pro on my Dell. I'd buy another license for the iMac if I could legally run it in Parallels. I don't want to run it in Boot camp 'cause I have a 10 GB XP partition which is too small for Vista.

Also FWIW you may be able to find loss leader deals on Vista when it is first released. I got XP Pro Upgrade for $139 at Staples when it was released and XP Home Upgrade for $89 on sale @ Target.

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EclipX

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Why in the f*ck do you use a imac? To put Vista on it? omfg, Vista is a 100% rip-off from osx 10.4.8. Stupid MS fanboy, go buy some crappy dell computer.
 

zephead

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Why in the f*ck do you use a imac? To put Vista on it? omfg, Vista is a 100% rip-off from osx 10.4.8. Stupid MS fanboy, go buy some crappy dell computer.

*sigh* If you would read the thread, that has been said many times. The guy has an addiction to anything that's new technology, so the guy bought an iMac and liked OSX, but he saw Vista and Aero and "fell in love" with them since they were new (in terms of release date). Apparently Vista works pretty good (for him) and he's happy with it, at least until Leopard's new tech (in terms of actual technologies, and maybe release date) comes out and overshadows Vista, then he'll probably want to buy that.
 

Awestyn Powerz

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lofl = laugh out freakin loud

I cant belive you don't like AERO (or think that its not amazing).

Its the best GUI I ever saw and when people say they dont like i cant understand it. But I dont care too much if they dont like it. I know not everybody likes everything.

So you like Aqua more than AERO?

** (JOKE) (To make point) (Do not take seriously) (Spoof of T Gambino's Post) **

C'mon guys I can't believe you don't like HITLER (or think he's not amazing).

He's the best leader I ever saw and when people say they don't like him, I can't understand it. But I don't care too much that other people don't like him, because they will eventually bow to him or perish!

** (JOKE) (To make point) (Do not take seriously) (Spoof of T Gambino's Post) **

(Hitler was evil btw if you didn't know already)
 

Tony Gambino

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Gambino
I cant belive you don't like AERO (or think that its not amazing).

Its the best GUI I ever saw and when people say they dont like i cant understand it. But I dont care too much if they dont like it. I know not everybody likes everything.

So you like Aqua more than AERO?


** (JOKE) (To make point) (Do not take seriously) (Spoof of T Gambino's Post) **

C'mon guys I can't believe you don't like HITLER (or think he's not amazing).

He's the best leader I ever saw and when people say they don't like him, I can't understand it. But I don't care too much that other people don't like him, because they will eventually bow to him or perish!

** (JOKE) (To make point) (Do not take seriously) (Spoof of T Gambino's Post) **

(Hitler was evil btw if you didn't know already)

Funny guy. Copied everything I wrote except the last sentence I know not everybody likes everything. Maybe I should put a but before I started the last sentence and you would get it. (I said my english isnt good manytimes) but maybe you just wanted to be funny and you wouldnt have a point with my last sentence included in your "Spoof of T Gambino's Post"
 

Tony Gambino

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After using Vista for a little more than a month I am back to Tiger now for almost a week.

The reason: Simplicity (if that’s the right word) and Mac OSX just works – Vista doesn’t. Found two nasty bugs:

1. Settings always changed in the control panel. That made me mad and Vista has so many settings in the control panel and everywhere else. (like sleep time for display changed always, …)
2. Folder View Options always changed also, and that made me really mad. For example. Once I see the documents stacked, next time I click on documents again, I will have them ordered by name, next time it will be different again (every folder on the HD is affected by this). Always different. That wasn’t so at the beginning but after some weeks I wanted to set up the folder view options different for every folder and from then on all was messed up or maybe a program compatibility issue did this I don’t know. But it made me like Vista every day less and less with those two bugs.

I tried to fix it for 3 hours and at the end new I can’t fix this. The funny thing is some folders are also like connected I found out. If I changed lets say a folder in the pictures folder to a different folder view option (tiles) than always another folder changed exactly to tiles and before haven’t had any folder to tiles – the same would happen if I would choose order by type or size. It even affects the Windows Explorer.

And what was even funnier the more I tried to fix it the more folders got affected by this. At the beginning (when I wanted to set up the folder view options different for every folder) all folders where like I wanted them except one always changed (Connected folder which I explained above) and the more I tried to fix this more and more folders got affected until all got affected and connected and changed automatically every time I clicked on them.



I could leave with this for 2 days longer but than these 2 bugs made me really mad and formatted Vista and in Vista there are just too many settings to set up the computer. And always checking if everything works like it should (Virus scan, disk formatting, checking if the settings are still the same, … ) At first it was all nice and going through the features and settings everything new but after time I was wasting too much time for making the OS run like its supposed too. I also had problems with disk defrag I think Windows One Live Care’s perfomance tune up messed it up. It never defragmented my HD unless I did it manual.

I didn’t trust the OS anymore and every time before I began using the computer I went through all settings to see what changed to set it back.


I don’t know what was the reason to all those problems I guess Program incompatibility, but I am done with Vista. But I still like AERO but don’t miss Vista at all.

I also had some minor issues with Vista

I don’t regret using Vista, now I know at least how it is and love MAC OSX again. If I wouldn’t try Vista until today I would still be all excited about Vista and reading about it and so on and wouldn’t like MAC OSX like I do it now again


The Vista madness is over
 

elppa

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I first saw a screenshot of Aqua (from the MESF 2000 preview) in a magaine and thought wow! That is amazing (both OS 9 and Windows UIs were mainly grey then) - the contrast was incredible!

Maybe some people will think the same with Vista, but for me it looks to similar. There is not enough innovation.
 
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