Vista as the only OS on a C2D Imac

[Tony Gambino]

in defence to the OP,

he simply asked if it's possible.

what he got in return wasen't an answer, but flame grenades.

Well it was an answer beside the flame grenades when I started talking about what I like in Vista before I used it, but I never said vista is amazing before I tried it - just that I am in love with AERO and want to try Vista out (but if it has problems with stability or performance it gets formated, I said that its amazing after I tried and I still mean it

i understand that his reasoning was stupid, and he has the same problem as what most men also have in attraction. being pretty is only a small fraction of what makes people like something.

I dont see it as stupid. I just fall in love with the nice look thats all I said before I tried Vista - and I had to try it out, and I said if Vista isnt stabil or slow as xp it gets formatted. But it wasnt the case all is good and without any problem with the Vista RTM version.
And its not just AERO again but productivity - working without Software emulation and so on ...

personally, i tried windows vista rc2, with the graphical effects disabled (because i can't enable it ) and i find it a sound OS. it feels comfortable to be in, and i'm having no problems in using it on my computer. there's no major annoyance that i see yet, except for the fact that it's not OSX.

does that mean i'm not going to use OSX ever again, definitly not. i still like OSX more, and i'm planning on ditching windows gradually.


Now, to the OP. by posting 3 times in a row you are trolling. and you know, this is a mac forum right? the only way this is possible is to install windows alongside osx, and then delete the osx partition. i'm not sure if it's going to screw up the booting though.

You mean the one about restarting

I got Vista already installed as one suggested on page 1 and use it and dont regret it for now its a big difference to work in Vista than OSX for me because all my apps I used where PPC. I just wanted to know about the firmware upgrade if its in any use to me if I use windows - and got it answered.

I think its hard to understand this thread if you dont read it all but I know its too much to read

 

[Tony Gambino]

If your apps are paid software, does that mean you had to buy separate Windows versions of all your apps just because you didn't want to run them with Rosetta?

I got all those apps from the windows times before going to mac. My father bought Photoshop CS2. I had macromedia studio 8 because I need it and Office 2003 Student edition

For the PPC apps. I didnt buy any of those. Office 2004 was preinstalled and saw when I type I have to wait a second to see the letters I typed - got formatted straight away - went with Iwork than - but doesnt come close to Office in my opinion.

I also tried the macromedia dreamweaver 8 trial but was the same slow a little better than Office in performance after it started up of waiting a long time. But then after using it some days I had enough and sticked with a free html eitor "Tacos", still had installed and used it sometimes for things tacos couldnt do.

And the same for photoshop cs2 but this one was the best in rosetta performance and didnt want to buy it because CS3 will be out in some months, just used the free trial

I tried to sell macromedia studio 8 at first and buy it for the mac version (before I saw the performance in Rosetta) but luckily nobody wanted it


And I didnt want to use my windows apps in bootcamp, like I said before, bootcamp is good for games but not for work for me. I didnt have an external hd and didnt want to format it in fat32 and it would be just too much to move my files from one partition to the other one (and I am not a fan of Parallels) and I hated how xp became slow after some days of use. It was just not an option.

And with seeing AERO and reading about the new features in vista (especially the one to prevent vista from running slow) I just said vista is going to be my only OS. An after I tried vista I dont regret it at all to what i did - still love to work in it and no problems.

Edit: If they were all running great in Rosetta (except Photoshop which I didnt use much - had fireworks in Studio 8) I would buy them for the mac, but was a little disappointed. I thought its going to be better from what I read on the Apple website before buying a mac

 

[wyrmintheapple]

And I didnt want to use my windows apps in bootcamp, like I said before, bootcamp is good for games but not for work for me. I didnt have an external hd and didnt want to format it in fat32 and it would be just too much to move my files from one partition to the other one (and I am not a fan of Parallels) and I hated how xp became slow after some days of use. It was just not an option.

OK, we get you want to run windows, and I can understand that It has the programs you want. And, while still crap, vista is pretty, and is a big improvement to using it. The complete technical ignorance you show in making your decision though is astounding. Why didn't you keep a Mac partition? Why not use Bootcamp? Why not have both, then you get a choice? best of both worlds? Ah, and then I see it..... you dont even know what bootcamp is/does.

Windows does not run "IN" bootcamp. That is the dumbest thing I have heard, although it is a common misunderstanding. Bootcamp is not emulation, and it is not some kind of magical virtual machine, a'la Parallels. Basically, all bootcamp does is partition the disk and makes you a disk of drivers. Windows does not, cannot and will not "became slow after some days of use." not only is this not an option for you, its not even possible. The firmware on all new Macs contains the CSM for the EFI. It is THIS which boots windows, and It is THIS which you are using to boot Vista right now. Once it has partitioned the drive and made you the driver disk, Bootcamp takes a back seat... It does nothing. In fact, its possible to do pretty much everything boot camp does.... without even using it!

 

[nufanec]

5 point you are wrong it definately aint the same I read a lot about vista. Its no big difference but there is one in bug fixes, stability, driver support and performance, I DONT WANT MY FIRST VISTA EXPERIENCE TO BE BAD.And if you read the whole thread you know I like the newest things so I cant help myself. And last thing I also said I will get my broadband speed on tuesday back so I need to wait anyway. It makes all perfect sence, doesn't it?

You realise that is pretty much exactly the same thing as saying "I'm a virgin but I look at a lot of porn. I'll be able to give Jenna Jameson an orgasm my first time".

And to further my analogy, Vista is a lot like Jenna Jameson in a way. It might look pretty, sexy, and fun from a distance, but play around with it for a bit and you'll find its just a bit old and very sloppy...

 

[zero2dash]

I hated how xp became slow after some days of use. It was just not an option.

And with seeing AERO and reading about the new features in vista (especially the one to prevent vista from running slow) I just said vista is going to be my only OS. An after I tried vista I dont regret it at all to what i did - still love to work in it and no problems.

You clearly have little to no Windows experience, and certainly little to no Mac experience if you purchased a Mac to run Windows.

1) Nothing about XP, 2000, 98, ME, 95, Vista or even frickin' Windows 3.1 "causes Windows to become slow after some days of use"; that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Windows becomes slow when a) you don't defragment, b) your computer is infected or hosed, c) you have a hardware failure.

2) There is nothing in Vista to keep it running better than any other version of Windows, other than the fact that it automatically defrags at certain points whereas other versions of Windows only defragged if you told them to (or set up a scheduled task to do so).

3) Vista will certainly NOT run better on a computer than XP or 2000 because Vista takes more resources to run. Vista is no more optimized for bleeding edge hardware than any other version of Windows.

I've ran three versions of Vista (all downloaded legally from being a member of the MSDN) and even the RC isn't that good. It's a pretty picture glossed over the same ugly Windows picture underneath. I'll stick with XP for the time being. Vista offers next to nothing useful other than user account protection and that's a pathetic parting gift for an operating system that is arguably the worst resource hog I've ever seen.

 

[Tony Gambino]

OK, we get you want to run windows, and I can understand that It has the programs you want. And, while still crap, vista is pretty, and is a big improvement to using it. The complete technical ignorance you show in making your decision though is astounding. Why didn't you keep a Mac partition? Why not use Bootcamp? Why not have both, then you get a choice? best of both worlds? Ah, and then I see it..... you dont even know what bootcamp is/does.

Why I didnt keep a mac partition?

Because I am using my computer for work and some gaming. But I still didnt play any games in Vista because I just love to work in Vista right now and I know its not good yet to play games.

So too make it short - mac doesnt offer me for now no reason too keep a mac partition [well I have one but all aps deleted just for firmware updates]. Only Leopard and the apps in universal I need could. And I said I have no problem to reformat my disk for that.

Should I keep a partition for using safari because its safer and faster?

Windows does not run "IN" bootcamp. That is the dumbest thing I have heard, although it is a common misunderstanding. Bootcamp is not emulation, and it is not some kind of magical virtual machine, a'la Parallels. Basically, all bootcamp does is partition the disk and makes you a disk of drivers. Windows does not, cannot and will not "became slow after some days of use." not only is this not an option for you, its not even possible. The firmware on all new Macs contains the CSM for the EFI. It is THIS which boots windows, and It is THIS which you are using to boot Vista right now. Once it has partitioned the drive and made you the driver disk, Bootcamp takes a back seat... It does nothing. In fact, its possible to do pretty much everything boot camp does.... without even using it!

That is dumb. I know exactly what bootcamp is and does. I know it just partitions my drive and gives me drivers and I know bootcamp makes windows thing I am running windows with [or on or whatever] BIOS.

Why you think I asked in my first post if I can run vista without bootcamp without a mac partition (except for the efi -bios part, which I thought is maybe somehow possible another way like there are other ways to run windows on a mac)? I just asked if firmware updates are any use to me with running only windows (which I didnt know before) and if it isnt if somebody could explain another way to install it without having a mac partition. And I also thought Vista will support EFI on 64 bit Vista,it didnt cost me anything to ask.

Most people say in bootcamp and it is technically wrong but I dont give a ****. I am not going to say to everybody who says in bootcamp they are wrong and start explaining it. I know what they mean when they say in bootcamp - and thats it

With slow I meant what is every PCs problem which is running windows. (registry, defragmantation, ...) and I like this on a mac which doesnt have a registry and automatically defragments the disk like Vista will (but a little different, it will schedule a hd defrag every week).

But anyway you just wanted to help, I guess

 

[Max Payne]

Get the fu** out of M-A-C-Rumors. Go sell your BS some where else.

 

[Tony Gambino]

You realise that is pretty much exactly the same thing as saying "I'm a virgin but I look at a lot of porn. I'll be able to give Jenna Jameson an orgasm my first time".

And to further my analogy, Vista is a lot like Jenna Jameson in a way. It might look pretty, sexy, and fun from a distance, but play around with it for a bit and you'll find its just a bit old and very sloppy...

Will see, could be as I said - but for now its all good

 

[Tony Gambino]

You clearly have little to no Windows experience, and certainly little to no Mac experience if you purchased a Mac to run Windows.

I bought a mac to only run mac and didnt even know for bootcamp, at first. And please I am a Computer enthusiast and know about mac and a lot more more more about windows and dont care what you say or think.

That statement is just ********, why? because i dont go into detail when I say windows runs slow after time? Thats ********, but I did for you now go and read on

1) Nothing about XP, 2000, 98, ME, 95, Vista or even frickin' Windows 3.1 "causes Windows to become slow after some days of use"; that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Windows becomes slow when a) you don't defragment, b) your computer is infected or hosed, c) you have a hardware failure.

Thats exactly what I meant every PC running windows has these problem(defragment, registry messed up,..). Microsoft knows its a problem and most people are not manually defraging there hd. And the registry slows down your PC also when installing and uninstalling programs because the registry gets messed up and when uninstalling it doesnt delete always everything from the registry

2) There is nothing in Vista to keep it running better than any other version of Windows, other than the fact that it automatically defrags at certain points whereas other versions of Windows only defragged if you told them to (or set up a scheduled task to do so).

Most people dont do this and a lot of people agree windows runs slow after time because of this. Some even dont know what defrag is.

Again I know its auto defrag and thats what i meant, beside

Superfetch is new if you heard about that google about it and you will see what it does or read my previous posts. I mentioned once what it does

And boot up is faster (not to confuse with start up) with vista than xp. And there are for sure other things in vista that make vista run better than previous versions of windows.
Like the way it does the GUI all from the GPU no more Processor, so the processor load is less and I like that since I have a good enough GPU and can take advantage of that.

I will say safely you are wrong on this and there are for sure other things that will make it run better than xp. That was dumb what you said, really

EDIT: Hybrid Hard drives (or something like that) another thing new in Vista which XP doesnt take advantage off (google about it)

And the GPU thing I explained earlier

so this statement

Vista will certainly NOT run better on a computer than XP or 2000 because Vista takes more resources to run. Vista is no more optimized for bleeding edge hardware than any other version of Windows.

is really as you said earlier

that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard

It really is beside Vista is ******** than XP as somebody said before

3) Vista will certainly NOT run better on a computer than XP or 2000 because Vista takes more resources to run. Vista is no more optimized for bleeding edge hardware than any other version of Windows.

Read the comment above for your number 2

when xp came out nobody had (well most people didnt have 1GB or 2 GB of RAM. Running Vista after 5 years on a new computer as xp on my C2D Imac, will be the same i am sure if not better (technology changes fast), if you know what I mean

I know when I got xp for the first time on my pc and it was not as fast as vista on my Imac, because I didnt have a good PC.
And it is way different after 5 years on my Imac as will be Vista after 5 years on my new computer

And even now on my fathers Sony Vaio notebook 2 years old 2 GHZ with 448 MB ram (or something close to it) and 64 shared video memory XP is slow - slower than Vista on my Imac, way slower

Edit: Vista is more stable, no crash or blue screen of death yet and say what the **** you want

Vista will certainly NOT run better on a computer than XP or 2000 because Vista takes more resources to run. Vista is no more optimized for bleeding edge hardware than any other version of Windows.

What kind of **** is that.

All you wrote about Vista not better and not faster is only true but only if you are talking for an old computer

I've ran three versions of Vista (all downloaded legally from being a member of the MSDN) and even the RC isn't that good. It's a pretty picture glossed over the same ugly Windows picture underneath. I'll stick with XP for the time being. Vista offers next to nothing useful other than user account protection and that's a pathetic parting gift for an operating system that is arguably the worst resource hog I've ever seen.

HAHA

I can just lough at this. I know I am on the wrong forum to talk about that so I will just keep smiling

Edit: Why are you a MSDN member? You should cancel your membership and stop paying microsoft for the **** they give you. It looks like you are not a happy MSDN member.

 

[Tony Gambino]

Get the fu** out of M-A-C-Rumors. Go sell your BS some where else.

**** everybody, nah **** almost everybody here. You are almost all to dumb for me anyway and aint worth my time and my energy. This thread is becoming a waist of time. Just dumb posts almost all the time

I wonder at the end how many mac users who have xp will have vista after a year from now, when macs will have directx 10 cards. I am sure they wont stay with xp so what the **** is wrong with having a Vista copy when it comes out and I am more productive anyway right now in Vista, and later for directx 10 gaming.

All I am saying is it will come handy anyway once and I cant go wrong with it. And its better than xp

And all you people seeing Vista as a service pack are dumb and you will be even more when you will buy it once or pirate or whatever
Are most of you still stuck in Windows 2000 or 98? Oh no windows xp is a a bigger difference from windows 98 or 2000 and for playing games its better, what most people do in xp running on their mac. And the prize for XP as I see it was the same as for Vista now if you look at the vista editions

 

[Tony Gambino]

**** made a mistake

 

[Nick T.]

Operating Systems are NOT a religion!

A few weeks ago I bought a 2 GB Mac mini and added a 300+ GB miniStack external HDD. It serves as an evaluation box as I’m considering replacing my home built PC with a Mac Pro. I’ve been an avid PC user since the S-100 and CP/M 1.4 days, and a Windows user since 3.11. Maintained a multi-user Unix system running on a Z80 8-bit processor.

Every operating system has its strengths and its weaknesses. There is NO best operating system. Operating Linux from the command prompt is certainly more complex and difficult than any GUI, but at the same time is far more powerful. An objective evaluator could make an almost endless list of realistic comparisons between any two OSs such and OS X and WinXP or Vista and would certainly find that in the majority of comparisons the two OSs would not be equal.

Yes, Windows is much more susceptible to attack than OS X, but although I’ve been connected to the world wide web since the very early days I’ve only been infected by one virus - - which did no damage, only required removal.

Yes, OS X at times can be very sluggish in its response compared to window - - a lot more spinning beachballs than hourglass symbols.

Yes, HFS+ is journaled, but files still become fragmented over time.

As I said the list could be endless …….

As a person considering making the switch, if I were to make my decision based on what I hear from many Apple users, I most certainly would NOT switch to OS X! Many posts in this thread that are attempting to shoot down Tony Gambino are incorrect, non-issues, over blown, specious, biased, or just plain childish. Operating systems are not the basis for forming a religion!

 

[Tony Gambino]

Operating Systems are NOT a religion!

A few weeks ago I bought a 2 GB Mac mini and added a 300+ GB miniStack external HDD. It serves as an evaluation box as I’m considering replacing my home built PC with a Mac Pro. I’ve been an avid PC user since the S-100 and CP/M 1.4 days, and a Windows user since 3.11. Maintained a multi-user Unix system running on a Z80 8-bit processor.

Every operating system has its strengths and its weaknesses. There is NO best operating system. Operating Linux from the command prompt is certainly more complex and difficult than any GUI, but at the same time is far more powerful. An objective evaluator could make an almost endless list of realistic comparisons between any two OSs such and OS X and WinXP or Vista and would certainly find that in the majority of comparisons the two OSs would not be equal.

Yes, Windows is much more susceptible to attack than OS X, but although I’ve been connected to the world wide web since the very early days I’ve only been infected by one virus - - which did no damage, only required removal.

Yes, OS X at times can be very sluggish in its response compared to window - - a lot more spinning beachballs than hourglass symbols.

Yes, HFS+ is journaled, but files still become fragmented over time.

As I said the list could be endless …….

As a person considering making the switch, if I were to make my decision based on what I hear from many Apple users, I most certainly would NOT switch to OS X! Many posts in this thread that are attempting to shoot down Tony Gambino are incorrect, non-issues, over blown, specious, biased, or just plain childish. Operating systems are not the basis for forming a religion!

I didnt know there are still people like you here, this thread should end with this post

Edit: By the way good post - nothing but the truth

 

[Dane D.]

But the question remains why - why put an OS that is an weak copy of a better OS (OS X), you are so blinded by Vista and its eye candy, BFD. An OS should allow one to interact with the computer without hassle and interference from the OS. That is the beauty of Mac OSs, no hassle, no bulls..t, no interference - it just works. Vista will be the beginning of the downfall of MS. No way can MS continue to support old OS apps. But as this thread has proved thick-headed people like yourself, never can see logic or reasoned answers. Now we can stop this insane thread about an insane topic - Tony Gambino, have fun with Vista, may you have eternal bliss with MS and her latest offering.

 

[sikkinixx]

wow and I thought the Gaming section had the worst flame wars...

 

[Tony Gambino]

But the question remains why - why put an OS that is an weak copy of a better OS (OS X), you are so blinded by Vista and its eye candy, BFD. An OS should allow one to interact with the computer without hassle and interference from the OS. That is the beauty of Mac OSs, no hassle, no bulls..t, no interference - it just works. Vista will be the beginning of the downfall of MS. No way can MS continue to support old OS apps. But as this thread has proved thick-headed people like yourself, never can see logic or reasoned answers. Now we can stop this insane thread about an insane topic - Tony Gambino, have fun with Vista, may you have eternal bliss with MS and her latest offering.

WTF is wrong with you. Read my posts.

Do I use Vista because of its Eye Candy? Its nice and like it more than the one in OSX, but its not the most important thing (I said a 100 times I would formt Vista if it would be slow in performance - you people are killing me with this ****)

how many times did I say I love to work in Vista? And that is not because of the eye candy but because all aps I am using are running without emulation in windows (in Rosetta on the mac).

Again I love it for now as I said a 100 times to work in Vista right now more than in MAC OSX. This can change when Leopard is out and the apps are all universal I need.

AERO means a lot to me but not everything and I wouldnt buy Vista just for that. Dumb people

I saw Vistas eye candy some weeks ago for the first time, then I started to read about Vista and saw its supposed to be improved the problems Xp had.
(Stability, performance,..., and a new GUI which I hated) - So I loved AERO from the pictures and wanted to try out Vista really soon. Then I saw what I read is true to now (the improvements) and just enjoy working with Office 2007 and my other apps I have which are PPC on the Mac

So its a lot better for me to work in Vista than Mac OSX for now again

and I choose it over XP and MAC OSX.

Read your ******** again - its all ******** in my case except the last general sentence is true and in my case its Vista - I hope you get it, and please read at least some posts before posting next time or maybe you are just dumb or my english is too bad.

But the question remains why - why put an OS that is an weak copy of a better OS (OS X), you are so blinded by Vista and its eye candy, BFD. An OS should allow one to interact with the computer without hassle and interference from the OS

Did you get now why I choose Vista over Mac OSX, and I also said I got a 100 days remaining to try Vista out and maybe more features of Leopard will be revealed and the apps I need will maybe be announced to be universal,
I dont know yet for sure.

Right now after trying Vista for more than 10 days and having AERO

I for sure wouldnt buy Vista just for AERO, but its not just AERO what I am trying to explain I love

I just talked about how beautifull AERO is before I tried it and what I read about Vista. I couldnt say anything else about the performance or whatever because I didnt try it (and didnt know if its true)- read my posts and you will see before I tried Vista I talked just about AERO (I explained above why) and after I tried I mention how much I love to work in Vista more I think and only sometimes AERO, and I always said Vista is not just about AERO, ALWAYS (after I tried it)

So why the **** everyone keeps on mentioning AERO? I guess they just read the posts before I tried Vista.

And this is the last dumb post I answer. The last time I put my time and energy into it.

I am starting to get crazy of you people

You all need to relax and calm down. I never said Mac OS is **** or I will never use it again, but not Tiger or below

And as Nick T said

Many posts in this thread that are attempting to shoot down Tony Gambino are incorrect, non-issues, over blown, specious, biased, or just plain childish.

EDIT: Oh and I am thick- headed what are you then if you still think that and didnt get the reason why I chooes Vista over Tiger for now, and please dont mention AERO or I am going to shoot myself

 

[Tony Gambino]

wow and I thought the Gaming section had the worst flame wars...

I was 99% sure if I say I am going to format MAC OSX for Vista thats going to happen.

And when people asked why and I started talking about AERO (at first) instead of like a guy who did the same but went with XP "Oh trust me I know how good and beautifull MAC OSX is and ..., but" and the case was closed.

I was 100% sure.

Because of all this dumb post (not all but almost all now I know you cant talk with people who love macs about windows (again not all but almost all) because they start talking how **** windows is and like MAC OSX is perfect which neither of them is and in my case MAC OSX is worse for now and read above why.

I dont get it, I never said Mac OSX is **** - just Vista better for now or windows in general - but I like to have the newest and Vista isnt just like some say here AERO or a Service pack ( and all you read my recent posts not the beginning to know why)

I am no more putting my time and energy into explaining the same thing over ad over again and then another dumb post comes

 

[Max Payne]

I was 99% sure if I say I am going to format MAC OSX for Vista thats going to happen.

Then why did you waste our time. Go to a win Vista forum an sell your crap there.

Now let this R.I.P becaus w r tire of your free avertisment for Win *****.

 

[Tony Gambino]

Then why did you waste our time. Go to a win Vista forum an sell your crap there.

Now let this R.I.P becaus w r tire of your free avertisment for Win *****.

Ha Ha

I explained that also before, Coz thats the way I am and when dumb posts after dumb posts were posted I also said twice I am going if its going to continue but then stoped (for a while)

What the **** is a free advertisment here. I think somebody who said that and was joking and you took it too seriously

Go now and play Max Payne in XP , no wait I think they got it for MAC OS already

EDIT: I hope you got the Mac version or you might catch a Virus HAHA Mother****er

 

[Max Payne]

What the **** is a free advertisment here. I think somebody who said that and was joking and you took it too seriously

Go now and play Max Payne in XP , no wait I think they got it for MAC OS already

EDIT: I hope you got the Mac version or you might catch a Virus HAHA Mother****er

And that is an advertisment.

Even an idiot will know that Max Payne also came in PS2 and Xbox.

Now be a good boy and go play with the latest viruses in Vista. I am sure, you won't find them in Mac OS X.

P.S. The idiots in Mac OS X do not realize that viruses are cool and are sweet programs to keep you and your PC busy.
P.P.S. You have 83 posts, most of them in this thread. How much did M$ pay you or are you a M$ employee?
Now Zune off.

 

[Tony Gambino]

And that is an advertisment.

If thats an advertisement then there are a 100 advertisments from other people here and advertising

Even an idiot will know that Max Payne also came in PS2 and Xbox.

EDIT: Even an Idiot would know games like that play better with a mouse.

You are here in the windows on the mac forum - you know about windows, man thats ******** and a dumb post again but I dont give a ****. I am sure you are using windows and at least have a windows game so go and **** yourself with that ****

Even an idiot will know that Max Payne also came in PS2 and Xbox.

Now be a good boy and go play with the latest viruses in Vista. I am sure, you won't find them in Mac OS X.

Ha ha and then when a security vulnerability or whatever is found in MAC OSX the whole MAC community wonders why everybody is talking about it.

Its because of those stupid MAC USERS, who act like there OS is perfect and cant have a problem.

P.S. The idiots in Mac OS X do not realize that viruses are cool and are sweet programs to keep you and your PC busy.

Like Nick T said

Yes, Windows is much more susceptible to attack than OS X, but although I’ve been connected to the world wide web since the very early days I’ve only been infected by one virus - - which did no damage, only required removal.

and this one again

As a person considering making the switch, if I were to make my decision based on what I hear from many Apple users, I most certainly would NOT switch to OS X! Many posts in this thread that are attempting to shoot down Tony Gambino are incorrect, non-issues, over blown, specious, biased, or just plain childish. Operating systems are not the basis for forming a religion

P.P.S. You have 83 posts, most of them in this thread. How much did M$ pay you or are you a M$ employee?
Now Zune off.

I am not starting another thread or reply to any other thread coz I started to hate the whole Mac community (almost the whole - there are still good people here)

EDIT: AND THAT ZUNE OFF **** IS REALL **** - I DONT LOVE MICROSOFT AND I DONT HAVE A ZUNE NEITHER AN IPOD AND WOULD PREFERE AN IPOD FROM WHAT I HEARD - CHILDISH POST AGAIN

why the **** you act like that - I never said I love Microsoft or MAC OSX is ****

 

[Eidorian]

WTF is wrong with you. Read my posts.

Do I use Vista because of its Eye Candy? Its nice and like it more than the one in OSX, but its not the most important thing (I said a 100 times I would formt Vista if it would be slow in performance - you people are killing me with this ****)

how many times did I say I love to work in Vista? And that is not because of the eye candy but because all aps I am using are running without emulation in windows (in Rosetta on the mac).

Again I love it for now as I said a 100 times to work in Vista right now more than in MAC OSX. This can change when Leopard is out and the apps are all universal I need.

I find it complete understandable not to want to run applications via Rosetta.

AERO means a lot to me but not everything and I wouldnt buy Vista just for that. Dumb people

I saw Vistas eye candy some weeks ago for the first time, then I started to read about Vista and saw its supposed to be improved the problems Xp had.
(Stability, performance,..., and a new GUI which I hated) - So I loved AERO from the pictures and wanted to try out Vista really soon. Then I saw what I read is true to now (the improvements) and just enjoy working with Office 2007 and my other apps I have which are PPC on the Mac

So its a lot better for me to work in Vista than Mac OSX for now again

and I choose it over XP and MAC OSX.

XP fixed a lot of the stability and performance issues for the consumer through protected memory. Then again the same can be said of OS X vs. Classic. So "improved stability and performance in Windows Vista" just sounds like yet another empty promise seeing as programs crash rarely now. The biggest issues still fall on the registry (virtualized for some applications) and breaking DLL's.
In before Windows being based off of UNIX one day.
What's the comment about the GUI hate? Did they change it around to much or what? I found Vista's Control Panel very unfriendly even in Windows Classic Theme. I turned off Aero since I did find it more annoying then useful. *my opinion*

I just talked about how beautifull AERO is before I tried it and what I read about Vista. I couldnt say anything else about the performance or whatever because I didnt try it (and didnt know if its true)- read my posts and you will see before I tried Vista I talked just about AERO (I explained above why) and after I tried I mention how much I love to work in Vista more I think and only sometimes AERO, and I always said Vista is not just about AERO, ALWAYS (after I tried it)

So why the **** everyone keeps on mentioning AERO? I guess they just read the posts before I tried Vista.

And this is the last dumb post I answer. The last time I put my time and energy into it.

I am starting to get crazy of you people

You all need to relax and calm down. I never said Mac OS is **** or I will never use it again, but not Tiger or below

So are you more productive in Vista due to the interface? I'm unsure about that. You're still limited to Alt+Tab and the Taskbar.

EDIT: Oh and I am thick- headed what are you then if you still think that and didnt get the reason why I chooes Vista over Tiger for now, and please dont mention AERO or I am going to shoot myself

I have to say that your posts in general have been a pain to read. Yes, I and others have managed to do so. It doesn't seem to be very effective though. Are you a foreign speaker of English?

 

[Tony Gambino]

I find it complete understandable not to want to run applications via Rosetta.

Right and thats why the things Mac OSX has better than Windows are not enough.

Rosetta is a big problem,

I can live with some things Windows has problems like Virus and restarting, which arent problems to me I never had a virus that destroyed anything or made me reformat my HD. And registries and so on... could be complicated but ROSETTA is worse thats why I chooese Vista for now again

XP fixed a lot of the stability and performance issues for the consumer through protected memory. Then again the same can be said of OS X vs. Classic. So "improved stability and performance in Windows Vista" just sounds like yet another empty promise seeing as programs crash rarely now. The biggest issues still fall on the registry (virtualized for some applications) and breaking DLL's.
In before Windows being based off of UNIX one day.
What's the comment about the GUI hate? Did they change it around to much or what? I found Vista's Control Panel very unfriendly even in Windows Classic Theme. I turned off Aero since I did find it more annoying then useful. *my opinion*

So are you more productive in Vista due to the interface? I'm unsure about that. You're still limited to Alt+Tab and the Taskbar.

No because I dont run software in emulation and can use Macromedia and OFFICE and so on - it has nothing with the Interface to do. That just makes me like it but not buy VISTA just for that

EDIT: ALT + TAB or Windows Start button on the keyboard - what is the difference between Expose? Both is good but I like Flip 3d more when you have more windows open. And I dont hate the the taskbar - Live preview is also good

Those things have nothing to do with the productivity for me I am almost never working with more than 5 windows open at the same time, The taskbar never gets to big and with Tab bars in Internet Explorer.

Rosetta is the only problem and other small apps I mentioned before are universal but are not stable or slow in performance

I have to say that your posts in general have been a pain to read. Yes, I and others have managed to do so. It doesn't seem to be very effective though. Are you a foreign speaker of English?

Yeah I am a foreign English speaker and thats why I always posted when I had the feeling you dont understand that maybe my english is the reason but someone again said here my english is good and I am lying - but then again it was the person who said Vista is ******** than XP

Edit: I never had anything against you

 

[Eidorian]

Right and thats why the things Mac OSX has better than Windows are not enough.

Rosetta is a big problem,

I can live with some things Windows has problems like Virus and restarting, which arent problems to me I never had a virus that destroyed anything or made me reformat my HD. And registries and so on... could be complicated but ROSETTA is worse thats why I chooese Vista for now again

Alright then. It seems that most users were riled up over the "Aero is the reason" for switch earlier. How far up the Vista chain do you plan on going? Do you just want Windows for your applications or are you planning on going all out on it? Home Basic would suit you just fine for running Office and Dreamweaver 8. You need to pay for Home Premium to get Aero Glass though. (I don't get that!)

No because I dont run software in emulation and can use Macromedia and OFFICE and so on - it has nothing with the Interface to do. That just makes me like it but not buy VISTA just for that

Yeah emulation is a pain. I can survive Office for now. 10.4.8 was an improvement but it's still not native. Have you thought about Parallels? I hear it's faster to run applications natively in a virtual machine vs. Rosetta.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/06/reviews/parallels/index.php

Even using applications that perform very complex computations, like Photoshop CS2, you’ll see good results. I applied a complex mesh image filter to the same image on the Core Duo mini in three different environments: in OS X (running CS2 via Rosetta, since Photoshop is not yet a Universal Binary application), in Windows XP under Parallels, and in Windows XP running natively via Boot Camp. As you might guess, the Boot Camp XP machine was the fastest, taking 36 seconds to apply the filter. Close behind it, though, was the Parallels XP machine, at 44 seconds—only eight seconds slower. Trailing badly, at 77 seconds, was Photoshop in Rosetta on OS X. So for now, if you are a Photoshop power user with an Intel Mac, you may be better off running it in Windows on your Mac, either via Parallels or Boot Camp. Of course, you’ll need to own a second copy of Photoshop to take advantage of the additional speed.

It's entirely up to you if you want to dual boot or user a virtual machine.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/04/firstlooks/parallelsfl/index.php

Yeah I am a foreign English speaker and thats why I always posted when I had the feeling you dont understand that maybe my english is the reason but someone again said here my english is good and I am lying - but then again it was the person who said Vista is ******** than XP

Ok then. I wanted to try to clear that up. Good luck on getting better.

EDIT: ALT + TAB or Windows Start button on the keyboard - what is the difference between Expose? Both is good but I like Flip 3d more when you have more windows open. And I dont hate the the taskbar - Live preview is also good

Flip 3D = Alt+Tab

You're still limited to seeing one application at a time in a linear fashion. With Exposé you can see all non-hidden applications at once. I also have major issues with Maximizing windows on Windows. So much empty space on the sides! Still it's up to you to fit your window sizes to your needs. I find that OS X is a much more friendly multitasking environment.

Edit: I never had anything against you

Oh thanks. I'm just trying to remain constructive.

 

[Tony Gambino]

Alright then. It seems that most users were riled up over the "Aero is the reason" for switch earlier. How far up the Vista chain do you plan on going? Do you just want Windows for your applications or are you planning on going all out on it? Home Basic would suit you just fine for running Office and Dreamweaver 8. You need to pay for Home Premium to get Aero Glass though. (I don't get that!)

I think Vista will come handy anyway,

For now because of Rosetta in MAC OSX and other unstable, slow apps

and later

because of dirext10 gaming and who knows when macs will have a dirext 10 card - if I plan on buying a new mac and using Leopard and Vista for gaming.

I am not stupid and going to buy a mac to only run windows as some users said here.

I am deciding between the Home premium and Ultimate Edition - ultimate isnt a bigg difference over home premium.

And I am thinking for buying an Upgrade version which is cheaper but I know the Superdrive could make me problems for that - I read that you cant switch cds while booting up and installing windows. I already asked somebody for help on this - if its possible to make a clean install while in xp or vista and let it verify there that I have the XP CD and boot up after that and install Vista.

When I saw the price of Office 2007 I started to believe Vista is not the problem to get the money. Office 2007 is really expensive. I would really need Word, Outlook and One Note (which is amazing in my opinion) and only the Ultimate edition has all three of them in it. The other are usefull and good too but Word, Outlook,One Note is really what I need. The proffessional edition would be perfect (but hasnt one note) or with the Student teacher edition I would be happy also(but hasnt Outlook) and I dont know if I can buy single programms like the Student teacher edition + Outlook. I know they offer it but dont know if it will be available for me where I live
(I just never saw a single app from Office on the store shelves thats why i think like this but could be wrong about this and these time if I decide to buy it and will look better for single Office apps)

I really like Office 2007

my mother said she will help me out on that if I need some cash, but I want to get the money myself and no my parents arent rich - far away from rich

But I still dont know for sure. I will wait until the last day and look out for new features in Leopard and announcments for Universal versions of the apps I need or when a new version of office will be made universal

I know there are apps out there that are similar to those I need, but in my experience the software I used on mac was slow, or not stable (even universal apps were like that as I said before)

And a great OS with Software problems or little software choices is not much of a use. And I know its not as bad for everone but in my case it was with apps I had (as I said before).

Yeah emulation is a pain. I can survive Office for now. 10.4.8 was an improvement but it's still not native. Have you thought about Parallels? I hear it's faster to run applications natively in a virtual machine vs. Rosetta.

http://www.macworld.com/2006/06/reviews/parallels/index.php

I know about parallels and that its good for aps but not for gaming and then I would need to have both bootcamp and parallels or just bootcamp and then again I couldnt move my documents. Its just to much and I know I could find a solution for it if I would try hard enough but I just dont want because I am not a fan of dual boot or virtualization (I explained before for games bootcamp is not a problem but for other things it is).

EDIT: i just had a bad experience with mac software thats why I even dont want to bother with virtualization or dual boot. All apps that come with apple - Mac OSX are good without problems - except Safari had a lot of crashes and was a pain also when I had a lot of tabs open and then find all again. This hapened almost every day

http://www.macworld.com/2006/04/firstlooks/parallelsfl/index.php

Ok then. I wanted to try to clear that up. Good luck on getting better.

Thanks, and I am sorry for unclear posts or gramar errors

Flip 3D = Alt+Tab

You're still limited to seeing one application at a time in a linear fashion. With Exposé you can see all non-hidden applications at once. I also have major issues with Maximizing windows on Windows. So much empty space on the sides! Still it's up to you to fit your window sizes to your needs. I find that OS X is a much more friendly multitasking environment.

For usability you could be right, no you are right, but then again I am not running to many windows at one time and to flip through them with the mouse wheel its just some seconds and I dont have a problem with that.
I really dont have if you believe it or not.

Maximizing windows isnt a problem for me too. I read a post here in Macrumors where a user who switched from windows wanted to have it maximized like in windows

(that was a funny thread to like this one - maybe two people said, you have to at the bottom right, drag it and it will get bigger, and the rest just flames why you want that and blah blah blah and he wondered also like me why they act like that and all he wanted was just an answer to this - Its nothing wrong when you mention it and answer the question, but when posts just start building up with things like why you need it its **** anyway it gets really annoying - thats what I hate about Mac users (not everyone-like you, but most are like this)

You can still adjust it in windows to make it smaller like in mac osx if you want to make it bigger. And of course its nice to have a button like in MAC OSX the green button or in windows the maximize button but none of those OS has both. Its again what you prefer more and I dont have a problem with both options I can adjust it at the bottom right on both OS the way I want it and it just takes some seconds