Vista as the only OS on a C2D Imac

[dextertangocci]

I would be interested if, in a few months you could revisit this thread and tell us the true experience once the erection wears off!! (joke, love ya, this thread has made my day!)

LMAO

 

[Tony Gambino]

Ok...

I can somewhat appreciate where you're coming from, but come on' Vista is ok sure - but it really IS Windows XP in a new skin.

If you look at the differenece between xp and vista in features and stability, performance, security, ... its a big difference in my opinion.

If you used a mac, you may think Vista just has a new look and has some little features, because the mac already has this similar features (Sidebar, Flip 3d...) and stability security, performance, ... ,

I look at it what Vista has over Xp, like I said I like the features Vista has copied a little bit more (Flip 3d, ...), and it improved in stability, performance - as good as xp, ... - but I will go to 64 bit when more native software for 64 bit comes out


And like I said to go with Vista was the best choice for me, because my software runs native not in emulation like on the mac, vista improved, and looks nice and I do websites and most people use internet explorer or firefox and I am not a fan of dual boot or parallels - for games it was no problem, but to shift my work from one OS to another would be, without an external HD and not fat32 formated HD

I actually have Vista on my Macbook, and while it's very pretty (don't get too exited though, it's an OS not a pair of see through panties) it isn't very functional. All the initial tests point to a dramatic drop in performance in terms of music applications (that's what I read up on, so I can't talk about other apps) and doing small little things like trying to open an MP3 of some lecture recordings from uni caused me truly terrible experiences of which I've talked about in another thread.

I guess you are using a RC, and I never used it, it would be good if I would than I would know and could tell you if there is a difference in performance, stability,... over the RC in the RTM.

The other thing I read on ATIs site is vista is the first OS where the experience really depends on the GPU most (I know they are happy with that). And I dont know how the Macbooks integrated GPU is. And my ATI X1600 Mobility runs with 128 MB with 473/495 which is strange to me, normally its 400/400 I heard. I saw this in ATI Catalyst Control Center in Vista. Or maybe they dont underclock the GPU anymore in C2D Imacs.

And RAM is for sure important in Vista like I said earlier it uses as standard when I log into vista with no app running except in the taskabar some(antivirus,..) it uses 43% of 1.5 GB

And my score in vistas performance test is 4.5 with the lowest score RAM (1.5 GB) and the rest


Processor 5.1
Ram 4.5
Graphics 4.8
Gaming Graphics 4.9
Primary hard disk 5.4

The score is on a stock Imac, except for RAM

I would be interested if, in a few months you could revisit this thread and tell us the true experience once the erection wears off!! (joke, love ya, this thread has made my day!)

The Erection ha ha, Yeah I will come back and tell you

And the product activation thing today after 3 days showed up for the first time. just saw it when I woke my Imac from display sleep. A ballon pop ups for about 3 seconds in the taskbar and says Activate Windows and goes away automatically. Maybe it popped up before and could miss it since its not annoying at all.

Vista still feels the same in speed and I still love it as on day one. I wonder why my ram usage is always between 43 - most 50% usage, if superfetch has something to do with it. I read it loads the apps you use frequently into the RAM to make your apps load faster and not make vista slow. I am confident in Vista will stay speedy with this things and automatic disc defragmentation but only time will tell, could be wrong.

 

[Tony Gambino]

Not to sound like a jerk, but I suspect you're already a bit crazy if you're excited about axing OS X for an as-yet-unreleased Windows operating system, (which is probably being hacked as I write this,) but I digress...

You dont sound like that.

I wont go to Mac OSX Tiger or XP back. I just love Vista too much and office 2007. And all my three apps I use most, are running without emulation in Vista (Office 2007, Adobe Photoshop CS2, Macromedia Studio 8). And Vista in my experience is faster, more stabil and secure than xp. And the security is better than in XP.

Only Leopard can kill my loving of Vista

Other than some hotfixes from windows update which will be on the dvd when vista ships in january my Vista RTM (release to manufacturers - final version) isnt any different. I already got three updates from windows update. And the good thing is Vistas dvd has a folder extra for adding updates (if you want) I read, so you can always before you reinstall vista copy the latest updates on a dvd.

Be wary of dual booting before the cache of Windows flavours has been officially realeased. Rumours have circulated that Vista will only support dual booting on it's higher end (read: prohibitivaly expensive) versions. Conversly, other rumours have suggested that dual booting may not be possible at all, due to Vista's lack of EFI support. Whatever reasons, I did uncover this article at The Register, however, which may hint and part of the problem:



http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/27/schneier_infosec/

I know I could only run the higher end versions of Vista, legally. Other than there would be no problem and I am going for the ultimate edition anyway.

The first link doesnt matter to me. The problem would only be if I would use Bitlocker in Vista, which is by default off. Its like File Vault in Mac OSX which encrypts your files. But unlike in Mac OSX you have to have at least to partitions on the windows side and a TPM (has something to do with the BIOS) to make it to work. ( Vistas help explained it to me which is also very similar to the one in Mac OSX - a lot better than in XP)

And this one, which touches base on the EFI protocol:


http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=30190

This one could worry me a little but I dont quite understand.

For the 32 bit version they say its not supported - but it runs on my Imac and on a lot of others macs. What does supportd mean? It wont work or you cant call microsoft and ask for help?

For the 64 bit version I thought its going to be supported. But its going to be later then with a Service Pack I guess.

And are they trying to say 64bit Vista wont even work on a Mac?

No wait I get it - the article is somehow old (at the time were no 64 bit Mac existet) Had to reread to get it and looked on the date later (my bad english)

Does XP support EFI? I guess it doesnt but it works on almost every mac.
Doesnt bootcamp make Windows think the Mac has BIOS and not EFI, I think I read it somewhere Ha Ha



Thought you'd like to know before you kicked up $700 for transparent application windows.

 

[zephead]

No, XP and Vista do not support EFI, and yes, Boot Camp makes XP and Vista think they're starting up on a BIOS, thus tricking XP and/or Vista into thinking that they're booting up on a regular ol' PC.

 

[Tony Gambino]

No, XP and Vista do not support EFI, and yes, Boot Camp makes XP and Vista think they're starting up on a BIOS, thus tricking XP and/or Vista into thinking that they're booting up on a regular ol' PC.

So than everything is cool. Thanks

 

[dextertangocci]

This is one of the most amusing threads on MR

 

[daveporter]

Just be sure to load up your virus checker, your adware remover, etc. when you switch to any flavor of Windows. One of the best things about running OSX is that you need not be concerned about all the malware out there.

No eye-candy associated with Vista could entice me to move back to a PC (I just moved back to the Mac two months ago after 11 years on the PC).

I have actually be reviewing Vista (over several beta releases including the last one). A ffriend is one of the official beta testers. Vista, in my opinion, is NOTHING to get excited about if your now running Linux, OSX or Solaris. The impending release of Vista is one of the main reasons so many PC users are making the move to OSX and Linux.

Dave

 

[drlunanerd]

No, XP and Vista do not support EFI, and yes, Boot Camp makes XP and Vista think they're starting up on a BIOS, thus tricking XP and/or Vista into thinking that they're booting up on a regular ol' PC.

The latest final release of Vista does support EFI now, so technically it would boot on an older Intel Mac that had not had a firmware update to support legacy BIOS (Boot Camp does not enable this on it's own).

 

[Tony Gambino]

I cant belive what I just read

Man, microsoft has put the Vista RTM on MSDN (32 bit& 64Bit) and offers everyone who was a beta tester and submitted at least 1 bug with a product activation key that will work forever.

I signed up for the beta program and already downloaded Vista but never finished because I read there were many bugs and software issues with it and didnt want to delete xp for vista and games didnt work on vista good.

****, one damn bug and I could have it for free. But then again I wouldnt get the beautifull Vista DVD Box
But seriously it would be very very nice and the box aint worth 400$.

Here is the link, I checked anyway my email but no email from microsoft. I have to forget this as soon as possible

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=36175

 

[balamw]

Man, microsoft has put the Vista RTM on MSDN (32 bit& 64Bit) and offers everyone who was a beta tester and submitted at least 1 bug with a product activation key that will work forever.

Nothing too surprising here...

That's the usual "prize" for being an active beta tester, and I also why I have Windows ME. Though I guess my licenses are probably useless since they were supposed to be tied to the machines I used for beta testing and are long gone.

B

 

[Tony Gambino]

Nothing too surprising here...

That's the usual "prize" for being an active beta tester, and I also why I have Windows ME. Though I guess my licenses are probably useless since they were supposed to be tied to the machines I used for beta testing and are long gone.

B

I thought thats very unusal and Microsoft is the only one who offered this, becuase I never heard or read anything like that before. But you say you got Windows ME this way so its nothing new than.

Does Apple offer this too? I might test Leopard then and hunt for bugs if they have a Beta program like Microsoft

 

[balamw]

I thought thats very unusal and Microsoft is the only one who offered this, becuase I never heard or read anything like that before. But you say you got Windows ME this way so its nothing new than.

Does Apple offer this too? I might test Leopard then and hunt for bugs if they have a Beta program like Microsoft

I also got some more SWAG from MS for participating in the ME beta and submitting bug reports: a CD case and a number of stress ball-like things .

It depends on the beta program, but for Microsoft, generally if you get invited before the public beta and actually participate you get a copy of the RTM product.

I haven't heard that Apple has anything like the MS beta program, it almost seems like the equivalent is the developers program and they rely on the devs to do much of the early testing, and they already get the final version...

B

 

[Tony Gambino]

I also got some more SWAG from MS for participating in the ME beta and submitting bug reports: a CD case and a number of stress ball-like things .

It depends on the beta program, but for Microsoft, generally if you get invited before the public beta and actually participate you get a copy of the RTM product.

I haven't heard that Apple has anything like the MS beta program, it almost seems like the equivalent is the developers program and they rely on the devs to do much of the early testing, and they already get the final version...

B

I had the feeling apple has not a beta program like MS and only releases it to developers, because you could always read online "New Leopard seed for developers". Do they even release at the end close to the relese a RC or beta of their new OS for people like me to test. Did they do it with Tiger?

 

[balamw]

Do they even release at the end close to the relese a RC or beta of their new OS for people like me to test. Did they do it with Tiger?

I don't remember a public preview release for anything other than 10.0, but perhaps someone else will chime in if I'm wrong...

B

 

[dextertangocci]

Man, microsoft has put the Vista RTM on MSDN (32 bit& 64Bit) and offers everyone who was a beta tester and submitted at least 1 bug with a product activation key that will work forever.

I signed up for the beta program and already downloaded Vista but never finished because I read there were many bugs and software issues with it and didnt want to delete xp for vista and games didnt work on vista good.

****, one damn bug and I could have it for free. But then again I wouldnt get the beautifull Vista DVD Box
But seriously it would be very very nice and the box aint worth 400$.

Here is the link, I checked anyway my email but no email from microsoft. I have to forget this as soon as possible

http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=36175

Only 1 bug?!?!?

I bet you would find thousands

 

[topgun072003]

Thanks

But I will leave a small MAC OSX partition just for firmware updates.

I can imagine how beautiful vista will look on my Imac (hope I won't be dissapointed).

buy a PC if you want to run windows... Vista looks good ...its a cheap rip off of Tiger. My roommate is running Vista and its buggy. His headphone jack doesn't even work. If you only want to run vista why buy a imac...it looks good, but the os is what its about...this thread is ridiculous

 

[Max Payne]

So why exactly is this guy advertising windows **** in here. It's free too. His question is answered and from the 2nd post he wrote, all advertisment. He also said his english is bad, while I can see the opposite. God damn you M$ fanboys. You can't leave us alone.

I bet you don't even own a Mac. Now stop advertising and zune out. Go to the social or something.

Oh yeah win xp is *****, winn vista is ********.

 

[dextertangocci]

So why exactly is this guy advertising windows **** in here. It's free too. His question is answered and from the 2nd post he wrote, all advertisment. He also said his english is bad, while I can see the opposite. God damn you M$ fanboys. You can't leave us alone.

I bet you don't even own a Mac. Now stop advertising and zune out. Go to the social or something.

Oh yeah win xp is *****, winn vista is ********.

AMEN!!!!!!!

 

[Tony Gambino]

buy a PC if you want to run windows...

Nah, not yet (maybe for directx 10 gaming). I am happy with my Imac. I can run windows and mac. And if you read my previous posts I said I may try Leopard out when all features will be revealed and then decide which one to buy.

Vista looks good ...its a cheap rip off of Tiger. My roommate is running Vista and its buggy. His headphone jack doesn't even work. If you only want to run vista why buy a imac...it looks good, but the os is what its about...this thread is ridiculous

Ha ha , funny guy

Vista aint a cheap ripp off Tiger to me,
Vista RTM aint buggy on my Imac, no problems yet,
I didnt buy a mac to run Vista - are you stupid - read my posts before posting, please. I bought my first Imac 5 months ago only to run Mac OSX - but then I saw Vista and fell in love and the RTM already came out and thats why I switched back to Windows. And when leopard comes out I might switch back. And thats why an Imac and bootcamp is perfect for me. I choose Vista over XP and Tiger - its better for me (read my posts above why).

And I said Vista is not just about the look but the most important thing, beside performance, stability,... And is all good to now, no crash, no blue screen, speedy and still beatifull to me and a big difference over XP. You dont see it in 5 minutes but when you use some days you will see Vista is better over XP.

 

[Eidorian]

I bought my first Imac 5 months ago only to run Mac OSX - but then I saw Vista and fell in love and the RTM already came out and thats why I switched back to Windows. And when leopard comes out I might switch back. And thats why an Imac and bootcamp is perfect for me. I choose Vista over XP and Tiger - its better for me (read my posts above why).

And I said Vista is not just about the look but the most important thing, beside performance, stability,... And is all good to now, no crash, no blue screen, speedy and still beatifull to me and a big difference over XP. You dont see it in 5 minutes but when you use some days you will see Vista is better over XP.

Uh...why are you just interested in looks? Is there any reason that you use an operating system other then looks? Enjoy wasting your money and eye candy.

 

[Tony Gambino]

So why exactly is this guy advertising windows **** in here. It's free too. His question is answered and from the 2nd post he wrote, all advertisment. He also said his english is bad, while I can see the opposite. God damn you M$ fanboys. You can't leave us alone.

I bet you don't even own a Mac. Now stop advertising and zune out. Go to the social or something.

Oh yeah win xp is *****, winn vista is ********.

I cant belive what I just read And even that my english is good, but thanks for that ,And windows is free ,... all just ********

Do you belive this ******** you wrote?

You must be drunk or something - to think windows is free You got it wrong bro, Read it again when you sober

But I like what you wrote. Its really funny. I am not joking.

Without this

Oh yeah win xp is *****, winn vista is ********.

it would be the best post I read

 

[Tony Gambino]

Uh...why are you just interested in looks? Is there any reason that you use an operating system other then looks? Enjoy wasting your money and eye candy.

I think this sentences I wrote all in previous posts say it all. If you all dont get it now I give up and dont come back here and say what you want.



This is what I already wrote but will post it for all you again (all posts where I say what I like about Vista - to make it for all you clear that Aero isnt all I like, and that AERO can be as beatifull as it is but if the rest has problems Vista gets formatted) If you dont get it now only my bad english can be the problem or I am maybe really crazy.

You were all right about, that I cant see from pictures how Vista is.

VISTA IS AMAZING - better than I thought.

It so nice, professional and smooth, just AMAZING. And its not just AERO, everything looks so nice and clean. I love it. I couldnt stop smiling for about 5 minutes after the first log in into Vista. No hunting for drivers, it looked and sounded amazing. Even sleep works after the Imac Boot update. I love it!!!! I love the security, major upgrade from XP and User Account Control is perfect like on a Mac except I just need to click on allow it and not put my password in every time. Nothing like clicking 14 times to delete something or BS like that I heard. I run Vista for 2 days without a Antivirus program because there was no chance I could get one (except if someone would heck it but I dont belive someone will before Vista will be released). UAC always came up and put the alert right in front of every windows if something wanted to be installed from the internet or where ever. Its not annoying at all which I read. I hope it wont get hacked, because its just perfect for now, but only time will tell

Transparency is made very smart, I can have a 100 windows over a windows and it will not be a problem at all. No driver issues, no stability issues, no software compatibillity issues for the apps I wanted to install. Just Perfect

I love everything about Vista and its for sure worth the upgrade and the money. I will definately buy it and Office 2007 is amazing also. nothing like that out there.


And for people who said Vista is a slight upgrade to XP. I didnt know where to start when I logged into Vista for the first time. So many new things.
It looks very similar to XP but is a big difference between XP, A BIG DIFFERENCE - AND ITS NOT JUST AERO

For me all advantages the Mac had over Windows are gone with Vista (except security could be a problem when Vista is released). Thats because Windows copied a lot of what i like about Mac and in my opinion made it better and I dont care I dont work for apple and at the end it only matters to me which company makes the better product.


What I liked about Mac OSX and is now better or as good as in Vista

Speed - Vista is not slow at all, faster than XP, same as Mac OSX and same speed as working with universal apps. It even boots up at about the same time as mac osx

Stability - Very stabil not one crash even with drivers in beta and a lot of software not compatibile with Vista. Amazing! As on the Mac

Sleep - It works now beautifully in Vista as on the Mac due the Imac boot update yesterday, before it didnt when I tried but didnt expect it to work because it didnt on XP for me

Software & Games (what every windows user says what he doesnt like about mac )- More for Windows than Mac

Security (what every Mac user says to Windows users is better on Mac -
Macs security is very good of course, but Vistas security is a major upgrade form XP. I love UAC and if I wouldnt worry about people hacking Windows security (which I do, happened in the past and still does with XP and later versions I think) I wouldnt install an antivirus program or spyware program, because I am an experienced user and for sure would know when UAC alerts me and a virus would want to install itself, and I would just have to deny it. And I Love the protective mode in Internet explorer


GUI - I dont wanna go even there, I think everybody knows with a good System that will run Vista like my C2D Imac does, which is better, to some it doesnt matter to some its almost everything, but like I said if Vista would be slow in performance I would format it straight away

Search function is the same but didnt use it too much yet so I dont know in detail.

Flip 3d is better for me. because its 3d not 2d like in mac and you can scroll in3d through windows I love it. When you have a lot of windows open vistas way of expose is much better with the scrolling through windows in my opinion.

Sidebar is perfect for me because I didnt use it too much in Mac OSX and wouldnt be usefull in Vista also if it wouldnt be on the desktop. Its nice for feeds ( I see important headlines more often because its on the desktop) and things like that and also looks good, much better than in pictures I looked at first before trying Vista

Sidebar is now in Vista like in Mac OSX Finder is the same and you can add folders to it

Thats all I can think of at the moment


Whats Mac has and I cant use on Vista


I liked frontrow and would be nice if i could use the apple remote with Windows Media center but I think that will never happen.

Ilife is very good, liked it very much, but there is something similar for Windows for sure (not as good but similar) and some similar apps included in Ilife come with Vista for free


Thats all I can think of at the moment





There are so many things I like about Vista its for sure worth the upgrade no doubt in my opinion.I could write 5 pages about what I like. And the way vista handles problems is just amazing.

When I wanted to install apples keyboard support and the installation hung. It just automatically like in XP came a window to end the task and I was beside that copying something from a DVD and downloading something from the internet and defragmentation was running and search indexing (defragmentation and indexing slows down if you are doing a lot of things at the same time or pauses and continues automatically after you stop - I love it) Unlike Xp it just forced the installation to quit and everything else was still running, in xp all would start hanging or it would close every open program. And after that it tried to look for a solution to the problem over the internet - I love it.

And above I said I didnt have a problem with Vista I still mean it, it was nothing close to a problem. It solved everything automatically



And the bad things you all said about Vista could be maybe because you used betas and RC which had problems and I used the final RTM version. I am sure its that, there were a lot of inner windows builds between RC2 and the final RTM which were just in the windows labs but not released outside of windows (dont know how to explain this but its true I read it somewhere but cant remember where)



I feel kinda bad for using a software right now for free. Microsoft put a lot of work in it but hey it also took 5 years. (and it took 5 years because after 2 years they had to start from scratch and build Vista upon Windows 2003 Server and not Xp like they did the first 2 years because they screwed up something)

And the serch thing like spotlight on the mac was actually from windows I read but they couldnt make it to work and apple heard about it and put it into mac and made it to work and for the Widgets I am sure a lot of you know Apple took it from konfubulator.

All I am trying to say is apple does it the same as Microsoft it just looks like microsoft does it more often

I also have Office 2007 RTM Ultimate and its amazing, nothing like that out there. It suprised me how good it is. Most of all I like outlook and OneNote

You are right, if Mac OSX would come out I could go crazy about it. But I doubt I would stick with it in the long run over Vista. Like I said in the previous posts there is just something I like about windows and I miss it in OSX. I had that feeling since installing bootcamp after 3 months using only OSX but it didnt made me go back to XP because I hated the look of it and there were some other minore issues i had with XP on my mac which i didnt have on a pc - I wonder if apples drivers had somethibg to do with it.

With Vista now I think windows is almost perfect. It copied all I liked aout Mac. It improved where it was bad - security, stability, it doesnt make the computer run slow over time - with the superfetch technology and automatic schedule of hard drive defragmentation (i cant confirm that yet, I ony use it 2 days), no more hunting for drivers - It downloads them automatically via Windows update, and I also love Shadow copy which automatically makes a copy of your folders and files. You just have to right click on the folder - properties and you will see a tab to restore it to the previouse version - that is for files and folders only, and you still have system restore for the system - if you would have problems with the system.

And all my apps I need work with Vista, didnt try games out yet. i dont have a bad ting to say about Vista yet. Even the sound is better in quality I think but cant say for sure

If you look at the differenece between xp and vista in features and stability, performance, security, ... its a big difference in my opinion.

If you used a mac, you may think Vista just has a new look and has some little features, because the mac already has this similar features (Sidebar, Flip 3d...) and stability security, performance, ... ,

I look at it what Vista has over Xp, like I said I like the features Vista has copied a little bit more (Flip 3d, ...), and it improved in stability, performance - as good as xp, ... - but I will go to 64 bit when more native software for 64 bit comes out


And like I said to go with Vista was the best choice for me, because my software runs native not in emulation like on the mac, vista improved, and looks nice and I do websites and most people use internet explorer or firefox and I am not a fan of dual boot or parallels - for games it was no problem, but to shift my work from one OS to another would be, without an external HD and not fat32 formated HD

Vista aint a cheap ripp off Tiger to me,
Vista RTM aint buggy on my Imac, no problems yet,
I didnt buy a mac to run Vista - are you stupid - read my posts before posting, please. I bought my first Imac 5 months ago only to run Mac OSX - but then I saw Vista and fell in love and the RTM already came out and thats why I switched back to Windows. And when leopard comes out I might switch back. And thats why an Imac and bootcamp is perfect for me. I choose Vista over XP and Tiger - its better for me (read my posts above why).

And I said Vista is not just about the look but the most important thing, beside performance, stability,... And is all good to now, no crash, no blue screen, speedy and still beatifull to me and a big difference over XP. You dont see it in 5 minutes but when you use some days you will see Vista is better over XP.

Read it and understand or call me nuts, but please dont write anymore something about go and pay 400$ for AERO or why did you buy a mac for running windows.


And I still love Vista as on day one and no problems and same speedy and stabil. The only thing I dont like is the prize since I started to think more about how to get the money and compare it to other things. But will get the money and buy it anyway if Leopard will be just a slight upgrade from Tiger. Will see what I will do, i still have time and I wont buy both OS - to much money, I could almost get a PS3 for the cash of Vista? If I saw it right PS3 with 20GB disk cost a little more than 500$ and Vista 400$

But I dont really think I will switch to Leopard its just a joy to work in Vista and with Office 2007. I cant imagine to live without it anymore, especially One Note 2007 which is AMAZING I got all my work in one notebook and enjoy no emulation where I had to live with it in Tiger.

I know Office 2007 will be once available on a Mac and all apps will be universal and all that, but I dont care about that, I live & work today not tomorrow. (just in case if somebody will try to be smart again)

 

[wyrmintheapple]

Well, I must say my experience is not that Vista is worse than XP, definatley not shi**er as one poster put it. The O/S actually was built with some semblance of quality control, and large parts of it were rewrites (google "Jim Allchin" for info.

That said, It took 6?? years I think to actually implement quality control and code standards and get an OS that works properly. While that is applaudable, You are out of your mind if you think that its newfound stability even comes close to being on a par with Mac OS X.

This new code quality is in no small part the reason for all the features being delayed and canceled, which really means that Vista is simply a bug fixed XP with a fancy new interface.

Ignoring the fact that NOTHING in this new UI is new and all of its ideas and concepts have been in Aqua and xgl for a while. Aqua has the benefit of being more mature, and xgl on linux has efficience and low hardware requirements. Aero has neither. Massive hardware requirements for a GUI that can be compared to Mac OS X public beta.

Its a shame that someone so smart can be fooled by something so superficial. Someone at Microsoft basically sat down and said....

"Right then chaps, we've finished XP SP3, but nobodies buying Windows XP, we need something new to make people buy new copies all over again. What if we bolt son some of this 'transparency' stuff we saw in the Mac OS X beta. Users loved that. We'll just call it Vista, and now all those bugs and sloppy code are gone, we can say its more reliable........ the suckers will buy it by the millions....."

cue evil laughter

Seriously, I know alot of guys who wont buy Windows Vista because they know its XP with a superficial interface, and they wont be made a fool out of by Microsoft. We know consumers are lemmings, but those in the know really should make a stand.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_beta1_vs_tiger_01.asp
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1842175,00.asp
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/09/05/36FEbattlevista_1.html
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/105644.asp

Here are some non-apple and non apple-fan sites really showing how far behind the tech press think vista is.

Basically, you've been conned like a sucker and gone and bought like a lemming. And you've gotten for yourself XP all over again with some bug fixes and some superficial fancy graphics.

I mean, You can like it all you want, and it IS better, and it IS prettier than XP, but seriously, when the worlds press thinks it's not as good as tiger, when switchers think its not as good as tiger, and when we all think its not as good as tiger, Every flawed reason you come up with as to why you like it just makes you appear more and more of a joke.

And then, the funniest (and dumbest tbh) thing you did, was post this whole thing on a Macintosh fan site???
And then proceed to argue the case over 5 pages of posts.


I think you need to head on over to Windowsrumors.com

 

[Tony Gambino]

Well, I must say my experience is not that Vista is worse than XP, definatley not shi**er as one poster put it. The O/S actually was built with some semblance of quality control, and large parts of it were rewrites (google "Jim Allchin" for info.

Nothing new to me

That said, It took 6?? years I think to actually implement quality control and code standards and get an OS that works properly. While that is applaudable, You are out of your mind if you think that its newfound stability even comes close to being on a par with Mac OS X.

I had no problem with stability yet with drivers in beta and no NEW software made for Vista I use
On Mac OSX I had a lot of small apps which were not stable and slow and were Universal. I know that has nothing to do with Tiger but the developers who build this apps

This new code quality is in no small part the reason for all the features being delayed and canceled, which really means that Vista is simply a bug fixed XP with a fancy new interface.

Ignoring the fact that NOTHING in this new UI is new and all of its ideas and concepts have been in Aqua and xgl for a while. Aqua has the benefit of being more mature, and xgl on linux has efficience and low hardware requirements. Aero has neither. Massive hardware requirements for a GUI that can be compared to Mac OS X public beta.

More mature? I saw some inconsistency in Aquas UI. Some apps were in metal brushed, and some the new Aqua look. I had always a different UI depended on the app.

I read its a good thing that the UI uses the GPU because the processor is free and doesnt do it which means Vista is more stable because of that than XP which didnt do that. And I like it since I got a good enough Video Card and can take advantage of it. And which I already said I had minor issues in xp with windows dragging showing tails which i dont have with vista

Its a shame that someone so smart can be fooled by something so superficial. Someone at Microsoft basically sat down and said....

"Right then chaps, we've finished XP SP3, but nobodies buying Windows XP, we need something new to make people buy new copies all over again. What if we bolt son some of this 'transparency' stuff we saw in the Mac OS X beta. Users loved that. We'll just call it Vista, and now all those bugs and sloppy code are gone, we can say its more reliable........ the suckers will buy it by the millions....."

cue evil laughter

WTF?

Seriously, I know alot of guys who wont buy Windows Vista because they know its XP with a superficial interface, and they wont be made a fool out of by Microsoft. We know consumers are lemmings, but those in the know really should make a stand.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_beta1_vs_tiger_01.asp
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1842175,00.asp
http://www.infoworld.com/article/05/09/05/36FEbattlevista_1.html
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/105644.asp

Here are some non-apple and non apple-fan sites really showing how far behind the tech press think vista is.

I wont read it because I read enough and know what to thing and got Vista running with no problems and I am more productive in Vista than in tiger at the moment

Basically, you've been conned like a sucker and gone and bought like a lemming. And you've gotten for yourself XP all over again with some bug fixes and some superficial fancy graphics.

I mean, You can like it all you want, and it IS better, and it IS prettier than XP, but seriously, when the worlds press thinks it's not as good as tiger, when switchers think its not as good as tiger, and when we all think its not as good as tiger, Every flawed reason you come up with as to why you like it just makes you appear more and more of a joke.

To make the better end ..., everybody will swith to a mac

Man I am a reall joke. For sure everyone in the world who will or did try Vista RTM or XP and Tiger has gone or will to tiger or Leopard.

And then, the funniest (and dumbest tbh) thing you did, was post this whole thing on a Macintosh fan site???

Nah I just asked a question and you people couldnt leave the Windows Mac thing alone

And then proceed to argue the case over 5 pages of posts.

I didnt argue at first because I didnt try it and didnt let me convince from all you to not try Vista - 2 people maybe only said do what you want (that would be stupid-let myself convince from a mac guy). I just said what I read and loved from pictures will try it out for sure and never said Vista is good or amazing before I tried it. I just said I will see how it is.

And after I tried it

Yeah I am just the kind of guy and dont give a **** if its a mac site or windows site.

I saw other threads here about people needing help on installing Vista RTM and there threads didnt go as far as this one

I know why they didnt go so far, because when they asked why is he installing it, why is he not staying with a mac the guy said "Oh trust me I know how beautifull and good Mac Tiger is but ...." And the case was closed. But I started about talking what I saw in Vistas pictures

I think you need to head on over to Windowsrumors.com

 

[Tony Gambino]

Only 1 bug?!?!?

I bet you would find thousands

... in leopard. And thats why they dont have a beta program like MS and dont give it for free. Only to developers who paid Just joking