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Vista as the only OS on a C2D Imac
- Thread starter Tony Gambino
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I dont know why some of you want to argue that vista is just xp with a new user interface and bug fixes.
Lets look at the mac, was 10.3 to 10.4 a big upgrade? Oh no I forgot it has 200 new features. Of course it was. 7 of this 200 are already just in the dvd player tiger comes with. Like a sound equalizer. Wow!
Apple knows how to market things and make you switch to the new OS
I bet the way apple counts those features Vista has far far far more over xp.
And say what you want, Vista has for sure more features (the way apple counts them) over XP
Lets look at the mac, was 10.3 to 10.4 a big upgrade? Oh no I forgot it has 200 new features. Of course it was. 7 of this 200 are already just in the dvd player tiger comes with. Like a sound equalizer. Wow!
Apple knows how to market things and make you switch to the new OS
I bet the way apple counts those features Vista has far far far more over xp.
And say what you want, Vista has for sure more features (the way apple counts them) over XP
Because, unfortunately, Vista doesn't eliminate any of the real fundamental problems with Windows. The registry is still there. I've seen no indication that they've been able to eliminate DLL Hell (every OS from MS since Windows 98 has claimed to eliminate DLL Hell but none has succeeded).
IMHO Microsoft needs to take the bold steps that Mac OS has taken from OS 9 to OS X and provide backwards compatibility through a sandbox rather than trying to build on a flawed foundation merely for the sake of backwards compatibility.
You can slap a new coat of paint on a rotten structure, but it doesn't make it any less rotten
EDIT: That's not to say it won't be enough better to justify the upgrade cost. It's just not worth giving up OS X for.
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WOW
EDIT: You are all talking really bad about windows - like its the biggest **** OS out there. But in fact the most used OS. Why are so many people still using Windows then? Why is not everybody running to a mac than? And why are people going back from Mac to Windows like me - I know I am not the only one who worked in Mac and Windows and later decided to go to windows back for now.
I still dont regret it
Haha
You could say it already when I first posted after I tried Vista.
But again I have still time more than 100 days when I need to activate Vista and decide what to do. A lot can change in that time. And I will still take a look at Leopard. (I said that before)
I dont hate mac or dont like it - maybe it started to like in the last posts but it was a little going on my nerves. Because you were all talking like mac is perfect (which isnt yet) and vista is **** (which also isnt perfect but in my case better for now - like I can enjoy working without emulation and a bigger software choice (like office 2007 which I love and Iwork 06 doesnt come even close - and Office 2004 I can forget on a mac because of Emulation), and it improved in stability, performance (and you can say what you want - I dont have a problem in Vista and its as fast as a Mac on boot up - it takes some second longer for start up because of antivirus program but I can live with and the software I used runs way faster on Vista
, for now ). And I tried Vista and see and feel all thisAnd I am not missing the point if its worth the upgrade or choose it over OSX Tiger. In my case it is and I choose Vista over XP or MAC OSX (because of what I said above) and AERO means a lot to me but not everything. (There are still other things I look at and mean a lot, like what I said above and performance, stability,... (what I said a lot of times).
And theres nothing wrong with having Vista - the prize I think wont go down or if it will for not much, some months ago I looked how much XP Pro still costs and was shocked its still so much with Vista around the corner. And who knows when a mac will have a directx 10 card. That alone would be worth the upgrade. Directx 10 games look like next generation games. And I already said I read Vista has an update folder on the dvd where I can throw hotfixes or service packs in and burn it
i think I got tired Of Tiger and think because of Rosetta and some small apps I mentioned before are universal but not stable and slow (like when scrolling in this apps the text and all goes away and I have to wait some seconds before it comes back)
And I dont have any of those problems in Vista and enjoy working in it still to today as on day one. Not slower or anything like I felt in Xp the next day after moving some files and installing some apps, clicked on My computer and had to wait but not in Vista - the window opens in a second
I have of 224 GB only 105 GB left
I know the Mac will grow and more and more software will be available sooner and no more PPC apps and so on (like I said before Mac has come a long way - when I saw the translucent windows you mentioned the Mac already had and gave it up because of usability and to me it looked like **** in my opinion and was to early with that kind of UI they had. I wouldnt like transluscent on Windows Classic also. And that was in 2001 I think and now looks different.
I would love to see a new GUI in Leopard or at least some choices to change the GUI a little bit like Vista has it. (I dont like blindfolds or apps like this always have problems with them.)
Like all things you buy from Apple have a beatifull design. I like the design of all products but Mac OS hasnt got it. They should work on it I think but you all may disagree because you all love everything about the mac (at least it looks like)
And more and more universal and stable and not slow apps and change the interface from apps like Adobe photoshop or Filemaker Pro which was awfull and got deleted at the moment when I tried the demo of Filemaker pro 8.5. I like the interface in windows more, in adobe photoshop I tried for mac and windows and in windows its just more userfriendly the way it is done
Yeah Lets stop this thread for good. It didnt change my mind too much but I dont feel like I wasted my time - there were some good points.
LOL.
Not to mention the huge library of Windows apps, many of which are not available for any other OS. This, IMHO, is actually the best reason to want to run Windows. When you have an app, even Office 2007 or AutoCAD that you really want or need to run. I have a lot more respect for your decision since there is an app other than IE or WMP involved...
FWIW, I'm actually on my Dell right now, so it's not like I abhor Windows, but for all of Vista's prettiness it's just like putting lipstick on a pig if they don't fix what's really wrong with it, and there's plenty wrong with Windows.
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LOL.
Not to mention the huge library of Windows apps, many of which are not available for any other OS. This, IMHO, is actually the best reason to want to run Windows. When you have an app, even Office 2007 or AutoCAD that you really want or need to run. I have a lot more respect for your decision since there is an app other than IE or WMP involved...
FWIW, I'm actually on my Dell right now, so it's not like I abhor Windows, but for all of Vista's prettiness it's just like putting lipstick on a pig if they don't fix what's really wrong with it, and there's plenty wrong with Windows.
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Thats some funny shhit
I've now made it the wallpaper for my Vista RC2 install in Parallels on my iMac as a reminder.Thats some funny shhit
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I've now made it the wallpaper for my Vista RC2 install in Parallels on my iMac as a reminder.
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It should be the default wallpaper for people who install the final Vista on a mac with bootcamp or parallels to remind them when they think Vista is flawless its just a pig with lipstick over xp
Would love to belive it but I dont. Not yet .
I clicked on that link when I read the first page you linked to. I kinda dont get it. I re read it but dont get it (I dont understand that english they use- too high for me)
I understand what microsoft does somehow with that "Embrace extend and extinguish" but dont know what it has to do with people not going to a mac. It must be me but the Embrace extend and extinguish" strategy if I got it right is about microsoft always making it as good or better than the competition and you all say Microsoft didnt do it with vista? Vistas stability still isnt even close to Macs and rotten structure and so on...
So you maybe think Microsoft put Vista out with that Embrace extend and extinguish" strategy in mind and people like me dont see it and so on and think Vista is amazing and dont even look at the smaller companies product or switch back. Something like that?
I know all that and thats why I am testing Vista now and its still good without problems and think its not a small upgrade from xp
I know Microsoft is not a good company. I dont like them and I dont hate them - but I like the products thats all what matters and I am not a company fighting for market power with Mocrosoft
I look at Mac OSX as a young OS which has problems but potential to being a great OS like software choise and now emulation with the switch to Intel and some compatibility issues with the browser Safari (which is faster than IE, but the pages in IE look different than in Safari and Safari is not compatible with all websites, and thats one reason again why I choose Vista over Mac OSX for now because I am doing website design and dual booting for work is not an option (for games it isnt a problem, and i dont like Parallels) and dreamweaver 8 works only with Rosetta, and so on ...
And most people use IE
Again all those things just pointed to me to use windows for now but hated xp and when I saw Vista and knew the RTM is out it was my first thought to delete mac and use only Vista. And now I dont have the problem working slow in ppc apps which most were i used or dual booting and checking how the page looks in IE and so on ... It was the best choice for me for now. I said it many times and I hope you all get it. And I dont have in Vista any prooblem with stability or whaatever - I am happy and wont regret it.
And mac users who say - yeah everyone who used windows talks about the little software choice on a mac and blah blah blah - Its just important and what is a great OS without a good software choice or slow software or small developers who produce universal apps but have problems in stability and are slow - not much of a use. I am sure its not that bad for everybody but i had the bad luck that all software I used for work is PPC and most smaller universal apps had problems
And coming from windows to a mac if you just look at the software and nothing else the same as going from a fast computer to a slow computer - you wouldnt be happy because its a downgrade you are not used too it and nobody likes when he already has something better to go down to the worse -- If you know what I mean
Really. These people almost seemed to be following a script. As in maybe they are paid by MS to spread propaganda in known Mac forums.
Just weird like that to me, after reading the first couple posts, it sounded funny.
Really. These people almost seemed to be following a script. As in maybe they are paid by MS to spread propaganda in known Mac forums.
Just weird like that to me, after reading the first couple posts, it sounded funny.
Now its not just me anymore who is acting like he is hired by MS you think?
Tony Gambino said:
Tony Gambino said:
Basically, with IE, Microsoft made ActiveX to break compatibility with Netscape (i.e. Netscape couldn't use ActiveX, nor can any other current browser) because MS didn't like the fact that Netscape had more market share than IE. MS poured $$$ into ActiveX, and a lot of other sites started using ActiveX, thus forcing more people to use IE. Soon afterwards, Netscape was in the toilet.
I believe if there was a fair choice, and nobody was forced to use any OS because of compatibility, then I think most of the world would not want to choose MS.
Now I get it and know what you mean why not everybody is using a mac.
Thanks for the clarification (if thats the right word)
If thats all true, thats very bad what MS did and should go to court.
I know they were at court in the EU I guess it was something similar to that than and had to pay a fine. I read about it but never knew what it was really all about
Unfortunately the history of Microsoft's Embrace and Extend isn't one of make it as good or better. It's one of make it seem just as good, include it "for free", and tweak it just enough so as to be incompatible with the standards it's supposed to be embracing. (And make the extensions the defaults so as to lock out others).
MS Java is a key example of this. MS introduced their own version of it, that didn't have all the features of Sun's implementation, but included a number of Windows only "extensions" which went counter to the original intent of Java as a cross-platform environment.
Another example of this is all the IE only web pages that have been created over the years, because MS has not produced a W3C standards based browser. (IE7 is much better in this regard than it's predecessors, but it still can't pass ACID2).
That said, again, IE7 does some things right, and I actually prefer the UI in some places to Firefox 2 or Safari, but the core functionality stinks.
EDIT: OOH I didn't even think about ActiveX in this context, but it's a valid point.
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I got it with the example above from zephead that its not about making it better or free or ... but making a new default standart and locking the competition out and microsoft can do it with the market power. They must have felt really smart when they used the "Embrace extend and extinguish" strategy for the first time.
Now I also know what the PDF against microsofts new XPS in Vista was all about. I guess Microsft wanted to make it a new standart but dont know if it will happen this time. At first it was supposed to be in Office 2007 as a standart but now you have to download it as an Add on and same for PDF you have to download it if you want to convert your documents into one of this formats.
It somehow makes me hate Microsoft and I dont know what I would do if I would be a company fighting for marketshare with a product and then microsoft would do this.
It makes me like Vista less and less
No I am just joking but it makes me hope for Leopard being a big suprise somehowI never thought Microsoft is these bad. Now I understand why some hate Microsoft
EDIT: I somehow wish I didnt read this because the more and more I think about it the more it changes how I look at it. But the truth had to be said. And I dont want to give a company like that my money. But anyway I have to keep a clear mind and think whats best for me. I alone cant change it.
This is somehow above to what I said earlier " To me it only matters which company makes the better product" because this is not fair and I dont want to support a company like that with my money. Maybe Pirate Vista?
Microsoft aint worth my money But I read on so many forums when I looked for a leaked Vista RTM that its going to be hard to crack.Just joking I am not that bad. I know how I would feel if I would be a developer and in that case I would do anything to shut down Torrent Sites - I cant belive they still exist, Its all pirated on those sites
in defence to the OP,
he simply asked if it's possible.
what he got in return wasen't an answer, but flame grenades.
i understand that his reasoning was stupid, and he has the same problem as what most men also have in attraction. being pretty is only a small fraction of what makes people like something.
personally, i tried windows vista rc2, with the graphical effects disabled (because i can't enable it ) and i find it a sound OS. it feels comfortable to be in, and i'm having no problems in using it on my computer. there's no major annoyance that i see yet, except for the fact that it's not OSX.
does that mean i'm not going to use OSX ever again, definitly not. i still like OSX more, and i'm planning on ditching windows gradually.
Now, to the OP. by posting 3 times in a row you are trolling. and you know, this is a mac forum right? the only way this is possible is to install windows alongside osx, and then delete the osx partition. i'm not sure if it's going to screw up the booting though.
he simply asked if it's possible.
what he got in return wasen't an answer, but flame grenades.
i understand that his reasoning was stupid, and he has the same problem as what most men also have in attraction. being pretty is only a small fraction of what makes people like something.
personally, i tried windows vista rc2, with the graphical effects disabled (because i can't enable it
) and i find it a sound OS. it feels comfortable to be in, and i'm having no problems in using it on my computer. there's no major annoyance that i see yet, except for the fact that it's not OSX.does that mean i'm not going to use OSX ever again, definitly not. i still like OSX more, and i'm planning on ditching windows gradually.
Now, to the OP. by posting 3 times in a row you are trolling. and you know, this is a mac forum right? the only way this is possible is to install windows alongside osx, and then delete the osx partition. i'm not sure if it's going to screw up the booting though.
Ha Ha
You are again just talking about AERO. I am sure you didnt read my latest posts. I didnt switch back just for AERO but productivity working without software emulation and so on ...
I meant going back to Windows not just Vista. And I know people who were on xp tried tiger and went back to windows after a couple of months - thats what I meant, and please dont try to argue with me on this
Edit: When I saw AERO it just made me look at windows again, and with some problems gone (better security, stability and performance) and no software emulation for the apps I use which were all PPC apps on a Mac. Thats why I use Vista now because I am more productive and is a joy to work in it.
I couldnt stand XP, it went on my nerves and the slowness after some days of use.
If your apps are paid software, does that mean you had to buy separate Windows versions of all your apps just because you didn't want to run them with Rosetta?Tony Gambino said: