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Who is seriously think about to go away from Apple?

  • to Windows

    Votes: 33 13.9%
  • to Linux

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • everything ok. stay with Apple

    Votes: 137 57.8%
  • im frustrated and stay with Apple

    Votes: 59 24.9%

  • Total voters
    237

jblagden

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I'll agree with you on that it can work for some not for others, I'm definitely in the 'others' category and I'm finding a mish-mash works best as no single eco-system has it all (at least for my needs).

Apple's fell short for my uses but it was not all Apple's fault the biggest driver was compatibility with works software and whilst I initially boot camped (even had parallels), the drivers were not always the best and the fans, trackpad and battery life became a frustration and then the Surface was announced which was the product I've been waiting for.

I jumped back to M$ eco-system buying: SP2, Lumia 1520 and Xbox One with Onedrive and OneNote this was all brilliant and suited my productivity needs, but as you know WP10 is in declining and unless this Surface phone is a beast (if it is even released) I'm having to break the eco-system and get a IOS or Andriod phone, this is easier as now M$ is making good apps for office, OneNote and Onedrive on other devices.

The phone that currently ticks all the boxes for me is the expensive Note 7 but I'm waiting on the wearables (gear 3 vs Apple watch 2) to make my final decision as for me Apple have the better overall leisure setup and I'm happy to go iPhone +, watch 2, Apple TV and Ipad combination as those devices work well together.

When it's all said and done it could end up as
M$ SP4 or SP5 (main computer)
Note 7 and Gear 3 or Big iPhone + Watch 2
Ipad, Apple TV, ITunes - Leisure
What'll you do about the missing iPhone headphone jack?
 

smallcoffee

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Sounds all very edgy and hi tech, but clearly spoken by a non engineering person. Anyone worth their salt knows that you don't use wifi over ethernet just for the sake of having wifi, if not for security reasons then for utter lack of integrity and reliability and throughput of your connection.

The future is not a sci-fi novel where you can make up stories of utopian technology that never fails or tangles, the future is what WORKS, and what works well is wires for the most part and wireless when wired is impracticable or impossible (cell phone, wifi) - reality is that wires are "honest" design - simple, cheap and VISIBLE - you see them, their physical presence and connection assures you they are there and you know what's connected to what without any hassle.

Only a stupid designer eliminates tried and tested, solid ways of doing things in exchange for an overly complex replacement which achieves the same goals, just because it's their fantasy.

Lol, I'm a software researcher. If you actually had a security concern about wifi, then just buy a different laptop or buy the adapter. But you don't have a security concern and neither do the vast majority of people. Wifi is perfectly fine for just about anybody. If you have a concern then ethernet isn't going to stop a would-be attacker.

Lack of imagination makes one a poor engineer. Anybody can just do what has been "working" over and over again. Innovation comes from those with vision and questioning the status quo.
 

D.T.

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Sep 15, 2011
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I'm not familiar. What kind of limits do you face with choice of applications?

It's really very specific to your needs. For what I'd call "general computing", there's plenty of [mostly] free options. Browsers, media players/servers, utilities, loads of open development options, plus even free "office apps".

However, there are very specific tools, some products from vertical markets, some "pro" apps that require operation in a specific workflow, that aren't available, so you have to pursue the OS that supports those.

The thing I like about OSX, is it gives me a 'unix' core/utilities/flexbility, combined with access to commercial software, combined with a single source channel, supporting both the hardware _and_ software. Plus, it makes a terrific host OS for virtualization. I've got a few flavors of Linux and Winders© VMs (under Parallels, sometimes two are run concurrently), and one of those (Win10) is actually a Bootcamp install, so when I need to run right on-the-metal, I'm switched over in < 30 seconds.

FWIW, I've been using some *NIX flavor since the early 90s, and still continue on the server side, but greatly prefer Apple for my client OS when I factor in everything (hardware, software, support, warranty ...)
 
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I've been watching you from the woods..I know lots of things about you

Unlikely, you'd be sitting there for a day trying to type pages of bash commands to get a WiFi signal up and connected, and then your ACPI would misbehave, causing premature battery drain, ending your spying mission pretty fast...

sudo modprobe, ndiswrapper and lsmod aren't your friends when you're hiding in someone's garden trying to spy on 'em, hehe :)

:p

;)
 

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I expect it’ll be useful for compiling Swift programs for Windows, which would make Swift worthwhile to learn for work.

I think MS will be making Swift a native language in one of the upcoming VSes here soon, so you don't necessarily need bash just for it. I could imagine it'd be good for more overall generic development work, though.
 
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D.T.

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Out of curiosity, what's your take on the bash shell for Windows?

I think the idea is great and the implementation [so far] looks good (outstanding bugs notwithstanding).

If Windows was my primary OS (vs. OSX), and I was as engaged with same amount of open source development, I would _love_ this. I really dig on the Windows <> Unix interoperability, being able to easily use tools/services from either OS. I think it's very telling in terms of MS's (and Nadella's) new outlook on technology (look at opensource .NET, SQL on Linux, cross platform Azure services).
 
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Out of curiosity, what's your take on the bash shell for Windows?
Bash shell for windows... -_-

I don't know what to despair of first, in regards to Microsoft. Nothing wrong with bash shells, EVERYTHING mixed up and shaken all about at Redmond - what planet are they on THIS month?
 

Renzatic

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Bash shell for windows... -_-

I don't know what to despair of first, in regards to Microsoft. Nothing wrong with bash shells, EVERYTHING mixed up and shaken all about at Redmond - what planet are they on THIS month?

Apparently the one where they're finally giving people what they want, rather than trying to corner the market so people won't have any other choice but to use them. It's a kinder, friendlier MS, and you can't help but feel that it's one of the signs of the apocalypse.

I don't use bash myself. I can use it, somewhat, given that I do have a modicum of Linux experience, but it's not that exciting of a thing to me. That said, I do know enough to realize it's potentially a pretty big deal for developers, and can undercut one of the bigger advantages of OSX/Linux from a pure programming standpoint, given that it provides access to tools commonly used in 'nix environments that you could only previously get janky equivalents thereof in Windows.
 
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Apparently the one where they're finally giving people what they want, rather than trying to corner the market so people won't have any other choice but to use them. It's a kinder, friendlier MS, and you can't help but feel that it's one of the signs of the apocalypse.

I don't use bash myself. I can use it, somewhat, given that I do have a modicum of Linux experience, but it's not that exciting of a thing to me. That said, I do know enough to realize it's potentially a pretty big deal for developers, and can undercut one of the bigger advantages of OSX/Linux from a pure programming standpoint, given that it provides access to tools commonly used in 'nix environments that you could only previously get janky equivalents thereof in Windows.

But... Windows isn't based around unix AT ALL, so its inclusion is awkward at best, and utterly bizarre.
 

Three141

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What'll you do about the missing iPhone headphone jack?

The removal won't have any impact on my choice, I've ordered a bluetooth headset which I plan to use.

Lack of USB-C would be more of an issue as I see everything heading that way.
 

Renzatic

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But... Windows isn't based around unix AT ALL, so its inclusion is awkward at best, and utterly bizarre.

From what I'm gathering, it's really more about the fact that all the OSes now have a common CL syntax and set of programs to work with.

Bash on Windows only goes as deep as the file directory, so you won't be doing OS level administrative work from it like you could on OSX or 'nix. But that's not really the point of it. It's more about providing a consistent software development environment that's entirely platform independent.
 
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From what I'm gathering, it's really more about the fact that all the OSes now have a common CL syntax and set of programs to work with.

Bash on Windows only goes as deep as the file directory, so you won't be doing OS level administrative work from it like you could on OSX or 'nix. But that's not really the point of it. It's more about providing a consistent software development environment that's entirely platform independent.

More like an admission of Microsoft's ineptitude.
 
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I use Apple, Linux, and Windows. I have to admit Windows improved over the last seven or eight years; however, I really can't do without any of them. So I guess I'll keep using all three.

Now that's a sensible reply, you have the same outlook as me :)
 

sorcery

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No plans to leave.
Had a brief fling with the Surface pro 2, when I still needed a particular windows legacy program. Found W8.1 fine, the device chunky but o.k. Deal breaker was its reluctance to access older wifi routers in hotels and airports.
 
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