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MP 7,1 W5700X Release
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I'm seeing an occasional (let's say about 0-1 times a day) single frame flash of (seemingly) random noise pixels on my Pro Display XDR since upgrading to the W5700X (from the default 580). I cannot correlate it with any particular activity, and I've double-checked the cable and connectors (and tried a different Thunderbolt port on the card — currently using the one furthest away from the HDMI socket).
I've connected to the Bus 1 slots on the W5700X as the HDMI port can away some resources from Bus 0 (even though currently no HDMI device is connected).
Some system report info (other TB busses are empty)
- Thunderbolt Bus 1
- Firmware Version 55.2
- Port (connected to XDR):
- Speed: Up to 40 Gb/s x1
- Cable Firmware Version: 1.24.0
- Link Controller Firmware Version: 1.41.0
Has anyone seen something similar?
I've connected to the Bus 1 slots on the W5700X as the HDMI port can away some resources from Bus 0 (even though currently no HDMI device is connected).
Some system report info (other TB busses are empty)
- Thunderbolt Bus 1
- Firmware Version 55.2
- Port (connected to XDR):
- Speed: Up to 40 Gb/s x1
- Cable Firmware Version: 1.24.0
- Link Controller Firmware Version: 1.41.0
Has anyone seen something similar?
Sorry if this has already been asked before: does somebody have noticed increased noise and/or temperature upgrading from the base 580X for normal non-GPU intensive operation?
^^^^ 205 watts for W5700X versus 150 for 580X, so if both are going flat out you'd expect, potentially, a little more fan action from the former. But if you need that from the W5700X, it's a moot point—if both cards are doing the same work load, I suppose they'd be pretty close to the same power dissipation. They have no fans themselves, so power dissipation and resulting system cooling are the only factors.
Pretty much anything in your office with a fan is to be louder. In my dead-silent office with nothing else turned on, I can't hear hear my Mac two feet away, I can at one foot away.
I don't expect there is any practical difference in noise level between the two cards.
Pretty much anything in your office with a fan is to be louder. In my dead-silent office with nothing else turned on, I can't hear hear my Mac two feet away, I can at one foot away.
I don't expect there is any practical difference in noise level between the two cards.
I upgraded from 580X to W5700X and I'd say it's quieter. The same under normal circumstances but it takes more to make the fans spin up with the W5700X. Although my 580X had a fault which causes some graphics glitches so I'm not sure that would be the same for everyone, I think it makes sense since it has twice the performance but only 33% higher power draw.
How can you get the temperature and WATTAGE usage of the W5700 in iStats Menu, can't find it...
I wanted to post my experiences in the hope this can help a person struggling with this in the future. Because I wasted days on it. So, I got a base-configuration Mac Pro a couple weeks ago. I really wanted the W5700X but I got a good deal on the base config, to the point where I didn't lose any money to just order the W5700X from Apple at $1000 instead of the $600 it costs to include it in a custom build.
Anyway, the card came (from China, and impressively quickly, thanks UPS), I installed it, and of course the first thing I did was go to About This Mac to see what card it said I had installed now. Machine locked up immediately. This was repeatable. I contacted Apple, who couldn't figure it out (didn't try very hard to be honest), and just told me to send the card back and order another one. I had hoped that they'd next-day me one from their stock, but no.
So the second card came, from China, even more impressively quickly than the first one. (Shipped from Shanghai on June 17, and was delivered to me, in rural western North Carolina, TWO DAYS LATER, on June 19. All for $8. The day it was delivered it started out in Alaska. I thought there was no chance for a delivery but I was wrong. I digress...)
Second card did EXACTLY the same thing. I was convinced that the computer must be defective. But then, in a moment of inspiration, I decided to hook up the screen differently. I had been hooking it via a DisplayPort to USB-C cable to the "built-in" Thunderbolt ports at the top of the computer. I tried using HDMI to the port on the W5700X and no lock up! Now, this is an older 4K screen, and the HDMI on it does not support 60Hz (only 30), so I would not want to run it like that, but still, it worked! Then I tried it by DisplayPort to one of the Thunderbolt ports on the W5700X and it also worked, at 30Hz. But only two ports on the card worked... the other two displayed only the boot screen but no desktop. I hooked back up to an upper port to make sure that the problem hadn't somehow resolved, and it still locked up. Also, I forgot to say earlier, when I would leave the Mac running for a while (obviously without clicking the things that made it lock up), it would eventually lock up on its own anyway. Also, running System Information and clicking Graphics/Displays would cause a lockup every time.
The screen which was, apparently, causing the lockups was a Dell UP2414Q, an old (2014) 4K screen. More on this later.
Inspired, I tried a different screen. This time, an HP 5K screen model Z27Q, needing two DisplayPort to USB-C cables. This screen worked perfectly, at 60Hz, no lockups, no matter where it was connected! I was so upset because that was the screen I was going to really use with the computer anyway. I was only using the Dell for testing. I also left the computer running with the HP screen overnight and it never locked up.
Finally, I tried a newer Dell 4K screen, a P2415Q. This also worked perfectly no matter where connected.
I should add that for a long time I suspected Thunderbolt firmware to be the issue. I thought what was on the W5700X was older than what the computer had. Turns out I was reading the System Information screen wrong... bus 0 and 1 are on the card (as someone in this thread stated) and 2 and 3 are the upper built-in ports. My W5700X ports have 55.2 and the built-in ports have 49.4. The firmware for the built-in ports never updated, despite me clean reinstalling macOS, applying combo updates, and zapping NVRAM. It seems to me that 49.4 is the correct, current version and that's that. QUESTION: Does anyone have any higher version running for bus 2 or 3?
Anyway, the moral of the story: Somehow, the Dell UP2414Q had the power to lock up my computer when using the W5700X and connecting via DisplayPort to upper Thunderbolt ports (it did not happen with the original 580X installed, running from the same upper ports). My theory is that it has to do with the fact that this screen is an early 4K screen, using a technology called MST (multi-stream transport), instead of the newer ones which use SST (single-stream transport). That may have nothing to do with it; maybe it is just this particular model or even my particular copy of the model. To truly test the theory I'd need to connect a wide range of MST and SST screens to test, and I don't have a wide range of those screens.
As I said, I hope this helps someone. Likely, the combination of a modern Mac Pro running with a crusty old screen is an uncommon configuration, which would explain why my Google searches yielded nothing.
I'm not now actually using the upper ports for my real config (with the HP 5K screen). Since I originally started my testing with the 580X, I had to use the built-in ports since that card doesn't have any. Then, once I installed the W5700X, I just kept using those ports. Regardless, even using the ports on the card doesn't really work for the old Dell screen. Interesting diagrams, thanks.
I have a 7,1 on order, I am planning to connect (3) NEC PA271Q 27" monitors to it when it arrives (3rd one just came in). I ordered the Mac Pro with the W5700X. The monitors are identical to this listing: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1416626-REG/nec_pa271q_bk_27_color_critical_desktop.html
They are only 2K QHD monitors. Is there any reason I should not be able to connect all three monitors to three separate TB3 connectors on the W5700X card itself? All the monitors will have Display Port connectors.
They are only 2K QHD monitors. Is there any reason I should not be able to connect all three monitors to three separate TB3 connectors on the W5700X card itself? All the monitors will have Display Port connectors.
Hey guys, I wrote about this in a separate thread but I wonder if any of you are experiencing this.
I’ve got a brand new MP (12 core, W5700X GPU) and ProDisplay XDR with screen flicker (screen goes dark about two times) and momentary resizing that only happens during login (at the end of the load in progress bar). From what I understand users with Vega’s etc don’t have this going on. I’ve reached out to Apple support without a resolution as of yet.
I’ve got a brand new MP (12 core, W5700X GPU) and ProDisplay XDR with screen flicker (screen goes dark about two times) and momentary resizing that only happens during login (at the end of the load in progress bar). From what I understand users with Vega’s etc don’t have this going on. I’ve reached out to Apple support without a resolution as of yet.
Run the AGDCDiagnose command and compare EFI boot graphics settings with macOS setting (maybe the XDR doesn't do 6K during EFI for Navi type GPUs?)
Ive never done this before and had to google. is this the relevant text? Sorry I have no idea what it means perhaps you could enlighten me. It does appear to show 4k resolution though.
thanks.
### Start: EFIDisplayInfo ####################################################
Dumping EFI data for GPU Path IOService:/AppleACPIPlatformExpert/PC01@0/AppleACPIPCI/BR1A@0/IOPP/EGP0@0/IOPP/EGP1@0/IOPP/GFX0@0
GraphicsDisplaySetup:
Version 65536
ConnectorNumber 1
AvailableLanes 4
AvailableBitRate 8100
DisplayRestoredFromNVRAM 0
HibernateWake 0
DP Configuration
Version: 65537
Mode: 0
BitRate: 3
Lanes: 4
CommonVoltage: 0
CommonPreEmphasis: 0
CommonPostCursor2: 0
EnhancedFraming: 1
Scrambling: 1
AlternateScramblerSeedReset: 0
OtherBitRateInMegaBitsPerSecond: 0
Framebuffer Timing
TimingIndex: 0
Encoding: 1
BitDepth: 3
PixelClock: 528020000
HActive: 3840
VActive: 2160
HBlank: 80
HBorderLeft: 0
HBorderRight: 0
VBlank: 85
VBorderTop: 0
VBorderBottom: 0
HSyncStart: 8
HSyncWidth: 32
HSyncPositive: 1
VSyncStart: 71
VSyncWidth: 8
VSyncPositive: 0
Interlace: 0
Framebuffer resolution
Version: 65536
Width: 3840
Height: 2160
Stride: 0
Format: 1
Rotation: 0
Reverse: 0
You have posted before about monitors. Monitors with USB-C would have been better. But with the proper cable you will be ok:
Monoprice Bidirectional USB Type-C to DisplayPort Cable - 4K@60Hz, Black, 6ft - Monoprice.com
No longer will you be limited by the direction of your cable! This Bidirectional USB-C? to DisplayPort? Cable allows you to connect your legacy DisplayPort devices to your newest USB-C enabled display
www.monoprice.com
From Apple:
Lou
Lou, Thanks for confirming.. just ordered three of the cables you suggested from Monoprice.
The Belkin cable (includes USB) will give you presets and brightness control.
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Just to confirm, I finally was able to connect all three of my 27" NEC monitors for the first time tonight to three of the W5700X TB3 ports using these Monoprice cables and they fired right up - no problems yet and have had 5 restarts since install.
Thanks again for the link!
My fans have been ramping up very frequently using W5700X when I was playing a game. Not even the latest game. Thread here:
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W5700X MPX ramping up fans frequently
Not sure if it's a hardware issue or driver issue (hope it's the latter), but whenever I play a less demanding game such as World of Warcraft on either Boot Camp or Mac OS 10.15.6, the GPU usage easily gets up to 90+% and Mac Pro fans ramp up really hard for a quick 10-15 seconds or so). But it...
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I am having exactly the same problems and effects (flicker, resizing and so on) on my MP with W5700X. Do you still have this problems or have you found an solution in the last time?
I might have the same problem. Video below. Is this similar to your problem? Thanks.