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It will be very interesting to see how the GPU situation plays out. I think its a safe bet that the 16 core GPU goes to the 14" and the 32 core goes to the 16". That being said, with the shared memory architecture between the CPU and GPU on these "M" chips, could we finally see 32gb of RAM actually come standard on the 16"?

Also really hoping these things run cooler than the current 16".
 
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The red, blue, and yellow lights. Those are primary colors. Mini LED?
 
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The red, blue, and yellow lights. Those are primary colors. Mini LED?
Probably 75% chance of no mini led this year. Judging by impressions from the new 12.9” iPad Pro, we won’t be missing much. It’s definitely a better technology but in its current form the main benefit is the better black levels. In most use cases the max brightness is the same as standard LCD. Peak brightness is only unlocked when viewing HDR content. There’s also been several reports (some exaggerated but quite a few are actually legitimate) of pretty bad blooming on the new iPad.

I’d say if Apple can give us a slightly brighter screen with better anti glare, that may actually be a better option for this year while they get all the kinks out of their Mini LED tech.
 
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The red, blue, and yellow lights. Those are primary colors. Mini LED?
The red, blue, and yellow lights. Those are primary colors in reflective color... or more properly termed subtractive color. That is, in print. In display, which is additive color, the primaries are Red Blue and GREEN... And (obviously) displays are additive.... (Sorry, I get anal about light)
 
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I am thinking the new colourful model comes in at $1,199 or $1,299 to start, and the M1 MacBook Air is left on sale unchanged for $999 while they slowly trim the price over a couple of years. So if the eventual goal for the lineup is MacBook 13" (starting at $999) and MacBook Pro 14/16" then yeah I do think it would be desirable to bring the prices for the Pros down a little to make them more accessible. Doubly so if there's no black bezel/ keyboard option for the MacBook as white is going to be polarising and it's going to carry a huge chunk of MacBook sales if it replaces both the Air and cheaper Pro.

Certainly for the 16" I think there's a great deal of scope to reduce the price, given there's a lot of discrete components being replaced by a simpler and cheaper SoC. $1,999 should be achievable just by not having to include the dGPU. An option would be to start the Pro lineup with the basic 4/4 core M1 and bring the prices down to, say, $1,499 and $1,599. Then have the more powerful 8/2 core 'M1X' models start at something like $1,899 and $1,999 with all the extra upgrades taking it up there to $6K similar to now?
two different years of chips in the same release seems unlikely.
I agree tho- if no AMD GPU or Intel CPU- tough to justify those high prices.
 
two different years of chips in the same release seems unlikely.
I agree tho- if no AMD GPU or Intel CPU- tough to justify those high prices.
I fully expect a price drop of these machines, I know it seems ‘unworldly’ for Apple to drop the entry prices of products… but it’s going to be HUUUUGE selling point of the M series chips, also, with the Pro being so similar to $999 Air, the Pro is basically pointless at this point, as it’s literally a extremely minor spec bump on the Air, it’s basically like a MacBook Air Max.

With the launch of the 14” and 16” Pros, I expect the current 13” Pro will get discontinued, the $1799 Pro will come in at either $1499 or $1599, and the 16” coming in at $1999 or $2099, then once the redesigned Air comes towards the end of the year or early next year it will probably get a price bump of $1099, we have to remember Apple will not only be saving on the chips but also the Touch Bar too.
 
Personally I think it will get discontinued too, reason being is the Touch Bar.

Apple have always pushed the Touch Bar as a PRO feature, never available on the Air, it’s just going to be extremely strange to have the lower end Pro with the Touch Bar and the higher end models not having it.

I suspect that when the two high end pros release we will see one of three things happen:

1. Either the current 13” gets the same redesign as the higher end models but still maintains its display size and looses the Touch Bar but continues with the M1, this makes sense as it will technically have the same shell as the higher end 14” model so no additional R&D for apple, possibly getting a small price bump to $1399.

2. They will continue to offer the lower end model in its current form at its current price, in which case seems a bit pointless with how close the air is to it at the moment, plus it will require three outer shells to be produced for the Pro line instead of just two, and will be very strange that the lower end Pro having the Touch Bar with the higher end models loosing it.

3. The 13” will just get discontinued and replaced with the 14” and 16” higher end models, if this happens I wouldn’t be shocked if the higher end PRO’s got a price drop… maybe $1499/$1999 respectively, this makes sense due to the cost saving of Apple using their own silicon and the lower production costs of removing the Touch Bar, this will not only be a huge selling point of Apple using their own silicon BUT it also adds to the rumours of Apple giving consumers what they have been asking for with this refresh (MagSafe, More Older Ports, Removal Of Touch Bar).

Also in previous iterations of the Air vs Pro debate the Air really hasn’t been enough for a lot of users, whereas now M1 is here, the Air will suit over 90% of the user base, so for the PRO’s to do well they need to have a more reasonable entry level price than $1799, that’s a staggering $800 on top of the Air’s entry price IMO.
I thought about the Air-Pro price gap a lot and found a very Apple-like solution.
They could simply introduce a "lower cost"-M1X Pro laptop where they offer 8 instead of 16GB of RAM.
It would look like this:
$1249 M1 Air 8GB / 512GB
$1599 M1X Pro 8GB / 512GB
$1799 M1X Pro 16GB / 512GB
$1999 M1X Pro 16GB / 512GB
That way, they could maintain the "usual" prices for their Pro laptops while offering a cheaper M1X Pro, replacing the 13" one.
 
I thought about the Air-Pro price gap a lot and found a very Apple-like solution.
They could simply introduce a "lower cost"-M1X Pro laptop where they offer 8 instead of 16GB of RAM.
It would look like this:
$1249 M1 Air 8GB / 512GB
$1599 M1X Pro 8GB / 512GB
$1799 M1X Pro 16GB / 512GB
$1999 M1X Pro 16GB / 512GB
That way, they could maintain the "usual" prices for their Pro laptops while offering a cheaper M1X Pro, replacing the 13" one.

Yeah I definitely think Apple will need to do something in regards to the 13” Pro…

It just will be extremely strange to have the line up:

MacBook Air - $999
MacBook Pro 13” - $1299
MacBook Pro 14” - $1799
MacBook Pro 16” - $2399

This just seems a very un-apple move, encouraging over 90% of the consumer base to just opt for the very capable $999 Air.
 
Yeah I definitely think Apple will need to do something in regards to the 13” Pro…

It just will be extremely strange to have the line up:

MacBook Air - $999
MacBook Pro 13” - $1299
MacBook Pro 14” - $1799
MacBook Pro 16” - $2399

This just seems a very un-apple move, encouraging over 90% of the consumer base to just opt for the very capable $999 Air.
Well, if you look at their pricing for the iMac Pro, the Pro Display XDR and the Mac Pro, they could start to position the MacBook Pro as a device for the „real“ Pros only And price it accordingly. This would certainly suck, but it’s a possibility…
 
Well, if you look at their pricing for the iMac Pro, the Pro Display XDR and the Mac Pro, they could start to position the MacBook Pro as a device for the „real“ Pros only And price it accordingly. This would certainly suck, but it’s a possibility…
Yeah they could do, but that would leave only two options of laptop for the general consumer… both of which are basically identical.

It’s a bit of a small selection of laptops for their biggest market though.

If they do have high prices of their high end pros ($1700+) it’s going to make them relatively niche, because unlike before where customers had to get a Pro to have a decent laptop, now they don’t, so it’s going to have to either take a lot of ‘pro’ features to warrant the price or the price will have to come down to entice the general consumer.
 
Not really...think what apple did with the iphone and ipad etc..
The Mba with M2 will come...and discount the price for the M1
And you will have 2 MBA... for affordable prices
Apple must clean the mac segment
I think in 2022 we will have (new macs)

- M2 MBA, Mac mini and 24" iMac
- M2X mac mini , 14"/16" Mbp and the larger iMac
and of course the Mac pro

Clean and simple for the users...Apple doesnt need the mess that exist on OEM windows side...
ipad, ipad air and ipad pro also, very clean and easy to understand
iphone SE, iphone and iphone pro
 
Yeah they could do, but that would leave only two options of laptop for the general consumer… both of which are basically identical.

It’s a bit of a small selection of laptops for their biggest market though.

If they do have high prices of their high end pros ($1700+) it’s going to make them relatively niche, because unlike before where customers had to get a Pro to have a decent laptop, now they don’t, so it’s going to have to either take a lot of ‘pro’ features to warrant the price or the price will have to come down to entice the general consumer.
$1,700? Sounds like an iPad at this point.
 
I’m seeing more and more buzz for MBPs at WWDC but haven’t seen much about availability. What‘s the guess here? June announcement with relatively immediate availability or sometime in July/August? Thanks.
 
I’m seeing more and more buzz for MBPs at WWDC but haven’t seen much about availability. What‘s the guess here? June announcement with relatively immediate availability or sometime in July/August? Thanks.
Expecting…

7th June Announcement (Obvs)
18th June Pre-Order
9th July Release

If the iPad launch is anything to go by
 
I’m seeing more and more buzz for MBPs at WWDC but haven’t seen much about availability. What‘s the guess here? June announcement with relatively immediate availability or sometime in July/August? Thanks.

Saying that they might release it sooner IF they don’t have the miniLED displays… they may announce pre-orders immediately delivering late June… possibly…
 
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Ive got the new iPad 12.9 with mini led. It's fairly underwhelming in most lighting. honestly if they skip mini led not a big deal. rumor is they were going to OLED next year anyway.
 
Ive got the new iPad 12.9 with mini led. It's fairly underwhelming in most lighting. honestly if they skip mini led not a big deal. rumor is they were going to OLED next year anyway.

I fully agree had the iPad Pro 12.9 but mine came with imperfections on the back so I have returned it and decided to get a mac instead, in my honest opinion I actually prefer the standard LCD screen over the miniLED screen for general use, miniLED only really makes a difference when watching HDR content.
 
Ive got the new iPad 12.9 with mini led. It's fairly underwhelming in most lighting. honestly if they skip mini led not a big deal. rumor is they were going to OLED next year anyway.
I’m betting no Mini LED this year and in the slight chance that it does come, it will be exclusive to the 16”. I’m really just hoping for a screen that is at least brighter and has HDR capability. Apple has put so much effort into making the iPhones shoot HDR, adding HDR content to Apple TV+ and upgrading iTunes movies to HDR for free. It would be a shame if this MacBook Pro doesn’t have a screen that supports HDR.

If you want a display technology that will actually surpass LCD and OLED, then that would be micro LED which is still a few years away. Pixel level dimming like OLED but without the risk of burn in and higher peak brightness than LCD while still keeping infinite black levels. When that comes, it will be a big jump.
 
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I really hope the 14 inch Pro isn't $1800, but alas, I'd probably still consider it
I can’t see it happening to be honest, either they will refresh the base line to a 14” also and increase to $1399, or they will disco the baseline, and bring the $1799 model down to $1499 or $1599.

That’s my prediction anyway.
 
I can’t see it happening to be honest, either they will refresh the base line to a 14” also and increase to $1399, or they will disco the baseline, and bring the $1799 model down to $1499 or $1599.

That’s my prediction anyway.

Right, it seems strange to predict Apple cutting prices, but unless they surprise us with some lower-spec models, the MBP prices have to come down.
 
Jon Prosser claimed there is an extra hint about re-designed MBP in his FPT YouTube video 2 days ago. I’ve seen that video many times to understand what the extra hint could be. And finally I guess he was hinting about the availability. Prosser suggested Apple has scheduled a press release specifically about MBP right after the WWDC event. A press release about new Apple product usually means that product is ready for pre-order on Apple Store.
 
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Jon Prosser claimed there is an extra hint about re-designed MBP in his FPT YouTube video 2 days ago. I’ve seen that video many times to understand what the extra hint could be. And finally I guess he was hinting about the availability. Prosser suggested Apple has scheduled a press release specifically about MBP right after the WWDC event. A press release about new Apple product usually means that product is ready for pre-order on Apple Store.
Yeah I have a feeling we may have pre-orders immediately with shipping end of June possibly…
 
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Jon Prosser claimed there is an extra hint about re-designed MBP in his FPT YouTube video 2 days ago. I’ve seen that video many times to understand what the extra hint could be. And finally I guess he was hinting about the availability. Prosser suggested Apple has scheduled a press release specifically about MBP right after the WWDC event. A press release about new Apple product usually means that product is ready for pre-order on Apple Store.
What he is basically saying is that, MacBook Pro’s will be available immediately after the event, looking at the way he is wording everything, it would not surprise me…

I think the rumoured M2 chip that went into production in April is not for these machines, they are in production for the end of the year (MacBook Air), I think M1X is ready to go… it’s just we had no rumours of it going into production most likely, I expect pre-orders immediately with shipping 11th June or 18th June…
 
Do we have any indication if Apple will release a Tiger Lake based 16 inch MBP this year or will it only be Apple Silicon?
 
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