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Waiting for 2021 MBP
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From the days of $4,000+ boat-anchor size computers (when I was first involved in the IT industry) til now, the way I approach a new computer purchase has not changed.
If new hardware will make what I do more efficient and I can use it for 4+ years, the incremental cost to pony up (and most often sell my existing system) becomes negligible.
The 1st run of "the next big thing" tends to have issues that need to be sorted out over a couple of iterations. I prefer not wasting time riding on the bleeding edge.
Yes, I am an old guy now... who is still willing to embrace new technology that has a bit of time to be paraded around and proven reliable before jumping on the bandwagon.
If new hardware will make what I do more efficient and I can use it for 4+ years, the incremental cost to pony up (and most often sell my existing system) becomes negligible.
The 1st run of "the next big thing" tends to have issues that need to be sorted out over a couple of iterations. I prefer not wasting time riding on the bleeding edge.
Yes, I am an old guy now... who is still willing to embrace new technology that has a bit of time to be paraded around and proven reliable before jumping on the bandwagon.
In 2021 MBP they should include new full HD FaceTime camera. This 720p in my iMac and MBP is ridiculous.
Does a better FaceTime camera make people look better or worse?
Does it matter. This is 2020 and Microsoft can come up with a better one why can’t Apple with all it’s tons of money
My next MacBook (Pro) will include (hopefully)
- Apple's custom ARM processor - because of security, better power consumption
- Have a GPU worth something (again because of Apple's own processor design)
- 13-14", don't care
- Bezels, don't care
- Better web cam would be nice
- Option for cellular/GPS would be nice
- Having the Touch Bar moved into the trackpad (i.e., the trackpad becomes like an iPhone display) instead would be nice, physical function keys need to return IMHO
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"You made to many spelling errors in the word iPad".
With all these requirements have you ever considered the idea of using iPad + keyboard?
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If everyone is writing about their dreams, then mine will be very modest:
- current 16' form factor
- 32/64 Gb of LpDDR
- no Touchbar
- colder CPU (thermal specs for latest MBA and MBP13 are insane)
- WiFi6
- 1080p webcam
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No way they’ll be putting arm in a mbp for at least a few years. What should happen is arm will first go to MacBooks/airs and they won’t put them into the pros until there’s much more native arm professional apps.
We'll see. According to Jon Prosser, who's been pretty on point with 95% of his leaks, ARM is going to be in the next update to the 16 inch MacBook Pro, along with mini LED. That said, I can't imagine they'll go longer than a year between updates to the 16 inch. But if you want to prognosticate into Apple's artwork ahead of WWDC, it looks like these people are using 12-inch MacBooks.
I was hoping for a 14” Pro this year but decided to pull the trigger on the 13” 10th Gen model as I write all day for a living and couldn’t face another year with the butterfly switches on my late 2016 nTB. I’m delighted with it and can see me keeping it for a number of years. It’s worth it just for the new keyboard, and the speed bump is nice too.
The thing with technology is you can always be waiting for the next big thing, and whatever you decide to buy there’ll always be something bigger and better that follows it. Yes, part of me will probably regret it if they do eventually release a 14”, but it wouldn’t really make that much of a difference to my day to day work, and I just decided this was good enough and to enjoy what I’ve bought.
This is my first Mac with the Touch Bar and I actually quite like it. I could definitely live without it, but some of the options it provides are actually quite useful and it looks pretty cool. I was worried about accidentally pressing it but this really hasn’t been an issue. I think they could improve it incorporating haptic feedback and making the bar a little higher res.
The thing with technology is you can always be waiting for the next big thing, and whatever you decide to buy there’ll always be something bigger and better that follows it. Yes, part of me will probably regret it if they do eventually release a 14”, but it wouldn’t really make that much of a difference to my day to day work, and I just decided this was good enough and to enjoy what I’ve bought.
This is my first Mac with the Touch Bar and I actually quite like it. I could definitely live without it, but some of the options it provides are actually quite useful and it looks pretty cool. I was worried about accidentally pressing it but this really hasn’t been an issue. I think they could improve it incorporating haptic feedback and making the bar a little higher res.
Apple Leaks Reveal Radical New MacBook Pro
As Apple prepares to move the MacBook from Intel to ARM, how do you market and sell such a radical laptop?
www.forbes.com
Any thoughts?
The low-barrier-to-entry Forbes contributor network's coverage of Apple is almost entirely clickbait trash.
But I think it makes sense cause the MBP series got minimum changes so far. Having a large trackpad would be interesting.
Lol what? The trackpad is already laughably huge on the 16”. What would you need any extra space for? As it is now half of each hand is resting on the trackpad while typing.
I agree touchbar could be higher resolution. I wouldn’t want it to be any bigger though. It’s a gimmick really. I think it would be cool if they did function keys with little screens on them so they change for different programs and functions, but you don’t lose the tactile experience of pressing a button.
I agree touchbar could be higher resolution. I wouldn’t want it to be any bigger though. It’s a gimmick really. I think it would be cool if they did function keys with little screens on them so they change for different programs and functions, but you don’t lose the tactile experience of pressing a button.
When Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel. The very first two Macs with an Intel chip announced were the 2006 15" MBP Core Duo and the iMac Core Duo. If we go off of past pattern, if anything, the MBPs and iMacs will get ARM first. Then, from January 2006 to August 2006 they announced and started releasing a Intel powered Mac replacement for every PowerPC model they had, ending with the 2006 Intel Mac Pro (which replaced the Power Mac G5, which was only 3 years old at the time).
That was 14 years ago and it was a big risk for them at the time. Apple is a drastically larger company, worth a lot more and can spend a lot more money to make things they want to happen happen now. I'm not saying Apple will handle the transition exactly the same way, but they easily have the capability to make this transition happen very quickly if they want to.
And the PowerPC to Intel transition was with a third party vendor involved, imagine how much faster they could make this happen with the complexities and potential issues with supply chain/logistics involved with that removed (or at least those factors being within Apple's direct control). I don't think there's much reason to think this will be some 5 year long slow product roll out.
(This is all me just theorizing) Assuming Apple has been preparing for this internally for the last couple years, I personally think the Intel to ARM transition could go pretty similarly to the PowerPC to Intel transition. An ARM Mac for every model in the portfolio could at least be announced and start trickling out all within a year or two of the initial ARM announcement with the ARM Mac Pro likely coming last. That's the only one i see not releasing in the immediate future since the 2019 Mac Pro is still brand new and generally has multi year gaps between releases. That said though, the 2006 Intel Mac Pro replaced the Power Mac G5 when it was only 3 years old to complete that transition. So if Apple followed a similar time frame, we could see an ARM Mac Pro as soon as 2023 or 2024, as i don't think they'd want the 2019 Mac Pro being the only Intel Mac among ARM Macs for much longer than a couple years.
This is apples to oranges. Intel was much faster than PPC. Pretty much all apps supported X86. Apple had to make their apps support the architecture, but all other third party apps were already X86. It’s going to take a lot longer to get all those 3rd party companies to make their apps for arm, that is if they even do, than what Apple had to do with x86. A computer is nothing without the software, and to date, there’s been nothing running on arm that’s emulated even close to native speeds, so the vast majority of those “professional” apps are going to take a major performance hit. So again, it’s not even remotely close to the same thing.
What they should do, is start with the lower tier MacBook/airs that aren’t necessarily supposed to be the fastest thing around, and people don’t tend to use except for more of the basic functions (internet browsing, video, etc...) while waiting a couple years for all of those major 3rd party power user apps (that MBP’s are made for) to have native arm versions.
Intel has definitely been slow to update the past few years, however it sounds like they will be back on track with 7nm next year.
If you check all patents from that link, it's not just a bigger trackpad.
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Where is your source that 16-inch MBP will get ARM chip?
I had the same question. I’ve been following Prosser pretty closely and haven’t heard him say this. I’d be happy to be wrong, but I don’t recall him saying anything about ARM chips with the 16” model. All we have heard is from Kuo who “expects Apple to launch several Mac notebooks and desktop computers with its own custom designed Arm-based processors in 2021”, but did not explicitly state the 16” as one of the notebook models getting an ARM chip. (https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/26/kuo-several-arm-based-macs-2021/).
Thanks for sharing. You included the one Prosser video I haven't watched.
I'm surprised that MacRumors or others haven't written about this.
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If you click on the video from his post, it starts right at the part that Prosser talks about ARM.