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Waiting while we wither away..........
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Maybe if we can create a tower Mac Pro rumor........Apple might follow it.
Now that's getting close to delusional:D
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The pros voted with their wallet(me included) and Apple has already lost vast majority of the creatives that took 20 years to get.
It really is a shame that Apple is going this route. Given what Tim is thinking about pro computing, it makes me wonder what Jobs saw in him that made Jobs turn over the company to Tim.
 
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Now that's getting close to delusional:D
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It really is a shame that Apple is going this route. Given what Tim is thinking about pro computing, it makes me wonder what Jobs saw in him that made Jobs turn over the company to Tim.

Well, reading the book Job's predecessor wrote, I can see why he did. Amelio had no control over the supply chain and it was costing the company millions every month.
 
The pros voted with their wallet(me included) and Apple has already lost vast majority of the creatives that took 20 years to get.
they lost them to imacs and mbps.
most creative software no longer needs tower type computers to run optimally.. in fact, the i7 processors are arguably better/faster for creative type software than xeons.

idk, what you're saying doesn't seem true or definitely doesn't coincide with what i see going on in nyc firms/studios/freelance.
 
they lost them to imacs and mbps.
most creative software no longer needs tower type computers to run optimally.. in fact, the i7 processors are arguably better/faster for creative type software than xeons.

idk, what you're saying doesn't seem true or definitely doesn't coincide with what i see going on in nyc firms/studios/freelance.

How do they think those fancy 3D videos of theirs for product launches get made? On macbook pros?
 
How do they think those fancy 3D videos of theirs for product launches get made? On macbook pros?
probably imacs and a renderfarm.. or a macpro and a renderfarm.

regardless, it's highly unlikely they're rendering an animation for a commercial on a desktop computer.. they do all the work on one but render it elsewhere
 
That may be bigger news than the next Mac Pro!
Take this info with an huge load of salt, everybody here knows that this source is unreliable, while an earlier 'apple insider' at darknet bring us some 'hits' it maybe just luck.

I come with this just for fun, and I repeat, those sources are unreliable.
 
I'd say that at this time going with BDW is a bad move. By the time it's out everyone will say that Apple is using CPUs that are soon to be EOLed. And this will never end.
The safe bet would be to wait for SKL. Maybe, going by SA, Apple would be another privileged partner and get SKL-W in advance, even if just for a paper launch.
SKL seems to be the only way to have a no compromise machine. Otherwise it will always be bottlenecked somewhere.
[doublepost=1479415281][/doublepost]The iMac rumor might even be true but I'm not really buying it right now.
Not that I doubt it to be possible, but not sure Apple will use such new CPU arch so soon after release. But I guess the iMac would be the right choice to go with it.
 
There is quite a lot of background story for why Intel sped up the release of CPUs. I think in few weeks more will be apparent, why.
 
it is really Skylake that is designed for USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt 3.
Actually not true.

Broeadwell HEDT and Skylake HEDT both have exactly simila compatibility with Alpine Ridge controllers, the difference is Skylake HEDT is planned from start to include EXTRA PCIe LINES for a couple of TB3 headers, w/o need to use Muxers or compromise usual peripheral arrangements in HEDT workstations.

Whatever else wrote this journalist its just ******** from someone that just writes but never builds or design computers.
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it's out everyone will say that Apple is using CPUs that are soon to be EOLed
exactly what happened to the nMP L2013 (ivi-bridge-E), when it reach the market Intel just launched Haswell-e...
 
Actually not true.

Broeadwell HEDT and Skylake HEDT both have exactly simila compatibility with Alpine Ridge controllers, the difference is Skylake HEDT is planned from start to include EXTRA PCIe LINES for a couple of TB3 headers, w/o need to use Muxers or compromise usual peripheral arrangements in HEDT workstations.

Whatever else wrote this journalist its just ******** from someone that just writes but never builds or design computers.
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exactly what happened to the nMP L2013 (ivi-bridge-E), when it reach the market Intel just launched Haswell-e...
This person stated it's backward compatible but mainly designed specifically for Skylake.
 
exactly what happened to the nMP L2013 (ivi-bridge-E), when it reach the market Intel just launched Haswell-e...
The MP6,1 used the Ivy-Bridge-EP, which released in Q3 of 2013. (When the nMP was first shown at MacWorld SF 2013, it had pre-production prototype CPUs.)

The Haswell-EP didn't ship until Q3 of 2014, a year later.
 
The MP6,1 used the Ivy-Bridge-EP, which released in Q3 of 2013. (When the nMP was first shown at MacWorld SF 2013, it had pre-production prototype CPUs.)

The Haswell-EP didn't ship until Q3 of 2014, a year later.
No wonder. It makes sense why nMP was pushed back till christmas season.
 
I'd say that at this time going with BDW is a bad move. By the time it's out everyone will say that Apple is using CPUs that are soon to be EOLed. And this will never end.
The safe bet would be to wait for SKL. Maybe, going by SA, Apple would be another privileged partner and get SKL-W in advance, even if just for a paper launch.
SKL seems to be the only way to have a no compromise machine. Otherwise it will always be bottlenecked somewhere.
[doublepost=1479415281][/doublepost]The iMac rumor might even be true but I'm not really buying it right now.
Not that I doubt it to be possible, but not sure Apple will use such new CPU arch so soon after release. But I guess the iMac would be the right choice to go with it.

Yeah but then you're playing the "Waiting for Skylake" train again.

Especially since you're in the middle of a TB3/USB-C transition they could have come out with a Broadwell Mac Pro at the October event and only had one or two TB3 ports and left the legacy stuff, people would be happy they didn't immediately need to get dongles, people would be happy they actually have updates.

And then in a year you can always *gasp* update it again, and this time go whole-hog with TB3. It'd be akin to the "legacy" Blue & White G3 and the G4's that replaced it.

Yeah, at this point it makes the most sense from a company perspective to wait for Skylake. But from an outward-facing PR perspective and reassuring desktop costumers you're interested, it's just killing that much more goodwill.

That said if Apple could score the newest chips months ahead of everyone they could do their big push and get back to the "Apple has bleeding edge tech that's actually cheaper than comparatively-specced competitors" part of the update cycle, which is certainly better than the "Apple has older tech and is not price competitive" part the Mac Pro has historically occupied for the greater duration, even before this 6,1->7,1 drought.
 
No wonder. It makes sense why nMP was pushed back till christmas season.
Yes. Although the E5-x6xx v2 CPUs were officially announced in Q3CY13 - it wasn't until well into Q4 that volume shipments were happening.

Contrary to Mago's post that Haswell was available by the time that the MP6,1 shipped - in fact the MP6,1 was on the leading edge of Ivy Bridge EP shipments. Haswell EP was a year later.

The CPU on the MP6,1 was new, but much of the other stuff had been on the shelf for a while. In particular, copper 10 GbE was a common option on systems in late 2013 - but the MP6,1 has 1 GbE. Embarrassing for a system at that price point.
 
Yes. Although the E5-x6xx v2 CPUs were officially announced in Q3CY13 - it wasn't until well into Q4 that volume shipments were happening.

Contrary to Mago's post that Haswell was available by the time that the MP6,1 shipped - in fact the MP6,1 was on the leading edge of Ivy Bridge EP shipments. Haswell EP was a year later.

The CPU on the MP6,1 was new, but much of the other stuff had been on the shelf for a while. In particular, copper 10 GbE was a common option on systems in late 2013 - but the MP6,1 has 1 GbE. Embarrassing for a system at that price point.
Indeed. If Apple haven't killed off mac pro already, then they might do the same thing with the next version...if they will release one.
 
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probably imacs and a renderfarm.. or a macpro and a renderfarm.

regardless, it's highly unlikely they're rendering an animation for a commercial on a desktop computer.. they do all the work on one but render it elsewhere


If you've ever been inside of a posthouse or VFX facility you will see rows of Linux or Windows workstation usually made by HP or Supermicro derivatives. This is where the heavy lifting is done with Maya, 3Dmax, Nuke etc. Scenes are animated, lighting setup, simulations run and shots composited before being sent the farm. Regardless of the farm you need heavy duty local machines to push around massive data sets, simulations etc before the sequence is sent to the farm for execution. In most facilities the average machine is a dual 8 or 10 core Xeon with a heavy duty GPU, SSD storage and the fastest network connection they can afford.

Flame bays are mostly HP z840 running Linux

Digital intermediate bays for color timing (Resolve etc) are maxed out HP z840 or bigger machines running Linux.

You will see Mac Pros in edit bays, although they are being replaced by Windows boxes. Almost no professionals in TV or film cut with FCPX anyways. It's all Premiere and Avid. You may see an assistant editor with an iMac handling ingestion.

The Mac still is very popular in audio production, but the lack of PCI cards in the trashcan is something of a problem.

What you will see is website and web content creators sitting on an iMac running After Effects and the rest of the creative suite. This is probably the biggest area still dominated by the Mac.

I have yet to see anyone but an art director making a sketch use an iPad Pro to create anything of consequence..

Some places use the iPad to collect lunch orders or check in at reception.

MacBook Air and Macbook Pros are used by production people i.e. producers, coordinators etc. You rarely see production people run anything but a Mac laptop.

You will see a VFX or 2d/3d supervisor with a MacBook Pro, although a lot of them are switching to laptop workstations running 4-core Xeon by companies like HP, Blade, Dell etc.

All of this is backed up by a render farm that can range form a few to hundreds or thousands of blades running Linux and in a few cases Windows for specific applications.

For a while you saw farms based on the Mac Mini for Creative Suite people, but that's an exception to the rule. But even those are disappearing since Apple killed the 4-core i7 Mac Mini.

The ugly truth is that with a few exceptions you never saw a lot of Macs outside of editorial in production. They never offered the price performance ratio or raw power of a PC running Linux or Windows.

But the Mac did rule editorial, audio, graphic design and web design. Unfortunately this is also changing due to Apple not keeping their hardware up to date or offering heavy duty hardware options.
 
If you've ever been inside of a posthouse or VFX facility you will see rows of Linux or Windows workstation usually made by HP or Supermicro derivatives. This is where the heavy lifting is done with Maya, 3Dmax, Nuke etc. Scenes are animated, lighting setup, simulations run and shots composited before being sent the farm. Regardless of the farm you need heavy duty local machines to push around massive data sets, simulations etc before the sequence is sent to the farm for execution. In most facilities the average machine is a dual 8 or 10 core Xeon with a heavy duty GPU, SSD storage and the fastest network connection they can afford.

Flame bays are mostly HP z840 running Linux

Digital intermediate bays for color timing (Resolve etc) are maxed out HP z840 or bigger machines running Linux.

You will see Mac Pros in edit bays, although they are being replaced by Windows boxes. Almost no professionals in TV or film cut with FCPX anyways. It's all Premiere and Avid. You may see an assistant editor with an iMac handling ingestion.

The Mac still is very popular in audio production, but the lack of PCI cards in the trashcan is something of a problem.

What you will see is website and web content creators sitting on an iMac running After Effects and the rest of the creative suite. This is probably the biggest area still dominated by the Mac.

I have yet to see anyone but an art director making a sketch use an iPad Pro to create anything of consequence..

Some places use the iPad to collect lunch orders or check in at reception.

MacBook Air and Macbook Pros are used by production people i.e. producers, coordinators etc. You rarely see production people run anything but a Mac laptop.

You will see a VFX or 2d/3d supervisor with a MacBook Pro, although a lot of them are switching to laptop workstations running 4-core Xeon by companies like HP, Blade, Dell etc.

All of this is backed up by a render farm that can range form a few to hundreds or thousands of blades running Linux and in a few cases Windows for specific applications.

For a while you saw farms based on the Mac Mini for Creative Suite people, but that's an exception to the rule. But even those are disappearing since Apple killed the 4-core i7 Mac Mini.

The ugly truth is that with a few exceptions you never saw a lot of Macs outside of editorial in production. They never offered the price performance ratio or raw power of a PC running Linux or Windows.

But the Mac did rule editorial, audio, graphic design and web design. Unfortunately this is also changing due to Apple not keeping their hardware up to date or offering heavy duty hardware options.
not really sure what your point is.
dude asked me if apple makes their animated 3D graphics on a mbp and i said no, probably iMacs or macPros with the rendering being handled by a farm.
are you disagreeing with that? agreeing? adding to that? or just saying something else?
 
not really sure what your point is.
dude asked me if apple makes their animated 3D graphics on a mbp and i said no, probably iMacs or macPros with the rendering being handled by a farm.
are you disagreeing with that? agreeing? adding to that? or just saying something else?

I'm saying that really nobody makes 3D graphics for a national TV ad or feature film on the iMac or MBpro. It's all Linux or Windows. The horsepower or RAM capacity is simply not there nor is the iMac or MBpr designed to run under prolonged heavy load like a real workstation.
 
SKL really is the way to go, with TB3 and all. BDW will just be patch work and compromise.
And people will be pi$$ed if this time Apple doesn't come up with something really good, more so than having to wait a few more months, I believe. I know I will.
Again, Intel will be providing early samples to a few select partners, maybe Apple as well:
https://www.techpowerup.com/227930/...-for-state-of-the-art-artificial-intelligence

Maybe Intel starts feeling the heat of Zen Naples and speeds up Xeon Skylake launch...
And AVX512 would look really nice in Apple's marketing papers.
 
SKL really is the way to go, with TB3 and all. BDW will just be patch work and compromise.
And people will be pi$$ed if this time Apple doesn't come up with something really good, more so than having to wait a few more months, I believe. I know I will.
Again, Intel will be providing early samples to a few select partners, maybe Apple as well:
https://www.techpowerup.com/227930/...-for-state-of-the-art-artificial-intelligence

Maybe Intel starts feeling the heat of Zen Naples and speeds up Xeon Skylake launch...
And AVX512 would look really nice in Apple's marketing papers.

Thatś true for Workstations targeting dual GTX1080Ti or Dual Pascal GP100, but relatively for modest Vega 10, 16+8 are enough or Mux all 32 lines among 2 x16 + 3 x4, and leave MVMe directly to 4 PCIe3 and nGgbE on remaining 4 PCIe3, leave Wlan+BT on PCHs PCIe2, the performance penalization on this setup is neglible, but is more expensive due te PXE muxers.

Thatś why I dont buy latest 'DNG' leak.

Me as Integrator, will chose current proven Xeon BDW-E, MUX all 32PCIe3 to GPU/TB3 (5 ports), and 2 NVMe on remaining non muxed PCIe lines, nGbE connected to PCH, BT/Wifi to internal USB3 (as seems Apple choose for the tbMBP).
 
Another self proclaimed Apple 'Insider' which seems to be the same DarkNetGuy says:

nMP 7,1 e17:
  • Xeon e5v4 upto 22core on BTO, chipset C612
  • GPUs: 2x D510 (AMD WX5100), 2x D710 (WX7100), 2x D910 (WX9100 VEGA)
  • Thunderbolt 3 X 6, no-half speed, no USB3.
  • 1x SSD NVMe not soldered.
  • 4x DDR4 ECC RAM
  • Dual Multi-speed Gbe (1,2.5,5,10) intel X550-BT2
That's all
one more thing:
  • Next iMac 21 on AMD ZEN APU 4 core, iMac 27 still on Intel/AMD GPU.
Decoding the purpoted nMP e17 configuration it seems Apple opted either to use a Multiplexer or link GPU2 to 8 PCIe3 lines (12 pcie3 lines used by TB3 headers + 4 used by SSD) 10GbE obviously connected to PCH's PCIe2 x8, no details on BT/Wifi but likely to be plugged to PCH's USB3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors

Seems solid info (I hope) . Looking at Wikipedia the 22 Xeon I think they plan to use was available first in October 2016 and now the AMD GPUs are available from this month (November 2016) ..
 
Mago, what makes you think that Vega 10 will not be good enough to fill up the full available bandwidth but Pascal is?
Currently macOS might not make good use of it, but it hopefully will in the future, and by then you will not want something that is limited by nature, will you?
Personally I don't like to compromise.

Note: Let's hope that the e17 in nMP 7,1 e17 doesn't mean End 2017 :) Not really, it would be Late 2017 anyway, just kidding.
But e17 might hint at 2017 launch which could very well be with Skylake instead of Broadwell, although Skylake could indeed be a few months away still.

Let's hope 1S SKL-W will come sooner than Mid2017 which is when -EP is scheduled for.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-xeon-cpu-fpga-ai,33036.html
That's what's relevant for nMP 7,1.
 
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probably imacs and a renderfarm.. or a macpro and a renderfarm.

regardless, it's highly unlikely they're rendering an animation for a commercial on a desktop computer.. they do all the work on one but render it elsewhere

Those are most likely made by Apple's ad agency TBWA\Media Arts Lab, not Apple itself.

Most likely they are running on PCs and GPU based renderers, so that puts iMacs and nMP out of the question (people still need to test render).

Apple gave up what little ground it had in 3d by sticking to AMD for GPUs.
 
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