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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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So, some final specs of Xeon v5 are out. Can we hope for 2666 MHz RAM?
Re the headphone jack, I tend to think it will be present. No optical interface, but I hope they will include a lightning jack.
Fast user switching via TouchID is a feature that could be useful on a Pro desktop. I wonder whether they will think of something for the nMP as well.
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Re the headphone jack, I tend to think it will be present. No optical interface, but I hope they will include a lightning jack.
Fast user switching via TouchID is a feature that could be useful on a Pro desktop. I wonder whether they will think of something for the nMP as well.
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...and the MP6,1 is still shipping with a Xeon v2.
As for memory, it depends whether it can be soldered in place.
Do you want 8 GiB or 16 GiB?
...and the MP6,1 is still shipping with a Xeon v2.
As for memory, it depends whether it can be soldered in place.
Excuse me? This is the Mac Pro forum. What kind of man runs his Mac Pro with 8GB of ram. Clearly if you're not using 64GB of ram then you belong in the Mac Mini section.
Personally I can't get by without at least 128GB of ram. We need as much ram as we can get because chrome isn't going to poof it out of thin air now is it?
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I think he was being sarcastic given Apple's meagre offering of 16GB ram for the macbook pro
I think he was being sarcastic given Apple's meagre offering of 16GB ram for the macbook pro
The fact that you can't see that I was also might also be a sign that this is the mac pro forum, where I guess 128gb of ram actually must not sound that crazy
128 GiB is entry level on the Dell/HP systems that people are moving to.The fact that you can't see that I was also might also be a sign that this is the mac pro forum, where I guess 128gb of ram actually must not sound that crazy
And it's thinner and lighter than ever...
...one more thing...
...introducing the Mac Pro Edition; gold plated and gold solder used on every component. Starting at just $50,000.
Hahaha awesome, which ones would those be? I'm not super happy with my iMac as of late.
Again, "entry level" has a bit of sarcasm.
An HP Z840 supports up to 1024 GiB, Dell 7810 configs start at 64 GiB.
Recently the devs of FCP X said that they made a lot of code-level changes in the 10.3 update that were essential for the future of FCP X. I'm pretty sure this means that they rewrote the code in a platform agnostic way, for ARM support. Kinda clever, since magnetic timelines are way better for touch screens. But also, for the future Macs running on ARM chips. I wonder what that means for the Mac Pro, if Apple's actually still interested in another generation of high powered x86 workstations, or if they just want to hold the laptop/iMac market long enough for them to make the leap to ARM. Then again, they did invest in a new generation of MBPs, they know the high end isn't ready even if they don't need Intel's low power chips anymore.
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Apple is destroying Mac devices. Sorry for this inconvenience but your Mac Pro will no longer available....!
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The worst thing is I can just imagine the Jonny Ive video, hyping it up.. ugh... Apple has almost become a cruel parody of itself.
Well, maybe the touch screen on MBP, which is called the... Touch Bar, will be implemented in the Apple keyboards?
MBP already requires ARM chip to run the Touch Bar. Same thing will be required in Apple Keyboard with the Touch Bar.
And for that very ARM chip, there is support in macOS Sierra.
Aiden, we all know that the PCH is but a PCIe switch, even more so nowadays.
And that it will eventually saturate if all stuff connected to it will be used at full steam at the same time. But there is no way around that. And the better the switch the less so will happen, right? Devices will no be so slowed down if you get a Gen 3 switch as opposed to a Gen 2 switch, and with more lanes. Enough buffering will help, since the bottleneck will always be the DMI bus. Which by the way in SKL will also be Gen 3 as opposed to Gen 2 in BDW.
I guess this is no news to anybody here.
Zen is no miracle, much the contrary I believe. It will be even more limited than Xeon.
dec, the same reason they dropped USB-A in rMBP 2016 will go for nMP for sure. For 9USD you get an adapter (or a few in case you need more). I really believe they'll ditch it for good.
Wired keyboards and mice will either disappear or come bundled with the adapter (or you'll need to buy one, the Apple way). Maybe USB hubs with type A and C?
I'm with you regarding the LG monitor but how much more would it take to make it TB3? I guess there was no need, possibly made for the rMB.
The rMBP 13 was a design issue, available lanes for the extra controller. And there's no perceptible info as to the different specs so I guess the nMP will go the same route. I don't think Apple will go back to type A ports ever, type C is a lot Apple like, ports that need to be used in a certain orientation is so out dated!!
I know -W and -EP are different and use different sockets, go back and see for how long I've been saying that. Thing is I believe that this time around the -W will come first than the -EP. It's a gut feeling, I might be very wrong though, probably will, but I do believe that. And -W and KBL PCH (Basin Falls) fits perfectly in nMP, it's even good for Cannon Lake-W if for some reason Apple decides to shorten the cycle. Purley, as good as it can be, it's not a nMP thing anyway (2S+, 6ch mem, OmniPath...).
[doublepost=1479729798][/doublepost]Indeed koyoot, I believe it will. The problem will be battery life I guess.
And that it will eventually saturate if all stuff connected to it will be used at full steam at the same time. But there is no way around that. And the better the switch the less so will happen, right? Devices will no be so slowed down if you get a Gen 3 switch as opposed to a Gen 2 switch, and with more lanes. Enough buffering will help, since the bottleneck will always be the DMI bus. Which by the way in SKL will also be Gen 3 as opposed to Gen 2 in BDW.
I guess this is no news to anybody here.
Zen is no miracle, much the contrary I believe. It will be even more limited than Xeon.
dec, the same reason they dropped USB-A in rMBP 2016 will go for nMP for sure. For 9USD you get an adapter (or a few in case you need more). I really believe they'll ditch it for good.
Wired keyboards and mice will either disappear or come bundled with the adapter (or you'll need to buy one, the Apple way). Maybe USB hubs with type A and C?
I'm with you regarding the LG monitor but how much more would it take to make it TB3? I guess there was no need, possibly made for the rMB.
The rMBP 13 was a design issue, available lanes for the extra controller. And there's no perceptible info as to the different specs so I guess the nMP will go the same route. I don't think Apple will go back to type A ports ever, type C is a lot Apple like, ports that need to be used in a certain orientation is so out dated!!
I know -W and -EP are different and use different sockets, go back and see for how long I've been saying that. Thing is I believe that this time around the -W will come first than the -EP. It's a gut feeling, I might be very wrong though, probably will, but I do believe that. And -W and KBL PCH (Basin Falls) fits perfectly in nMP, it's even good for Cannon Lake-W if for some reason Apple decides to shorten the cycle. Purley, as good as it can be, it's not a nMP thing anyway (2S+, 6ch mem, OmniPath...).
[doublepost=1479729798][/doublepost]Indeed koyoot, I believe it will. The problem will be battery life I guess.
http://wccftech.com/intel-xeon-e5-2699-v5-skylake-ep/
Take it with the usual grain of salt, and beware of the "copy+paste" feeling of the article.
Still, if true, it's a monster. Don't buy it that Naples has anything to do with it, it will struggle.
Take it with the usual grain of salt, and beware of the "copy+paste" feeling of the article.
Still, if true, it's a monster. Don't buy it that Naples has anything to do with it, it will struggle.
Same reason? Thinner laptop same reason? It is probably going to be at least 6" tall. Thinner USB sockets buys a whole lot of nothing. There is a no lack of available space resource excuse here even in the slightest.
headphone on iPhone .... booted for haptic engine for virtual button. (i.e., ran out of space. )
MBP 2016 ... even thinner than MBA approaching MacBook thinness .... MagSafe and USB Type A booted (i.e., ran out of space. ) No space excuse for headphone jack ejection .... kept it.
Mac Pro no space excuse for power connector , USB type A , HDMI , or heaphone jack being dropped at all. Apple could ditch those will no rational justification but .... more than a few folks will ditch Apple also. The Mac Pro can still advance the Type-C adoption cause buy using those for TBv3.
Apple has been saddled with the "PCIe slots for more wires" stuff with TB over last 3-4 years with Mac Pro. Adding a large onslaught of dongles on top is just going to be more negative publicity. Especially when tossing the TBv2 (and miniDP ) folks into the dongle solution. That is 6 sockets that may need more cabling. To make it 10 sockets is just simply inviting grief. Lots of it.
Lower price and expand the market of compatible laptops. Not just rMB. Google Pixel Chromebook (incremental bump for sure), and other WinPC Type-C laptops. ( should be plenty coming by CES 2017 show in a little over a month).
I don't think the -W ( -X) line up are going to go to "Cannon Lake" (i.e., 10nm ). Seems more likely will move their very large dies to 14nm+ (taller fins ) in something more of a "Coffee Lake" optimization rather than a shrink. Intel may skip 10nm altogether for these larger dies. Or at least not move the larger ones to 10nm until the smallest ones have moved off to 7nm ( or any 10nm+ they come up with).
Relatively high count, "full sized" cores with max die sizes don't mix well with bleeding edge process tech. More optimized process tech is more effective (profitable. ).
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The way I see it, it was not only to make it thinner (although the primary reason) but to get rid of "older" legacy stuff.
Make it a future proof product, break away from the usual configs.
Maybe it's just me.
They have me in all the way.
By the way, seen Doom running on the Touch Panel of a rMBP? MAn, what will they come up next.
http://wccftech.com/video-doom-running-macbook-pros-touch-bar/
Seems they're also ditching AirPort. Or enhance it.
Make it a future proof product, break away from the usual configs.
Maybe it's just me.
They have me in all the way.
By the way, seen Doom running on the Touch Panel of a rMBP? MAn, what will they come up next.
http://wccftech.com/video-doom-running-macbook-pros-touch-bar/
Seems they're also ditching AirPort. Or enhance it.
I don't think they're going anywhere anytime soon.
Correction, they're going where the (most) money is.
Correction, they're going where the (most) money is.
Miss Management, Tim Cook did well until this year, with the Mac debacle and a so-so iphone 7 saved by an explosive Samsung Note 7.
Not sure if this is old news but Vega 10 could indeed be an option soon.
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I'm not sure where I saw it but some rumblings that Intel may do away with E7 line up. That makes some sense if splitting off the Xeon E5 1600 ( single socket) into separate line. (i.e. Won't be E5 anymore if split off socket. Not E3 either. E4 ? Unless have some aversion to even numbers. ). The gap between E5's 4 socket and E7's 8 isn't that much of a deal.
32 makes sense if trying to cover the E7 space. But that probably means will be covering E7 pricing too. I'd bet this is priced out of the range where Apple would touch it.
Going from v4 max of 22 up to 28 makes sense with a minor process change ( to 14nm + for v5)
Jumping from 22 up to 32 is more likely just a plain die increase in size. ( probably as large as possible for the additional 4 ). If have 4 groups of 8 core bundles then have 32. 28 is allows one reject per 8 bundle and still have working part. All working 32's are probably going to be rare (and therefore very expensive. )
Zen/Naples not even having SMT (i.e., Hyperthreading) working at this point... not even in the game.
IF Apple were to update the Mac Pro / iMac / Mac mini line matching the hightest expectations.... are they too late?
Are there too many Pro-users who were tired of waiting?
And, are the faithful Mac-customers finally tired of this unpredictability?
I really wonder how many Mac Pro's are sold in the last quarter...
Are there too many Pro-users who were tired of waiting?
And, are the faithful Mac-customers finally tired of this unpredictability?
I really wonder how many Mac Pro's are sold in the last quarter...