Of course it will. According to recent apple's comments this is a pro feature hence it is present on MBPs as well. I know it sounds funny, but these guys were serious (or at least they thought so).
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Of course it will. According to recent apple's comments this is a pro feature hence it is present on MBPs as well. I know it sounds funny, but these guys were serious (or at least they thought so).
Indeed, E5 and E7 will merge with Purley. Basin Falls will get only 1600.
There are always some spare cores that don't make it to the final SKUs, probably to make up for unusable ones. And power possibly. But having a few full fat dies would make a beast, both in power and performance, and price.
There are always some spare cores that don't make it to the final SKUs, probably to make up for unusable ones. And power possibly. But having a few full fat dies would make a beast, both in power and performance, and price.
At this pace, I will actually be able to save up enough to get the top of the line version by the time the next one drops around, in 2025.
I don't see why it's so hard to get. The minijack has a lot more purpose on a machine with a bunch of audio interfaces, and it's not as space-constrained to boot (plus I doubt we'll see a waterproof laptop any time soon, at least as long as there is a physical keyboard.)
What most interests me is whether they keep it around on the iPads, especially since they are trying to pivot them to capture the segment of desktop replacements.
I don't think that the next Mac Pro refresh actually matters much. It'll be the one *after* that, because that's what will establish a trend of seeing whether Apple is willing to take it seriously. If we get a new Mac Pro, even if it's a great update, if it's another interminable time that's longer than a year or two they might as well not have bothered.
After thinking a bit about this. Wasnt in this Kext the deviceID traces of Fiji chips linked to Trash can Frame Buffer?
Let me guess. There is no sign of Polaris chips in this Kext linked to Mac Pro Framebuffer?
That was the AMD9000Controller.kext. And yes, it does contain the same references to Vega 10 now.
I was just curious to see if they are working on it.
C'mon koyoot, everyone can open a hexeditor and look for progress, no biggie.As I understand it that progress would have to show up in AMD4100Controller.kext. Right now there's only the Baffin Personality, ready to add the deviceIDs of RX 480 etc but support is somewhat limited. In 16C48b there's still Ellesmere missing. Nice to see Apple at least dealing with Vega 10, however all speculation ofc. Much more knowledgeable people here could elaborate and I hope they do.
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Those are Pro workstation cards, 490 will be a consumer board. Still, all are based on the same dies.
490 should be a dual 470 with lowered clocks to keep the power consumption as low as possible.
But since the 470 already is somewhat power friendly they can use it as is.
Depends on if AMD wants it to be faster regardless of power, or have a lower power card.
490 should be a dual 470 with lowered clocks to keep the power consumption as low as possible.
But since the 470 already is somewhat power friendly they can use it as is.
Depends on if AMD wants it to be faster regardless of power, or have a lower power card.
Well, it's not me that called it a "pro feature", apple did. Besides, wasn't there waterproof devices with a minijack before ? IMHO the whole point doesn't make sense at all.
Please. There is no pivot to desktop market coverage. At best laptop replacements. Many people didn't need desktops in the first place. That's why laptops have dominated even in the classic PC form factors for almost a decade. So 'replacement' is a gross overstatement.
The mini audio jack is on the opposite side from the "home" button on the iPad. Turning the button haptic only shouldn't squeeze out the internal space on the 9.7 and 12" models on the other side of the device. Even if Apple shrinks the bezels to bump t0" on the lower end there isn't much of a motivator to remove it. ( Other than arm flapping justifications to align with the iPhone. )
There is room enough for 4 speakers in the Pro models now. The space budget is now where near as tight as the iPhone.
The iPad mini ... not as clear, but it seems adrift anyway. The 5.5" (and perhaps future 6" ) iPhone seems to have paritally killed that product off. if Apple drops the "normal" iPad 9.7 down into the mini's price points then it is being crushed from both sides.
None of the Macs have space constraints that the iOS devices have. The jack will probably remain for basic audio. The legacy digital out alternative mode ... not so much. The USB digital audio digit out is the track Apple will probably follow.
Does it make sense that Apple declares the jack audio a dead technology and proposes lightning to become the new standard (paving the way to hi-res audio), just to move to USB audio on Macs?
I too expect the jack to be on a nMP, because video and audio producers work in studios where turnover can be slower than a house. However, I would expect a lightning port appearing on a Mac, at some point. I was pretty sure it would have happened with the MBP. Maybe it doesn't make sense, but since it's one port, very rarely split into more connections, therefore only for headphones or monitor speakers, you may think a future of high-quality headphones and monitor with lightning connection, for hi-res audio. I understand that you can use USB D/A adapters for a high-quality output, but I wouldn't expect to spend hundreds of dollars on a converter just to connect some monitors.
Am I rambling? Or does anyone have a clearer idea of what is happening with the audio jacks and Apple?
I too expect the jack to be on a nMP, because video and audio producers work in studios where turnover can be slower than a house. However, I would expect a lightning port appearing on a Mac, at some point. I was pretty sure it would have happened with the MBP. Maybe it doesn't make sense, but since it's one port, very rarely split into more connections, therefore only for headphones or monitor speakers, you may think a future of high-quality headphones and monitor with lightning connection, for hi-res audio. I understand that you can use USB D/A adapters for a high-quality output, but I wouldn't expect to spend hundreds of dollars on a converter just to connect some monitors.
Am I rambling? Or does anyone have a clearer idea of what is happening with the audio jacks and Apple?
I don't think Lightning will go much further. With USB audio ramping up, Apple will surely move audio to USB-C, eventually. Then again, Lightning might stick around a while longer on the iPhones. Or iPhone 8 next year will trade Lightning for USB-C for good and all Apple's devices will feature USB-C as standard.
No offence, but it would mean that Schiller spent 10 minutes on stage to tell something completely false? (oh dear, given the nMP bullsh.... it may be possible! )
What's the point of changing a standard if you change it again the following year? It wouldn't be a standard.
I think LT would become the port for mobile audio and eventually will percolate to Macs, without excluding USB-C. In the meantime, they will rely on audio jack + USB-C for hi-res audio.
I agree with you that USB-C could have included all functions of LT, but if they chose to move to LT, they will stick with it, at least for the next 5 to 10 years. You know Apple
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[doublepost=1480072892][/doublepost]Besides, they knew USB-C was going to come as a convergent port, much before they planned to replace the audio jack with LT...
)What's the point of changing a standard if you change it again the following year? It wouldn't be a standard.
I think LT would become the port for mobile audio and eventually will percolate to Macs, without excluding USB-C. In the meantime, they will rely on audio jack + USB-C for hi-res audio.
I agree with you that USB-C could have included all functions of LT, but if they chose to move to LT, they will stick with it, at least for the next 5 to 10 years. You know Apple
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[doublepost=1480072892][/doublepost]Besides, they knew USB-C was going to come as a convergent port, much before they planned to replace the audio jack with LT...
Isn't a standard until approved by IEEE and widely available to the industry it's an Apple-Only std, as for Paving the Way to Hi-Res Audio, you must consider LG's new headset the V20 with its integrated Quad-DAC and capable to drive High Impedance Cans-like Headphones, if you are an audiophile you are covered with LG-V20s, OK is not Apple's Ecosystem (most audiophiles dont care the ecosystem), even before the iPhone 7 audiophiles with iDevices use EXTERNAL DACs attached to the iPhone's Lightning connector.
Simple: BEATS
Aftemarket Quality 3.5mm Headphones DONT PAY APPLE TAX, you have Quality Headphones from Sennheisser that humiliates Beats on sound, comfort and build quiality on less than half cost.
With switch to lightning, Brands as Sennheisser needs to pay the APPLE TAX if they want to sell products to Apple users.
Also this is an 'stop' for Chinese knock-off , but i consider it wont last, since the Lightning DRM protocol seems have been cracked.
As Usual, Corporations pays for that to their CEOs to lie.
The iPad Mini wasn't invented by Apple (was against Jobs plans/vision about the post-pc era) and as the Phablet iPhone Plus is a product ruled by the Market conditions, while there are Market for the iPad mini and non-Phablet iPhones then Apple will release both.
I don't know iPad sales figures but the mini was a clear favorite among kids and women, as Kids and Women dont use to buy a Phablet or iPhone Plus as main device for a phone/tablet duo personal setup plus an mac mini or iMac for serious work, also there are pople as me, i use a Phablet as main phone, an iPad pro 12 and and MP with a big 4K screen as phone/tablet/dektop setup, but there are people that favors Phablet/Laptop setup only, those wont buy an iPad mini (or iPad nothing), I consider those the widest Apple user Base (iPhone+/Macbook), but the user base with bigger pockets will choose a tri-device setup (iPhone/iPad mini-10-12/iMac 21/27 ) those users also spend more on Apple ecosystem producs.
So Cheap Apple Users dont buy iPads (either size).
Premium Apple Users buys iPad mini (more likely kids and women) or some iPad Pro Flavor.
As Few Macbook Pro Users buys iPads and iPhone non Plus.
As rare Desktop Macs Users buy Macbooks non-pro (mostly those that needs a Mobile Workstation on contigency).
No offence, but it would mean that Schiller spent 10 minutes on stage to tell something completely false? (oh dear, given the nMP bullsh.... it may be possible!
What's the point of changing a standard if you change it again the following year? It wouldn't be a standard.
I think LT would become the port for mobile audio and eventually will percolate to Macs, without excluding USB-C. In the meantime, they will rely on audio jack + USB-C for hi-res audio.
I agree with you that USB-C could have included all functions of LT, but if they chose to move to LT, they will stick with it, at least for the next 5 to 10 years. You know Apple
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[doublepost=1480072892][/doublepost]Besides, they knew USB-C was going to come as a convergent port, much before they planned to replace the audio jack with LT...
The "standard" they're pushing with the iPhones is wireless, not Lightning. Why that's so hard for people to understand, I have no idea.
As much as people give Apple **** for abandoning its old standards and moving to the next big thing... they really don't. FireWire 400 lasted a full decade. FireWire 800 lasted a little more than that. The old 30-pin connector? That was around for nearly nine years. Thunderbolt's relatively short five-year span before they changed the connector shape is a relative anomaly.
Don't expect Apple to ditch Lightning for at least another few years. The fact they stuck it on their keyboard peripherals which they only update every few years should be indication enough they aren't going to dump it immediately.
So.. does anybody know the when next anticipated event is where they could announce a new Mac Pro?
Past years have included a February event, march spring time event, April event. It really could be anyone's guess. If the new xeons are any indication from what I have picked up through this thread and others it's more likely in Q1 2017, but even that is unknown if Apple really will update it.
My opinion is the Thunderbolt displays sales suffered due to both the lingering and languishing sales of both the Mac Pro and Mac Mini, I really could see Apple just axing them as well
[doublepost=1480108664][/doublepost]It's as if today's Apple "system and ecosystem" include attached displays anything beyond that is non of Apples business. Sure they'll suggest an LG Display but the control over the ecosystem and overall user experience has been axed for margins sake.
When you can innovate anymore at least keep your margins up
My opinion is the Thunderbolt displays sales suffered due to both the lingering and languishing sales of both the Mac Pro and Mac Mini, I really could see Apple just axing them as well
[doublepost=1480108664][/doublepost]It's as if today's Apple "system and ecosystem" include attached displays anything beyond that is non of Apples business. Sure they'll suggest an LG Display but the control over the ecosystem and overall user experience has been axed for margins sake.
When you can innovate anymore at least keep your margins up
Apple has been rotting at the core since the move to SSDs and high DPI. Since they can give the illusion of the super responsive system, there's no need to compete. If you put the machine to any high level workload, they fall flat on their face.Past years have included a February event, march spring time event, April event. It really could be anyone's guess. If the new xeons are any indication from what I have picked up through this thread and others it's more likely in Q1 2017, but even that is unknown if Apple really will update it.
My opinion is the Thunderbolt displays sales suffered due to both the lingering and languishing sales of both the Mac Pro and Mac Mini, I really could see Apple just axing them as well
[doublepost=1480108664][/doublepost]It's as if today's Apple "system and ecosystem" include attached displays anything beyond that is non of Apples business. Sure they'll suggest an LG Display but the control over the ecosystem and overall user experience has been axed for margins sake.
When you can innovate anymore at least keep your margins up
So that it could join Steve in the graveyard he alluded to?
I think Apple has accomplished that.
1074 days.