That's why I said double cHeck mate. Lol
Joke is a joke.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Joke is a joke.
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That is exactly my point. As has been pointed out Apple trotted out the new MacBook Pro with a dual 5k and dual raid setup with final cut running-during the announcement, suggesting this is the workhorse you've been asking for "seriously 2x the 5k!!!"
Apples flagship desktop cannot sustain current and on the horizon tech (USB-c, Thunderbolt 3, or the displays on Apples storefront. Even with the recent report that 'older' macs can use the display at lower resolutions there is an asterisk for both the headless offerings that the 5k should be a secondary display and might not even boot properly without one. All of this culminates to the Mac Pro is neglected and quite frankley outdated-by apple's own admission. That's isn't to dispute it as a powerful machine-but it is no longer cutting edge (quotes like "can't innovate anymore, my ass" and bringing the first consumer 64-bit computer, come to mind).
@whwang-sincerely, thank you for your response-I agree with you, the MacBook Pro is a great "accessory" in a workflow, but certainly not the ideal workhorse many are accustomed to.
Guys/Gals, calm down a bit.
The new-new Mac Pro (if the "i" is indeed dropped) will be quite a beefy Mac w/ Vega and Skylake chips.
Early 2017 6,8,10-core (i)Mac Pros w/ Vega, 5K 10-bit P3 panels, stupid fast SSD, w/ oodles of USB-C/TB3 ports will be sweet.
The Kaby Lake 4-core i7 4.2GHz regular (i)Macs w/ Polaris, will also make most Mac users very happy.
Except for those working w/ 6~8K video and/or other extreme niche segmented tasks,
many (who have cash to spend) have a lot to be excited about from Apple next year,
and most will be ecstatic when they lay their eyes & hands on the new Macs.
The new-new Mac Pro (if the "i" is indeed dropped) will be quite a beefy Mac w/ Vega and Skylake chips.
Early 2017 6,8,10-core (i)Mac Pros w/ Vega, 5K 10-bit P3 panels, stupid fast SSD, w/ oodles of USB-C/TB3 ports will be sweet.
The Kaby Lake 4-core i7 4.2GHz regular (i)Macs w/ Polaris, will also make most Mac users very happy.
Except for those working w/ 6~8K video and/or other extreme niche segmented tasks,
many (who have cash to spend) have a lot to be excited about from Apple next year,
and most will be ecstatic when they lay their eyes & hands on the new Macs.
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I see the range of possibilities as somewhere between:
A) One or two new iMac models announced in March/April, all with the same thin case design and minor updates to CPU/GPU, USB-C, etc. i.e. - business as usual
B) Complete redesigns of Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro with new packaging all announced together in March so that we can each pick our sweet spot in performance vs. price.
I'm hoping for B but expecting A.
A) One or two new iMac models announced in March/April, all with the same thin case design and minor updates to CPU/GPU, USB-C, etc. i.e. - business as usual
B) Complete redesigns of Mac Mini, iMac and Mac Pro with new packaging all announced together in March so that we can each pick our sweet spot in performance vs. price.
I'm hoping for B but expecting A.
LOL didn't get it. Derp.
My opinion: I don't know anything, but at least I know that.
We are all calm, the only heat in the room is from the exhaust of that beefy 5mm iMac Pro in question.
I am seriously believing your take of this future "Mac Pro" because it aligns perfectly with Apple's "philosophy" of late. If they really have the balls to stick a "Pro" moniker on an AIO then I think many professional users will gladly take the hint and just leave the ecosystem for good. Apple can have their youtuber "pro" audience whatever way they want. May as well go ARM and kick out all developers who rely on the x86 architecture while we are at it.
I totally disagree with ARM for desktop computers. It makes no sense, and x86 really isn't that bad at these speeds. Mobile devices seem to make sense though for the moment, though there are some very high-efficiency x86 low power chips. However who gives a damn, stuff's already compiled for ARM and they've got the plants, moreover different OS's are used for small instead of big devices. It's probably not a big deal.
There is however that new Emulator for ARM that does x86 that supposedly runs full windows 10 Apps. So that's interesting.
There is however that new Emulator for ARM that does x86 that supposedly runs full windows 10 Apps. So that's interesting.
Love my cylinder nMP for dual 4K but if they go to an iMac Pro instead, which seems increasingly likely, won't complain. It'll be the killer desktop developer machine with a great display.
Very calm here, as my expectation to Apple now becomes very low.
If there is an (i)Mac Pro like what you said, I think I will give Apple a break. It's again not the powerful machine many of us envisioned (2 CPU, upgradable graphics, ECC RAM, etc), but it can probably handle some good amount of works. Final question is, can it have at least 128 GB of RAM?
Rosetta reloaded ...
yeah they found some way of making it faster, apparently it's a big deal.
Once again though: I still don't know why x86 is a problem. Though it would be cool in the future for your souped-up cell phone to just plug into a cradle, and have enough juice to be your desktop PC.
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/8/1...s-full-windows-10-with-photoshop-on-arm-chips
Many current choices doesn't make sense, but here they are...
And they just make changes just for the sake of changing, which may seem like a step forward but in reality it isn't, it's an illusion...
What if Tim's silenced by his own rule of not discussing future hardware? Is Tim as a CEO able to make forward looking statements? Amazing products in the pipeline seems to normally be the furthest he goes. Maybe his pre-emptive statement wasn't fully thought through - it seems a curt defensive posture to counter the Bloomberg piece https://www.thurrott.com/hardware/87085/apples-curious-pr-cycle
As a cynical take - would Tim actually delay the Mac Pro update, until after the change of presidents, to allow them to meet then look at manufacturing in the US? Could it ever be a bargaining chip? I mean Apple does look to repatriate a heck of a lot of cash, if only they can bring the repatriation cost down. Would Apple take some of the cost of bringing new Mac production to the US, if only a new Mac Pro? Trump's upcoming precedency seems pretty dangerous for companies like Apple in the amount of turmoil and uncertainty it can bring - causing issues about imports on iPhones would be a huge hit (would they need legally to mention PEOTUS as a risk factor in a future 10-K?)
If you don't expect anything rumour-wise until a March iPad/iMac event that gives CES at the start of January, MWC late February, CeBIT in March. And hopefully an iMac - and can Apple really skirt giving some details about the Mac Pro's future, if they update the iMac? (assuming both lines to carry on).
By that time hopefully AMD will have given more about Ryzen, Vega, AMD Radeon Pro SSG (Radeon Pro WX series already being released). If it's still nothing by March, then waiting till WWDC gets at least closer to Xeon E5 v5.
Thurrott from Windows Weekly seems to take a strong view on Microsoft's statement of intent about ARM - seems a big blow to Intel or at least WIntel - It's showing up Intel and it's weak low power/mobile CPU capabilities.
As a cynical take - would Tim actually delay the Mac Pro update, until after the change of presidents, to allow them to meet then look at manufacturing in the US? Could it ever be a bargaining chip? I mean Apple does look to repatriate a heck of a lot of cash, if only they can bring the repatriation cost down. Would Apple take some of the cost of bringing new Mac production to the US, if only a new Mac Pro? Trump's upcoming precedency seems pretty dangerous for companies like Apple in the amount of turmoil and uncertainty it can bring - causing issues about imports on iPhones would be a huge hit (would they need legally to mention PEOTUS as a risk factor in a future 10-K?)
If you don't expect anything rumour-wise until a March iPad/iMac event that gives CES at the start of January, MWC late February, CeBIT in March. And hopefully an iMac - and can Apple really skirt giving some details about the Mac Pro's future, if they update the iMac? (assuming both lines to carry on).
By that time hopefully AMD will have given more about Ryzen, Vega, AMD Radeon Pro SSG (Radeon Pro WX series already being released). If it's still nothing by March, then waiting till WWDC gets at least closer to Xeon E5 v5.
Thurrott from Windows Weekly seems to take a strong view on Microsoft's statement of intent about ARM - seems a big blow to Intel or at least WIntel - It's showing up Intel and it's weak low power/mobile CPU capabilities.
Is it really impossible to think of an nMP with the AM4 server architecture and double AMD GPUs?
I will try to answer it on my own... because the Summit Ridge doesn't support EEC memory?
Apparently, it is quite limited on the memory bus, too.
I will try to answer it on my own... because the Summit Ridge doesn't support EEC memory?
Apparently, it is quite limited on the memory bus, too.
Yep.
The problem with the AIO Mac Pro or iMac predictions is that Vega doesn't have a variant right now that would fit in an iMac. Easy way to weed out bad predictions.
There is a Vega 11 floating around out there somewhere further out, but Vega 10 is what has appeared in the Mac drivers and there is no way that will fit in an iMac. The only Mac Vega 10 will fit in is a Mac Pro.
Vega 10 in the Mac drivers is a very strong indicator a new Mac Pro is being worked on. The only other option is that maybe Apple would have Vega 10 eGPUs coming, which is pretty unlikely.
Polaris 10 is a good option for the iMacs.
As I recall before the nMP was announced, Tim had sent out an email to someone which said something to the effect of don't worry, your patience will be rewarded. This time he sent an email reply to someone which said that Apple is committed to the Mac. Not exactly the same thing and not as encouraging.
The problem with an AIO is, it can only be as good as when it was released.
The maxed out iMac 5K 2015 when new was considered a beast at that time, and somewhat an adequate "Mac Pro" replacement if you don't mind using the internal 27" screen. The problem is it gives almost zero flexibility: CPU throttling due to lack of air room, soldered / hard to access drives, odd speed of SO-DIMM DDR3, TB2 being the best available I/O etc. It is now only 2 years and we already are at DDR4/TB3, and if either the screen or the computer itself breaks the whole unit it at a halt. A lab or studio with a room of 10 iMac 5K is much less likely to remain productive than 10 2012 Mac Pro's.
So if the projected "Mac Pro 2017" seriously does end up having a permanent screen attached, it will by default be an even less "Pro"machine than the 2013 nMP. If we are stuck with a choice between an MBP and an iMac then we may as well just use the MBP for portability factor. As ridiculous as we know, this is how Phil Shiller justified showing that photo of two 5K monitors attaching to the tbMBP 15" with a RED next to it, alluring it being a workstation replacement setup.
The maxed out iMac 5K 2015 when new was considered a beast at that time, and somewhat an adequate "Mac Pro" replacement if you don't mind using the internal 27" screen. The problem is it gives almost zero flexibility: CPU throttling due to lack of air room, soldered / hard to access drives, odd speed of SO-DIMM DDR3, TB2 being the best available I/O etc. It is now only 2 years and we already are at DDR4/TB3, and if either the screen or the computer itself breaks the whole unit it at a halt. A lab or studio with a room of 10 iMac 5K is much less likely to remain productive than 10 2012 Mac Pro's.
So if the projected "Mac Pro 2017" seriously does end up having a permanent screen attached, it will by default be an even less "Pro"machine than the 2013 nMP. If we are stuck with a choice between an MBP and an iMac then we may as well just use the MBP for portability factor. As ridiculous as we know, this is how Phil Shiller justified showing that photo of two 5K monitors attaching to the tbMBP 15" with a RED next to it, alluring it being a workstation replacement setup.
A little bit about possible future of CPUs: http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/52-english-news/7854-rumor-even-intel-is-studying-a-new-x86-uarch
Tiger Lake is evolution of Cannon Lake.
Tiger Lake is evolution of Cannon Lake.
We have enough cues (not covered on media) the nMP comes as a trashcan again loaded with AMD's Vega 10 based Firepro GPU (D910 ?)and AMD's FirePro WX5100/WX7100 surely rebranded as D710, D510, AMD's vega 10 is being tested and the ONLY mac with enough TDP to host it is the TrashCan Mac Pro (or an really ugly-thick iMac).
Beyond that, I'm in the IT business since 1990 assembling my own PCs, and sometimes buying them, one thing I've learned about, if you want an Optimal system, buy it now, then when you need to update to some critical new technology, then sell your old machine an buy a new widely optimized one, assume the Delta in cost as depreciation, instead to spend personal time with (sometimes) tricky or unbalanced upgrades that actually dont deliver what you need or which may tend to be a support nightmare (as frequent GPU upgrades).