MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[Daniel Reed]

If Apple was going to cancel the Mac Pro for sure, it wouldn't be on the store right now. At first the excuse was that Apple wanted to clear remaining inventory. Now that's just looking silly.

nMP, with the exception of some odd builds, is at least 2 months backordered at most major vendors such as B&H and Adorama - even though sites themselves show them as available. Only way to find out is to attempt to buy one and then call them. I got variations on the phone of (often after long periods of being on hold), "...new Macs are expected from Apple to be delivered the last week of January." One sales manager I spoke with added, "...may not be available for sale for a few weeks after they receive the new Mac shipment."

I suspect after some vendors started listing the nMP as discontinued last year, Apple may have insisted no vendor make such listing unless Apple officially announces so and/or replaces it (i.e. when iMac Pro is revealed)

I bought a nMP recently(no regrets). The ONLY place I could complete an order at was from Apple's web store.

On a side note while... nope, not gonna even offer a hint where/when/sorry... and take this with a grain a salt... I was recently given the strong impression there is an internal debate going on about the naming convention for the new iMacs... it may just be "Mac" and "Mac Pro", even though they're basically iMacs.

It would make sense;
Desktop Mac= Mac + Mac Pro
Mobile Mac = MacBook + MacBook Pro
And all Macs have integrated screens

I can already imagine Tim saying something akin to, "We took a long look at the iMac, and asked ourselves, how can we make the best desktop in the world even better. I am so proud to introduce you to, the new Mac."

 

[handsome pete]

I just have a hunch theres a Mac Pro out there. I don't think it will be a trash can refresh.

Apple redesigned the Mac Pro for a reason. They won't just do an about face and go back to a traditional design. I believe the cylinder is here to stay as long as the Mac Pro remains in production. The alternative is no more Mac Pro at all.

I also believe Apple will stop shutting nvidia out as well.

I don't see that happening.

nMP, with the exception of some odd builds, is 2 months backordered at most major vendors such as B&H and Adorama - even though sites themselves show them as available. Only way to find out is to attempt to buy one and then call them.

I recently purchased a nMP(no regrets), and the ONLY place I could complete an order at was from Apple's web store.

Couldn't that just be vendors not stocking the product to previous levels because it's not a big seller? I mean, if there's no delay from Apple themselves, then that would be the most logical explanation to me.

 

[Aldaris]

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If Apple was going to cancel the Mac Pro for sure, it wouldn't be on the store right now. At first the excuse was that Apple wanted to clear remaining inventory. Now that's just looking silly.

Just like the Thunderbolt Display was? Still on sale in stores, with speculation pointing towards Thunderbolt 3 4k/5k with possible external GPU, cited across all the Mac centric sites? Even up to the day of the October event when an Apple spokesman said they were now out of the stand alone Display business.

Only to be announced discontinued when stock was pretty much dried, most locations and online were depleated soon after.

What is silly is selling a three year old machine (we can safely say that now as units began arriving late December, I believe the first one in the wild was a delivery on the 23rd or 24th)-at introductory prices. That can't support the displays Apple is hocking at its customers.

I'm not reading into what Tim said-I'm reading into reality. I'm hopeful that there will be an update-cautiously, albeit. I am looking at what Apple is putting out there and frankly I'm concerned as well as has been reported some in Apple have voiced concern. Regardless of the Marco article, the Mac Pro is neglected-and further looking more and more unlikely that it will be updated-leaving Apple to focus on consumer appliances, iDevices, watch bands, elegant emojis, and dongles to satisfy your most lustful desires.
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On a side note while... nope, not gonna even offer a hint where/when/sorry... and take this with a grain a salt... I was recently given the strong impression there is an internal debate going on about the naming convention for the new iMacs... it may just be "Mac" and "Mac Pro", even though they're basically iMacs.

It would make sense;
desktop = Mac + Mac Pro
mobile = MacBook + MacBook Pro

Completely agree-especially after the report about the new MacBook "Pros" internal struggle between marketing and engineering. Maybe the issue isn't in fact Tim Cook, but Phil Schiller (not that I'm looking to blame or flame any individual).

Question for those here, interested in a Mac Pro, regardless of field or workflow- would a (current) MacBook Pro satisfy your needs-as Apple tried to promote with the LG ultrafine display pitch?

I argue no-it wouldn't. With that I am of the opinion Apple is abandoning the real world Pro sector- but I sure hope I am wrong and will gladly eat my words.

 

[Daniel Reed]

Couldn't that just be vendors not stocking the product to previous levels because it's not a big seller? I mean, if there's no delay from Apple themselves, then that would be the most logical explanation to me.

The vendors I spoke with were already backordered by months, and 3 of them gave the same specific time estimate of "last week of January" for Apple to delivery to them and then an "unknown" period of time before they could ship those to customers.

 

[goMac]

I'm not reading into what Tim said-I'm reading into reality.

That's exactly my point. I don't think Tim said anything that at all hints that the Mac Pro is being cancelled, but people are twisting it into weird shapes to fit their world view. A section of exactly the grammar Tim used on displays is suddenly some deep sign the Mac Pro is being cut. It was a Q and A with employees. I don't think every single syllable was careful weighted in some effort to send a hidden signal that the Mac Pro is being cut.

Multiple sources are all indicating that work is being done on the Mac Pro. Even the Bloomberg article mentioned Apple is considering moving Mac Pro production back to Asia, which wouldn't make sense if it was for sure cut. At this point, the naysayers here are starting to be out of touch with reality.

What sounds like a bigger sign? A Bloomberg article talking about Apple considering alternate production lines for the Mac Pro going forward, or a single word in a sentence that could imply Apple likes internal displays?

 

[handsome pete]

The vendors I spoke with were already backordered by months, and 3 of them gave the same specific time estimate of "last week of January" for Apple to delivery to them and then an "unknown" period of time before they could ship those to customers.

I guess I'm just not sure what your implication is from the vendors you spoke with. It's readily available through the Apple store, and if I wanted one today I could go to B&H and pick one up.

 

[goMac]

The vendors I spoke with were already backordered by months, and 3 of them gave the same specific time estimate of "last week of January" for Apple to delivery to them and then an "unknown" period of time before they could ship those to customers.

I'm still fairly certain that there was supposed to be a Mac Pro refresh in November, and that inventory was being spun down in preparation for that.

If inventory was being spun down for a discontinuation, we'd see a discontinuation notice like the Thunderbolt Display. In fact, they probably could have done it at the same time.

There's always a chance that key engineers could leave or Tim could wake up on the wrong side of the bed and cancel the Mac Pro. But all indications are right now there is another rev coming.

 

[slughead]

That's exactly my point. I don't think Tim said anything that at all hints that the Mac Pro is being cancelled, but people are twisting it into weird shapes to fit their world view. A section of exactly the grammar Tim used on displays is suddenly some deep sign the Mac Pro is being cut. It was a Q and A with employees. I don't think every single syllable was careful weighted in some effort to send a hidden signal that the Mac Pro is being cut.

Multiple sources are all indicating that work is being done on the Mac Pro. Even the Bloomberg article mentioned Apple is considering moving Mac Pro production back to Asia, which wouldn't make sense if it was for sure cut. At this point, the naysayers here are starting to be out of touch with reality.

What sounds like a bigger sign? A Bloomberg article talking about Apple considering alternate production lines for the Mac Pro going forward, or a single word in a sentence that could imply Apple likes internal displays?

Dude you've been saying the New Mac Pro is around the corner for months (years?) now. As far as who is out of touch with reality, I think most of us suspecting this is the end are saying so because it's been over 1000 days since the last update. Aldaris pointed out that ALL the things you discussed: It's still in stores, updates are rumored by sources, etc. were ALL said about the 4k display. Yet you ignored him and told him he's out of touch with reality.

What?

And by the way, how are those User-upgradeable video cards coming along? Any day now, I'm guessing.

 

[Daniel Reed]

There's always a chance that key engineers could leave or Tim could wake up on the wrong side of the bed and cancel the Mac Pro. But all indications are right now there is another rev coming.

Yup, the new (i)Mac Pro, in Q2.

There may be an Apple press release or media event in mid to late Jan for the new (i)Mac.
Top CPU anticipated Kaby Lake, Core i7-7700K, 4-core, 4.2 GHz, 4.5 GHz boost, 8 MB L3 cache, 91W TDP.

Unknown if the (i)Mac Pro will be mentioned at the same time as the new (i)Mac unveil (but likely).

 

[goMac]

Dude you've been saying the New Mac Pro is around the corner for months now.

I'm the one being backed up by the rumor mill, including the Bloomberg article yesterday. But hey, you've put yourself out there telling everyone that I'm wrong. I can understand your investment and wanting to fight tooth and nail. Good luck to you. I expect you'll move the goal posts if a new Mac Pro arrives.

Me? I'll sit here nice and pretty while the supply chain reports around a new Mac Pro continue to roll in.

On the 5k display - I'm very curious what the insides look like. I've heard they're special!

 

[slughead]

I'm the one being backed up by the rumor mill, including the Bloomberg article yesterday. But hey, you've put yourself out there telling everyone that I'm wrong. I can understand your investment and wanting to fight tooth and nail. Good luck to you. I expect you'll move the goal posts if a new Mac Pro arrives.

Me? I'll sit here nice and pretty while the supply chain reports around a new Mac Pro continue to roll in.

I've been telling people you HAVE BEEN wrong and that I think that--again, based on nothing other than 1000+ days--that you're probably wrong now regardless of the rumor mill. So really? You're going go claim you're right because the rumors say "maybe"?

And once again: How about those video cards you said we'd "probably have"? How about that Apple insider you backed up and stated was legit, only for him to admit he made it all up? How about that November update? You have made hard predictions which were wrong, I've only made one soft prediction that is so far correct.

Out of touch with reality??

I never said I was smart, nor special, I'll leave that to you to claim of yourself. All I said was 1000 days is a long freaking time and it does not bode well. As far as changing the goal posts, how about changing from October to November to May of 2017? Yes, if they release a new update I'll be "wrong" don't forget we're not there yet.

Edit: I will make one caveat : I think it's more likely for Apple to reveal a totally new product than release another iteration of the trash can. I've said that in at least 2 other posts. I'll be fine admitting I'm "wrong" if they stick the Mac Pro label on a different box, or can, or cube, or ball, however I'll commit most strongly to the 6,1 being the last trash can.

 

[goMac]

I've been telling people you HAVE BEEN wrong and that I think that--again, based on nothing other than 1000+ days--that you're probably wrong now regardless of the rumor mill. So really? You're going go claim you're right because the rumors say "maybe"?

I said a new Mac Pro would depend on Vega. Vega publicly got delayed. The new Mac Pro didn't show up in November. Seems pretty gosh darn consistent to me.

If Vega is out for a solid four to six months with no Mac Pro, great! I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

But Vega getting delayed and then no Mac Pro being released is totally consistent with what I've posted. Vega is the hold up.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot that when Vega got delayed, the report on that also stated that there was a version bound for a new Mac Pro. Which is after I posted that here.

 

[Daniel Reed]

Question for those here, interested in a Mac Pro, regardless of field or workflow- would a (current) MacBook Pro satisfy your needs-as Apple tried to promote with the LG ultrafine display pitch?

The nMP, especially the ones manufactured recently running 10.12.2, are good & quite useful, as long as D700s and 1TB SSD are selected - the RAM and CPU is rather easy to get and install for about a quarter the price Apple charges. Horizontal cradle + Small Fan (vornado zippy) drops the temps by about 10C, and further boosts performance upwards of 5-10%

Also as I noted before, the "newer" nMPs have 50% faster 1TB SSD.

...I am of the opinion Apple is abandoning the real world Pro sector- but I sure hope I am wrong and will gladly eat my words.

I believe Tim's is exiting niche markets, such as extreme power users, but may return to it down the long round after the transition away from Intel. For those worried about boot camp, we may see an official Win10 version for Apple's sans-intel new platform.

 

[Peace]

The nMP, especially the ones manufactured recently running 10.12.2, are good & quite useful, as long as D700s and 1TB SSD are selected - the RAM and CPU is rather easy to get and install for about a quarter the price Apple charges. Horizontal cradle + Small Fan (vornado zippy) drops the temps by about 10C, and further boosts performance upwards of 5-10%

Also as I noted before, the "newer" nMPs have 50% faster 1TB SSD.




I believe they are, but they may return to it down the long round after they finish the transition away from Intel. For those worried about boot camp, we may see an official Win10 version for Apple's CPUs from MS.

Could you define "Apple's CPUs" please.

 

[AidenShaw]

Could you define "Apple's CPUs" please.

Perhaps he means "systems that don't support UEFI".

 

[Daniel Reed]

Could you define "Apple's CPUs" please.

A.x family SOC variants

 

[AidenShaw]

A.x family SOC variants

That really doesn't make any sense in context.

Or do you think that Microsoft will try to push a "Windows Phone" update for Apple phones?

It might work, the Apple phone UI is almost 10 years old, and is boring.

 

[Daniel Reed]

That really doesn't make any sense in context.

Or do you think that Microsoft will try to push a "Windows Phone" update for Apple phones?

It might work, the Apple phone UI is almost 10 years old, and is boring.

The short story: there is a growing line of suiters to ARM's bedroom.

One of the big problems in the "new OS wars" is getting full featured apps onto mobile platforms

The Apple solution is changing the hardware base for macOS to align w/ mobile HW + bitcode + misc. encouragements. This approach also has the benefit of helping Apple reach its dream of eventually using their own designed chips + more control + larger margins.

MS is testing win10 builds for ARM varients, runs most "Universal Applications".

A Win10 build for Apple's ARM solution makes sense and offers continued support for bootcamp, IF, a decision is made by top brass to continue supporting Windows during the Mac transition era.

 

[whwang]

Question for those here, interested in a Mac Pro, regardless of field or workflow- would a (current) MacBook Pro satisfy your needs-as Apple tried to promote with the LG ultrafine display pitch?

The question becomes kind of vague once you mentioned MP in the same sentence.

If what you meant is whether the new MBP can replace my MP, then definitely not. The capability of connecting two 5K displays is good, but its CPU is under-powered and the 16 GB of RAM is a joke. There is no way the current MBP can replace my 2010 MP (96 GB of RAM, 20TB of internal HDD, GTX 980, and 2-port 10 Gb ethernet card to connect to a NAS), not even close.

On the other hand, if what you meant is whether the new MBP can be a reasonable laptop given that I already have an MP to do the heavy lifting, then yes. I would still hope it can have 32 GB of RAM, but I can live with 16 GB for now.

 

[Peace]

The short story: there is a growing line of suiters to ARM's bedroom.

One of the big problems in the "new OS wars" is getting full featured apps onto mobile platforms

The Apple solution is changing the hardware base for macOS to align w/ mobile HW + bitcode + misc. encouragements. This approach also has the benefit of helping Apple reach its dream of eventually using their own designed chips + more control + larger margins.

MS is testing win10 builds for ARM varients, runs most "Universal Applications".

A Win10 build for Apple's ARM solution makes sense and offers continued support for bootcamp, IF, a decision is made by top brass to continue supporting Windows in the new era

Oh I'm all for the ARM concept but it needs another 2-5 years before it can be comparable to an Intel Desktop processor.

 

[pat500000]

That's exactly my point. I don't think Tim said anything that at all hints that the Mac Pro is being cancelled, but people are twisting it into weird shapes to fit their world view. A section of exactly the grammar Tim used on displays is suddenly some deep sign the Mac Pro is being cut. It was a Q and A with employees. I don't think every single syllable was careful weighted in some effort to send a hidden signal that the Mac Pro is being cut.

Multiple sources are all indicating that work is being done on the Mac Pro. Even the Bloomberg article mentioned Apple is considering moving Mac Pro production back to Asia, which wouldn't make sense if it was for sure cut. At this point, the naysayers here are starting to be out of touch with reality.

What sounds like a bigger sign? A Bloomberg article talking about Apple considering alternate production lines for the Mac Pro going forward, or a single word in a sentence that could imply Apple likes internal displays?

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. If it isn't cancelled, what hard evidence do you have that indicates Mac Pro is coming? If it is coming, then great. If not, then whatever. What I'm seeing here and what Apple was trying to do is get manufacturing into china and India. Apparently, Tim is at the rough rope between getting products via internationally rather than USA but we got trump who vows to end the outsourcing. You may be right that it doesn't mean cancellation, but if you're saying nayers are out of touch, then I haven't seen concrete evidence that Mac Pro is coming. Out of touch goes both ways.

 

[fastlanephil]

I guess I'm just not sure what your implication is from the vendors you spoke with. It's readily available through the Apple store, and if I wanted one today I could go to B&H and pick one up.

I checked some online resellers including B&H Photo and it looks like the base Mac Pro four-core is not shown in stock in all but one. PowerMax shows the Mac Pro four-core as an option but selecting it takes you to the six-core. It seems it's either a screw up as far as with PowerMax, Apple can't keep up with base Mac Pro four-core orders(highly unlikely) or something else is going on. I also see that the base four-core is not in stock at my local Apple Store (Dec 27th).

 

[slughead]

Let's play devil's advocate for a moment. If it isn't cancelled, what hard evidence do you have that indicates Mac Pro is coming? If it is coming, then great. If not, then whatever. What I'm seeing here and what Apple was trying to do is get manufacturing into china and India. Apparently, Tim is at the rough rope between getting products via internally rather than USA but we got trump who voes to end the outsourcing. You may be right that it doesn't mean cancellation, but if you're saying nayers are out of touch, then I haven't seen concrete evidence that Mac Pro is coming. Out of touch goes both ways.

You clearly don't understand. Let me explain it to you:
1. goMac said the Mac Pros, which had not been updated in 1100 days, were going to be refreshed in October November if Vega were released. Apple sooooooo would've released an update within a reasonable time period but back in 2014 2015 there was no Vega! Couldn't do it. It had to be Vega, nothing else would do. They set their sights on November 2016
2. Vega was not released in November 2016, it was delayed until 2h 2017
3. no Mac Pro was released in November 2016 (which was totally what Apple wanted to do, didn't you know that?)
4. Clearly Apple totally would've released it in November but Vega was delayed, this just proves it!

CONCRETE EVIDENCE. CHECK MATE.

 

[pat500000]

Don't you get it. Let me explain it to you:
1. goMac said the Mac Pros, which had not been updated in 1100 days, were going to be refreshed in October November if Vega were released. Apple sooooooo would've released an update within a reasonable time period but back in 2014 there was no Vega! Couldn't do it.
2. Vega was not released in November 2016, it was delayed until 2h 2017
3. no Mac Pro was released in November 2016 (which was totally what Apple wanted to do)
4. Clearly Apple totally would've released it in November but Vega was delayed, this just proves it!

CONCRETE EVIDENCE. CHECK MATE.

That doesn't prove anything. It's a guessing game with amd or nvidia. Concrete evidence has to be parts'number or some sort....actually..evidence has to come from Apple like documents. Is there Apple documents that states that nmp is coming?

Check double mate

 

[slughead]

That doesn't prove anything. Concrete evidence has to be parts'number or some sort....actually..evidence has to come from Apple like documents. Is there Apple documents that states that nmp is coming?

That was the joke, you must have some patience adhering to Poe's law