I don't think the second part of your post is at all an inference that could be made from the first part.
Not everything they make in China is an iMac.
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I don't think the second part of your post is at all an inference that could be made from the first part.
Not everything they make in China is an iMac.
We all agree in that. That is why I said that I would buy it now if Apple would lower the price fairly. It looks like Apple not only wants to make Mac Pro disappear but also dont want people to buy it.
Don't expect Awesome FP64 performance on the next nMP:
Vega 10 FP64 performance to be 1/16 FP32 or ~ 750GFlopt at Best... (source WCtech Blog)
nVidia has No FP64 Compute Pascal GP100 rival until Vega20
Vega 10 FP64 performance to be 1/16 FP32 or ~ 750GFlopt at Best... (source WCtech Blog)
nVidia has No FP64 Compute Pascal GP100 rival until Vega20
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Did you try it out? My 4,1 is running macOS Sierra just fine. I have to admit that i flashed it to "5,1" and did some upgrades, but it is working.I can't update my 4,1 to latest Mac OS, but there is no desktop to justify buying either.
Well... Apple uses cheap thermal paste in the Mac Pro 6,1
Its the same cheap junk Dell uses that dries up and is only rated to maintain 50% effectiveness after 3 years.
Also, it seems some Mac Pro's get "too much" thermal paste when they are assembled in Texas.
This is why most "Mac Repair" shops replace the dried up thermal compound w/ Arctic Silver to "fix" a lot of slow mac problems.
Basically you have bad combo here:
Lower then effective fan speeds to promote the device as "quiet".
Cheap thermal paste that dries up and causes CPU temps to rise over time, compounded by the slow fans.
(There's also issue with beading, but I won't go into that here)
I've personally seen a minimum of 4C reduction in temps for Mac Pro 6,1 by replacing the CPU thermal paste. Use of SMCfanControl will also easily drop 10C in temp from a Mac Pro 6,1.
It truly amazes me that Apple uses the same "planned for obsolesce" technique Dell does.
I suspect it may just be an oversight on Apple's part. (and perhaps a source of the frustration w/ assembly in Texas, but the Foxcon folks do the same thing with the iMac... soooo, who knows)
My 12-core D700 1TB Mac Pro idles at 22C and rarely goes past 30C under sustained loads.
But, I built a wind tunnel shelf, in addition to steps mentioned above.
My Mac Pro setup is ranked #1 for single-core & #3 for multi-core performance for 12-core Mac Pro 6,1.
See my Geekbench scores: Online Benchmark Results (user dread64)
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"If Apple were going to update this Mac Pro, we should have seen it two years ago. If Apple were going to scrap this design and replace it with something else (like they did with the short-lived “sunflower” iMac G4 design in 2002), we should have seen the replacement a year ago. And if they were planning to abolish the Mac Pro, that should have happened this past year — or at least we should have seen prices drop significantly on these three-year-old workstations.
Updates to the same basic design would make sense. An all-new design would make sense. Getting out of the Mac Pro game would make sense. Selling 1000-day-old pro workstations at the same prices as in 2013 makes no sense. Whatever the explanation is, this situation is an unmitigated disaster.” — John Gruber
"But here’s the problem: in retrospect, what they built was a device based around their own ego needs of proving their critics wrong, not a device that served the purposes of their power users. It’s not configurable, it’s not upgradeable, it’s not expandable: It’s pretty, and full of (for 2013) innovative hardware design, but is that really what Apple’s power users needed?” — Chuq Von Rospach
In short, a clusterf’ck. One where disdain increases with every passing day without concrete news. Not dropping the price means a milking strategy to recover sunk costs in form factor. And this, from a company with a very rich building program.
Updates to the same basic design would make sense. An all-new design would make sense. Getting out of the Mac Pro game would make sense. Selling 1000-day-old pro workstations at the same prices as in 2013 makes no sense. Whatever the explanation is, this situation is an unmitigated disaster.” — John Gruber
"But here’s the problem: in retrospect, what they built was a device based around their own ego needs of proving their critics wrong, not a device that served the purposes of their power users. It’s not configurable, it’s not upgradeable, it’s not expandable: It’s pretty, and full of (for 2013) innovative hardware design, but is that really what Apple’s power users needed?” — Chuq Von Rospach
In short, a clusterf’ck. One where disdain increases with every passing day without concrete news. Not dropping the price means a milking strategy to recover sunk costs in form factor. And this, from a company with a very rich building program.
Could it be because many Apple users will buy a new system when the old one acts up, without investigating why?
That would make "gobs of toothpaste" more profitable than properly applied Arctic Silver.
Or it doesn't matter? I've never had any of my desktop Macs act up via a hardware issue *at all*, let alone one I suspected would be thermal paste related.
It does matter, I can tell you from first hand experience. In a 2008 MBP by going from Apple's toothpaste to a cheap silver thermal paste I lost 5°C on average under load. That can make or break a system.
How many manufacturers use Artic Silver actually? Is it just Apple?
Even Intel does a poor job when it comes to IHS interfacing.
Not saying it's ok, of course it isn't, but I'm sure it's a business decision and that all pros and cons have been looked at.
Of course in such a pricey machine that shouldn't even be something to consider, but it's a business after all.
I does make sense, specially in the nMP, that we should want to keep temps as low as possible. But have we heard of any temp related breakdowns?
[doublepost=1483873009][/doublepost]Now, this is a nice display:
https://www.techpowerup.com/229346/dell-unveils-32-8k-ultrasharp-monitor
http://fudzilla.com/news/42551-dell-unveils-32-inch-ultrasharp-8k-monitor-at-ces
8K is overkill of course but it seems to be coming.
I still can't get over Apple ditching the display business.
I was eager to get a new TB3 rTBD to go along the Mid 2017 or Late 2017 (whatever ) nMP. I look at LG's offering and it doesn't compute.
Maybe they'll reconsider.
Even Intel does a poor job when it comes to IHS interfacing.
Not saying it's ok, of course it isn't, but I'm sure it's a business decision and that all pros and cons have been looked at.
Of course in such a pricey machine that shouldn't even be something to consider, but it's a business after all.
I does make sense, specially in the nMP, that we should want to keep temps as low as possible. But have we heard of any temp related breakdowns?
[doublepost=1483873009][/doublepost]Now, this is a nice display:
https://www.techpowerup.com/229346/dell-unveils-32-8k-ultrasharp-monitor
http://fudzilla.com/news/42551-dell-unveils-32-inch-ultrasharp-8k-monitor-at-ces
8K is overkill of course but it seems to be coming.
I still can't get over Apple ditching the display business.
I was eager to get a new TB3 rTBD to go along the Mid 2017 or Late 2017 (whatever
) nMP. I look at LG's offering and it doesn't compute.Maybe they'll reconsider.
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From what I hear mostly GPU, but the question is moot, both chip use thermal paste.
Actually, no has a clue what's going on at Apple right now besides a good chance of an iMac refresh in early 2017.
I think that the problems were due to a bad bunch of GPUs and there was a repair program for them. Do you have any further details for these thermal paste issues? I'm really interested...
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I would have to say that there's internal problem at Apple and Tim is just ignoring it as if nothing happened. Therefore the new nmp already came out for 2017....nmp 6,1.
It is MacPro 1,1 running OS X El Capitan. It got many upgrade with SSD, display card, CPU (from 4 to 8 cores) and ram.
The display card died again and I do not want to repair as it is too old. My i4970K is a lot faster than it. But Win10 is awful although I am also using Windows since 3.1.