In my opinion, Apple wont release the Mac Pro 7.1 until the Xeon E5 V5 Skylake are available, and this wont happen until end of 2017 thanks to Intel's bad management. So it is irrelevant if Vega is ready within the next few months. The Mac Pro will be then 4 years without an update.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Apple couldve released it with v4. Which was out last year and couldve used that up to 22 cores for marketing.
Again, without the new X299 (C622?) why bother at all? Just to say it's different?!
The nMP needs Basin Falls to be a great computer, no way around it.
I'm still saying it will be Basin Falls, SKL-W and Vega/Polaris, whenever all that comes together, 2H'17 probably.
It will be all USB-C type ports, at least 6 of them will have TB3, maybe 2 SSDs this time.
No compromise. Other than this it will be severely limited.
It would be kinda stupid at this time to go with C612 again.
I wonder what people would say in that case? I know I'd be pissed, after all this wait it must be worth it.
Too bad about the nTBD though, I was really looking forward to it. The LG is not the real deal, to me.
The nMP needs Basin Falls to be a great computer, no way around it.
I'm still saying it will be Basin Falls, SKL-W and Vega/Polaris, whenever all that comes together, 2H'17 probably.
It will be all USB-C type ports, at least 6 of them will have TB3, maybe 2 SSDs this time.
No compromise. Other than this it will be severely limited.
It would be kinda stupid at this time to go with C612 again.
I wonder what people would say in that case? I know I'd be pissed, after all this wait it must be worth it.
Too bad about the nTBD though, I was really looking forward to it. The LG is not the real deal, to me.
For a desktop it will need E-net and at least DVI or HDMI out. Maybe 2 usb-A ports if just for mouse / keyboard unless apple gives you wireless ones.
But there is not the pci-e bandwidth for 2 video cards + 6 TB3 ports.
I'm betting they'll ditch Ethernet ports soon enough as well. All dongles for those in need.
There will be (sort of) with SKL-W, that's why I believe they'll wait.
CPU gets up to 48 lanes, and another 20 (or 24) from the PCH.
Plenty of lanes for everything. Struggling for bandwidth is another story, specially those hanging from the PCH, but het - can't have it all.
There will be (sort of) with SKL-W, that's why I believe they'll wait.
CPU gets up to 48 lanes, and another 20 (or 24) from the PCH.
Plenty of lanes for everything. Struggling for bandwidth is another story, specially those hanging from the PCH, but het - can't have it all.
...not to mention faster and higher capacity memory.
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This is nothing new - the current nMP uses a PCIe switch to increase the number of lanes. With SkyLake, the PCIe switch is simply included in the PCH.
This is not a good move. Why would they drop ethernet? In the case of MP is not something that makes a problem, the inclusion of ethernet ports solves problems, and definetly is a must for pro users.
In the case of MBPs I understand that it was an obstacle for the desired thinness, but again in nMP why? The dongle will also occupy another valuable port.
Or buying a dock will be a must?
Guess Apple didn't solve the thermal issues after all
Or maybe changing it for "While waiting for Mac Pro 7.1, lets speculate and speculate and speculate..."
Yeah...ever since mr released an article about kaby lake with no e5 Xeon info...I knew already there's nothing this year. While we could wait and see if zen comes out with vega, I see doubts about it.
I wouldn't know the specifics..more like kayoot would know more about amd products.
Up to 32 cores/ 64 threads i believe. Not sure how well they will perform compared to intels skylake ep though..
Although maybe someone else would know better then me.
Nope. 16C/32T, 24C/48T, 32C/64T configs, made from number of 8C/16T CPUs connected through MCM.
If 32C/64T setup has 128 PCIe lanes, that means that 8C/16T has available 32 lanes. Sufficient CPU for Mac Pro would have therefore quad channel memory setup and 64 PCIe lanes. Both 16 and 24 core setups are 150W designs.
They can also be "cut down" in core counts.
Thanks. So AMD ZEN would suit easily for a new MacPro 7.1?
Wait, so the 32 core zen configuration is not a single die? Is this backed up by any reputable news source or are you just repeating random message board posts?
Yes it is, but they are internally connected through MCM. I do not have more data on this, I am repeating what I have been told, unfortunately on this occasion.
Its up to Apple to decide if this is "good enough" for them.
One might want to consider:
It took Apple how many years to convert MacOS from PPC to Intel? Also, how many issues have they had with the current OS and hardware?
I'm not saying that it won't happen, just that one might want to be cautious about jumping on the first car of that train and who knows how long it would be before the second car would be coupled on...
When Apple made the announcement of the shift from PPC to intel, iirc, they said they had been doing so since the original OSX (puma?) and building/compiling in concert for the eventuality of switching, with today's Apple who knows what could have been going on in their labs... we surely know it wasn't a 2014 MacPro or a 2015 MacPro or a 2016 MacPro (yes I recognize that hardware and software teams wouldn't be working/pulled from the a project).
Verified from WWDC 2005-Steve announces the shift and states that OSX has lived a secret double life for the past 5 years with 10.0 cheetah. It wouldn't be insane to consider if they have another contigincy plan: not that I am advocating in any direction.
PCHs have been nothing but switches for a while now. With Flex IO you (not really you) select what which channel will be allocated to.
With SKL-W the CPU gets more integrated lanes, the link to the PCH is DMI 3 (instead of 2) and the switch inside the PCH is PCIe 3. While not perfect, it's all much better than what we have now. Mem speed also gets a boost.
I believe this is what Apple is waiting for, so that it can be a worthy upgrade.
We might still get dual GbE (now we have enough free lanes) this time around but I doubt there will be any USB type A anymore. Even HDMI will probably go.
I'm hoping this is what we'll see, I consider it the perfect machine.
Picture this: 2 GPUs for a total of 32 PCIe 3 lanes on the CPU. The remaining 16 would go for 3 TB3 controllers and one SSD. Another (optional) SSD could go in the PCH, taking 4 lanes. You still have enough left for a couple of X540 10GbE controllers and an AC 7260.
Bubba, why not Itanium or a successor? Wouldn't it fit nicely in the nMP?
Zen - sorry, Ryzen - is a modular design indeed. Add blocks to build larger "dies".
we still need to confirm the number of lanes, I don't think it's confirmed yet.
[doublepost=1483571184][/doublepost]X299 seems to be confirmed for September:
http://wccftech.com/msi-am4-x370-motherboard-ryzen-cpu/
With SKL-W the CPU gets more integrated lanes, the link to the PCH is DMI 3 (instead of 2) and the switch inside the PCH is PCIe 3. While not perfect, it's all much better than what we have now. Mem speed also gets a boost.
I believe this is what Apple is waiting for, so that it can be a worthy upgrade.
We might still get dual GbE (now we have enough free lanes) this time around but I doubt there will be any USB type A anymore. Even HDMI will probably go.
I'm hoping this is what we'll see, I consider it the perfect machine.
Picture this: 2 GPUs for a total of 32 PCIe 3 lanes on the CPU. The remaining 16 would go for 3 TB3 controllers and one SSD. Another (optional) SSD could go in the PCH, taking 4 lanes. You still have enough left for a couple of X540 10GbE controllers and an AC 7260.
Bubba, why not Itanium or a successor? Wouldn't it fit nicely in the nMP?
Zen - sorry, Ryzen - is a modular design indeed. Add blocks to build larger "dies".
we still need to confirm the number of lanes, I don't think it's confirmed yet.
[doublepost=1483571184][/doublepost]X299 seems to be confirmed for September:
http://wccftech.com/msi-am4-x370-motherboard-ryzen-cpu/