470 tops without design change and if there will also be a new Mac Pro. 480 with a design change in case the iMac becomes the new Mac Pro. That's just speculation of course.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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How could x86 possibly disappear -- regardless of whether Intel makes certain future architectural changes? Today the datacenter is nearly 100% x86. If you examine this table of top transaction processing results, nearly 100% of the fastest servers are running Xeon x86 CPUs: http://www.tpc.org/tpce/results/tpce_perf_results.asp
Recent academic studies have shown at the upper performance levels there is no efficiency or scalability difference between ISAs (Instruction Set Architectures) -- even between ARM and x86: http://research.cs.wisc.edu/vertical/papers/2013/hpca13-isa-power-struggles.pdf
IF ARM/Apple CPUs *could* be scaled up to the performance level of the 24-core Xeon E7-8890 v4 (which does about 3,100 Linpack gigaFLOPS), they would be burning just as many watts and would be no cheaper to manufacture. There is no credible roadmap that ARM/Apple CPUs can be scaled up to this performance level, but IF they were, there would be no architectural, performance or efficiency advantage.
IF they could ever reach that performance level it would be a competitive supplier to Intel and that might create pricing pressure on Intel which would benefit customers. But that would not be due to some architectural, performance or efficiency advantage, but solely as an additional CPU supplier. But for that to happen ARM-architecture CPUs must get there first.
Google, Facebook and other gigantic datacenters are constantly examining and testing alternatives to x86 servers. If ARM, Apple, IBM, or Oracle could supply a high-end CPU solution which was cheaper, faster or more efficient, they would deploy those beyond a limited test. But so far that is not happening.
IBM is already far ahead of ARM/Apple in CPU performance with the Power8 and upcoming Power9 CPU family. However even those have not successfully challenged Intel's dominance in the high-end workstation and server space, so the idea that x86 will somehow fade away anytime soon is without much basis.
Here's some fuel for the fire. Razer Synapse (Razer being the company that makes gaming peripherals and an eGPU solution) update just said in the notes (sorry I didn't get a screenshot) something to the effect of:
this update provides full Mac support - stay tuned to find out what that means!
Core support maybe??
this update provides full Mac support - stay tuned to find out what that means!
Core support maybe??
After all the waiting for the nnMP, 2016 is ready to leave us too, so I 'll take this opportunity to wish to all the fellows here and members of MR a happy, healthy, peaceful and prosperous new year...
Yep, I guess at best Early 2017 nMP but probably only Mid 2017.
Happy new year guys.
Happy new year guys.
Here it is in three quarters of an hour 2017.
Happy new year guys.
Happy new year guys.
What I've read about points to a weird itanium-x86 hybrid, a new Instruction set very optimized for SIMD and IPC while legacy x86 will run on efficient emulation mode, remembers me the failed transition from 80286 to ia64, but revised with new grounds and much less pain.
Happy New Year everybody
Must be Mac Pro buyers waiting in line.
Mago, that would be just another patchwork from Intel, again.
This is the time to start with a clean slate.
And if anyone can do it it's surely Intel.
[doublepost=1483278843][/doublepost]Not related to the nMP but another roadmap change? KBL refresh? A refresh of another refresh?
http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-refresh-coffee-lake-cfl-u-h-s-x/
Worrying the lack of info on the workstation parts (read -W variants). Are they still on track or also delayed or trashed?
This is the time to start with a clean slate.
And if anyone can do it it's surely Intel.
[doublepost=1483278843][/doublepost]Not related to the nMP but another roadmap change? KBL refresh? A refresh of another refresh?
http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-refresh-coffee-lake-cfl-u-h-s-x/
Worrying the lack of info on the workstation parts (read -W variants). Are they still on track or also delayed or trashed?
Well, its because of the quality of Ryzen. Intel has dedicated enginners that can reverse engineer the uarch from Zen, and estimate its performance.
Think about it for a second. AMD can offer for 400$ something that Intel offers for 1100$. With lower power consumption, and higher core clocks. Thats why mobile and desktop Kaby Lake will feature 6 cores.
About possible next generation uarch from Intel I will not even speculate at this point for simple reason. If it is slated for 2021 release, the prototyping of it started just recently.
Gee, I didn't realize that they held meetings for Tim Cook's fan club in Times Square...
I don't think wccftech translated this correctly. Intel didn't cancel the whole KBL-H line of CPUs, but just the new 18W QuadCore CPU. Instead, it'll be released as KBL-R in the 2nd half of 2017.
The rest of the Kaby Lake lineup will remain untouched until it gets replaced by Cannon Lake / Coffee Lake in 2018. At least that's how I understand the original source & the leaked slides...
Ha.. Here's a screengrab for the drivers for my new Core i7-6850 6-core.
"Windows 10 is great now," they said. "There's no reason to stick with Macs," they said.
Thirty minutes into troubleshooting why Windows Update constantly fails to actually update anything..
But at least my 5,1 keeps going like a champ.
(Also getting back from vacation reminds me of how useful multiple monitors is. After two weeks of working on my 13" MBP I realized I basically had what felt like tunnel vision staring at my larger screens.)
Monitor-tech issues aside, while it'd be interesting for Apple to make a "fat iMac" as a Mac Pro, I haven't really been impressed with any of the PC AIOs I've used. The HP ones seem like a great idea in practice, but cracking them open is fiddly (feels like an old car, not a modern tech product) and their hinge/base stand is a total bitch to manipulate. Maybe the Surface Studio's is as nice as it looks in the commercials.
If you were gonna' make a pro all-in-one with an emphasis on user modifications, seems like you'd be better off taking a page from the Mac pro and putting as much as you could on a tray you could slide out from the bottom or top of the enclosure, work on and then slot back in.
Thirty minutes into troubleshooting why Windows Update constantly fails to actually update anything..
But at least my 5,1 keeps going like a champ.
(Also getting back from vacation reminds me of how useful multiple monitors is. After two weeks of working on my 13" MBP I realized I basically had what felt like tunnel vision staring at my larger screens.)
Monitor-tech issues aside, while it'd be interesting for Apple to make a "fat iMac" as a Mac Pro, I haven't really been impressed with any of the PC AIOs I've used. The HP ones seem like a great idea in practice, but cracking them open is fiddly (feels like an old car, not a modern tech product) and their hinge/base stand is a total bitch to manipulate. Maybe the Surface Studio's is as nice as it looks in the commercials.
If you were gonna' make a pro all-in-one with an emphasis on user modifications, seems like you'd be better off taking a page from the Mac pro and putting as much as you could on a tray you could slide out from the bottom or top of the enclosure, work on and then slot back in.
Vega seems the perfect fit for the high end cards in the nMP.
If it really is all that impressive.
http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-features/
If it really is all that impressive.
http://wccftech.com/amd-vega-features/
Addition to previous information about absurdity of Intel managment...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...cation-and-talent-to-fund-feminist-frequency/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...cation-and-talent-to-fund-feminist-frequency/
Not Mac Pro related, but Intel released Kaby Lake CPUs. And they have lower prices .
7700T costs 272$ compared to 359 for 6700T. 7700 costs the same amount - 272$ compared to 329$ for 6700. And finally 7700K costs 305$ compared to 359$.
Finally the prices have dropped a bit.
.7700T costs 272$ compared to 359 for 6700T. 7700 costs the same amount - 272$ compared to 329$ for 6700. And finally 7700K costs 305$ compared to 359$.
Finally the prices have dropped a bit.
Breitbart?!? Seriously?
I guess it's okay to quote TMZ as a reliable source of tech info, too...