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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

Adam Warlock said:
Because HP is struggling so they are willing to take risks, try new things, push the envelope, etc. Apple has become a fat cat, lazy, slow and very, very comfortable raking in easy money. The minute the cash stops flowing in they'll wake up. Hopefully by then it won't be too late.

PS. Cook & co need to go. Now!
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I already begin to regret having bought two iPhones in the last years... Therefore having helped Apple establish the wrong direction.

This 'mobile phone with a subscription' thing has to stop. Over two years one pays the same, but has the illusion of getting an iPhone for free every two years. Brillant in marketing terms.
 
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Synchro3 said:
I already begin to regret having bought two iPhones in the last years... Therefore having helped Apple establish the wrong direction.

This 'mobile phone with a subscription' thing has to stop. Over two years one pays the same, but has the illusion of getting an iPhone for free every two years. Brillant in marketing terms.
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Probably the contract free version would have been better.
 
If Mac is 10% of revenues - would an empty product pipeline for Mac refreshes become a stockholder issue wrt an Apple SEC 10-K that didn't give enough guidance about Macs?
 
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askunk said:

It makes you think. Not much the fact that hackintoshes are becoming more stable, but the thought of how much the nMP 6,1 is really worth today...
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$8800 (for a machine that meets the specs I need) that's 3 years old is sad... I revoked my fanboy status a few years back, and seeing that they haven't stepped up their game since then has only solidified that... Shame really, OSX is a great OS but their hardware is not only overpriced, (as it always has been) it's out of touch and paying 8x the price for an OS? That's just plain silly...
 
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shab said:
I wish they bring back the tower. :(
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Me too! I still run my 2009 / 2012 frankenstein Mac Pro as my DAW computer and it still runs everything I need with plenty of balls. Hell I'm still surprised how much I can do at once in this thing... The best money I ever spent was upgrading the CPUs to 3.46 Ghz.

Connectivity sucks for sure, I'm forever tethered to USB and firewire... but between PCIe flash storage and filling up all bays external storage isn't much of an issue aside from having a a redundant backup... (which is torturously slow...)
 
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sigmadog said:
I'm just wondering how to fit that title on the poster...
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pat500000 said:
Actually, fcpx got better with latest update. I like the new ui.
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I agree and honestly macs are superior to pc if all you need to do is either image editing or video editing. And in that regards they don't ever need to update the Mac again. In my belief video editing in the sense of putting together videos and adding som filters and color correction and transitions (fcpx) computers have reached the same peak that they did a few years back with image editing. If you have a maxed out current Mac Pro you can edit any 4K videos with ease. And photoshop or any image editing software don't need anything near that power.
And! The only reason why premiere does it so slow in comparison is that the software is really badly optimized. Editing and exporting in premiere compared to fcpx is just embarrassingly slow and no machine power in the world can change that. I wonder what the premiere team is thinking when they see the performance differences compared to fcpx. My golden "toy" MacBook which don't even have mobile grade internals does better in fcpx than my pc with 6 cores of 4.4 ghz in premiere.

BUT, if you don't just edit movies or images the Mac has fallen faaaaar behind. 3D rendering, modeling, games, realtime 3d, vr, any kind of heavy calculations, you are better off with a pc these days.
Probably apple thinks those tasks are not meant for macs, since from all the marketing you see from apple, MacBook pros and Mac Pro usage is meant to make fcpx video clips, photo editing and music or iOS apps. In that regards they don't ever need to update their machines again.

Honestly though I think the article that cult of Mac quoted about how the co-operation between design and Mac team in apple is broken , and the Mac team has lost focus and people on the team, this is the right assumption to what's going on lately. Something tells of bad leadership in apple lately. And it seems Phil Schiller and tim cook is just making excuses to the media but I suspect something much worse is going on behind the scene.
 
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Apples inability or stubbornness not to tell us if or when a new mac pro will be released plays havoc with business - how are you supposed to plan strategic investments? - how are you supposed to be innovative and cutting edge when you are using 3 year old units - clients are already grumbling about the speed of processing especially as they are charged by the hour - for Apple to hold up business development by not informing us is criminal and a disgrace.
 
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A bit about of a background story about Intel, and what is going on in management:

  1. They have internal sources at Intel and the climate there is currently awful apparently, employees are very discouraged and some feel like "they have nothing left to lose". They are making big profits now by totally screwing up the future. According to the magazine, Intel is "probably in the most delicate situation it has had to face to this day". The CEO is reducing cost so much that he's managing engineers like "supermarket cashiers", he doesn't care about taking the time to train them.

  2. Krzanich is very impatient and eager and keeps changing his mind about projects. If a new architecture isn't created in like a couple weeks, he gives up and cancels the project... he keeps sending contradictory instructions to the teams.

  3. "Fab Hell": Intel is likely going to have a 6 month delay on 10nm. Worse, even Cannon Lake is not expected to feature any significant architectural improvement. Basically Intel was just hoping AMD would keep not competing with them.

  4. Krzanich is apparently a disaster, and he won't be able to stay CEO for long. Apparently some people have heard him yelling from the next building when he was angry. But he seems unaware of him being perceived so negatively. Employees at Intel hope Murthy Renduchintala will replace him ASAP, and he seems much more capable and is slowly refocusing Intel in the right path, but basically R&D is ****ed atm and there will be a huge empty space until about 2019. Apparently, Krzanich completely underestimated the possibility of an AMD comeback.

  5. (I didn't really understand that point I'm not expert enough) but apparently x86 is going to disappear sooner than expected, it'll be replaced by ARM and Intel is panicking about that.

  6. Intel is currently working on a "multichip package" (MCM) integrating an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU. So this is confirmed guys.

  7. In the picture before the last picture I posted, it is said that Kaby Lake has exactly the same IPC as Skylake. No improvement as to perf/watt but there seems to be more room for overclocking.
Everything is in the french magazine, that leaked Zen benchmarks, based on A0 Engineering Sample.
Look at nr. 6. Bits And Chips Twitter profile few weeks ago asked a question: "What do you think about AMD Navi manufactured in Intel fabs?"

So. What do you guys think of possibility of Apple switching from Intel to AMD?
 
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koyoot said:
A bit about of a background story about Intel, and what is going on in management:

  1. They have internal sources at Intel and the climate there is currently awful apparently, employees are very discouraged and some feel like "they have nothing left to lose". They are making big profits now by totally screwing up the future. According to the magazine, Intel is "probably in the most delicate situation it has had to face to this day". The CEO is reducing cost so much that he's managing engineers like "supermarket cashiers", he doesn't care about taking the time to train them.

  2. Krzanich is very impatient and eager and keeps changing his mind about projects. If a new architecture isn't created in like a couple weeks, he gives up and cancels the project... he keeps sending contradictory instructions to the teams.

  3. "Fab Hell": Intel is likely going to have a 6 month delay on 10nm. Worse, even Cannon Lake is not expected to feature any significant architectural improvement. Basically Intel was just hoping AMD would keep not competing with them.

  4. Krzanich is apparently a disaster, and he won't be able to stay CEO for long. Apparently some people have heard him yelling from the next building when he was angry. But he seems unaware of him being perceived so negatively. Employees at Intel hope Murthy Renduchintala will replace him ASAP, and he seems much more capable and is slowly refocusing Intel in the right path, but basically R&D is ****ed atm and there will be a huge empty space until about 2019. Apparently, Krzanich completely underestimated the possibility of an AMD comeback.

  5. (I didn't really understand that point I'm not expert enough) but apparently x86 is going to disappear sooner than expected, it'll be replaced by ARM and Intel is panicking about that.

  6. Intel is currently working on a "multichip package" (MCM) integrating an Intel CPU and an AMD GPU. So this is confirmed guys.

  7. In the picture before the last picture I posted, it is said that Kaby Lake has exactly the same IPC as Skylake. No improvement as to perf/watt but there seems to be more room for overclocking.
Everything is in the french magazine, that leaked Zen benchmarks, based on A0 Engineering Sample.
Look at nr. 6. Bits And Chips Twitter profile few weeks ago asked a question: "What do you think about AMD Navi manufactured in Intel fabs?"

So. What do you guys think of possibility of Apple switching from Intel to AMD?
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Links?
 
Its paper magazine. Here is a recap: https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/5k31sr/i_bought_canard_pc_there_you_go/

Also about Cannon Lake, maybe it will not bring anything new to the table in architecture, however it will(thanks to Zen threat) bring 4C/6C/8C configurations of CPUs to the mainstream. So it will actually be something new.

If you are asking about the link on topic of Apple switching from Intel to AMD, its just my question, to people in this thread. Bits and Chips already are hinting that Apple will switch from Intel to AMD APUs in MBP and in MB.
 
koyoot said:
What do you guys think of possibility of Apple switching from Intel to AMD?
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For the Mac Pro (what this thread is about) the probability is zero. Xeon is the furthest away from any possibility of AMD competition.

For lower-end Macs, esp. the laptops, it is more a possibility -- if AMD can deliver both the parts and supporting chipsets and the CPUs have (a) sufficient performance, (b) sufficient power efficiency, (c) sufficient production volume, and (d) AMD can establish sufficient confidence in their ability to deliver all that on schedule.

To my knowledge there has never been any credible published benchmark on Zen that is representative of a production item. Talk of less-expensive 8-core CPUs sounds good, but if they can't deliver on schedule and in quantity or if the performance is not competitive with a 4.2Ghz i7-7700K, then it certainly won't be used in a top-spec iMac.

AMD CPUs also don't have Quick Sync so for video applications it would be hugely disadvantaged vs Intel. They will supposedly have AMD's VCE 3.x, which is roughly similar but video software would have to be re-written to use that.
 
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Would AMD's Naples be compatible with Mac Pro?
AMD CEO predicted a H1 2017 introduction of their Zen based server processor(s).
AMD's roadmap seems to look a lot more compelling than Intel's if you read the Canard PC article summary and threads.
Guess we might find a hint from what a new iMac contains in a few months?
 
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Its paper magazine. Here is a recap: https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD_Stock/comments/5k31sr/i_bought_canard_pc_there_you_go/

Also about Cannon Lake, maybe it will not bring anything new to the table in architecture, however it will(thanks to Zen threat) bring 4C/6C/8C configurations of CPUs to the mainstream. So it will actually be something new.

If you are asking about the link on topic of Apple switching from Intel to AMD, its just my question, to people in this thread. Bits and Chips already are hinting that Apple will switch from Intel to AMD APUs in MBP and in MB.
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Intel is overwhelmed on business they'rent attained (as the NUC nano-PC, and its failed cellular SOC -which subsidized phone makers just to deliver crap phones as Asus Zenfones-) this is so evident, but has nothing to do with their Chip business, are sidebusines not performing as good as should and draining resources.

X86 to disappear, or going after ARM? I think it was a possibility until it recent architecture changes planned for 2019 (just when is expected first ARM chips will reach current X86 IPC non-SIMD performance), further they where smart enough to buy Altera (FPGA will be a key component for future computers), at this point what I see is AMD migrating to ARM after ZEN decline in 2019.

Apple to Adopt ARM? not now, at leas with mainstream Mac, maybe an cheap macbook targeted at educational market its an possibility, in two years maybe they start to switch to ARM or switchback to Power8/9 (much better than ARM for desktop/server performance apps) also I see Apple purchasing some FPGA as Xilinx (as sure will try Google), even dont discard Apple purchasing IBM's computer manufacturing division (or viceversa, IBM purchasing Mac division).

The next 20 year IT will align along AI applications and PC capable to play there, will Apple miss? On Cook control is very likely, I lost faith on Tim Cook this year from the day he openly adversed Trump using Apple corporate resources (I also adversed Trump but corporations should stay away politics, since Apple users voted both for Trump and Clinton).

I though next 6 months will say a lot of Apple future as rentable business.
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G-News said:
The new iMac is going to be Kaby Lake and Radeon 460-480 at best. Don't expect anything majorly new there. Apart from USB-C only maybe.
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I bet the new iMac will go only upto Radeon 470, as the nnMP sure will start with Firepro WX6100 WX7100 and likely Vega10 MI25?
 
I don't think that is possible to produce just a macbook with an ARM cpu.
They will have problems with the software, what kind of software will this be running?
via an emulator? MacBooks are already weak, using an emulator to run applications won't be even worst? I really wonder about it...

The most sensible would be to switch all of their lines at the same time, a new start like 2006.

Anyway my preference is to stay as it is, too much inconvenience and frustration for people, users and developers, would be another switch...
 
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