Well considering Mac had it's best quarter ever in revenue, I am guessing they can afford it. 
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Emoji nation!Well considering Mac had it's best quarter ever in revenue, I am guessing they can afford it.
That emperor's clothes are visible
D300 GPU is garbage.
D500 is a big step up; however,
If buying a nMP, only get one w/ D700 GPUs.
Also, get the 1TB SSD.
Best off, bang for buck + resale value:
buy new + Apple Care from Apple directly.
In terms of CPU and RAM, get the minimum from Apple.
Before taxes, I paid about $4,329.00
4-core
1TB
D700
16GB (should've saved $100 by selecting the 12GB option)
I then spent $1050 to upgrade (ACMT tech) from 4-core + 12GB RAM to 12-core 2.7GHz + 32GB RAM.
An additional $250 for 64GB RAM is an option instead of 32GB upgrade I did.
One can spend another $500 twice to add up to two(2) additional eGPUs.
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I think, and the latest numbers support this, that Apple is moving away from being a hardware company to becoming a service company eventually. So licensing macOS for third party manufacturers becomes an option again. Back in the clone years of the mid to late 90's, Apple was earning money on software and hardware only. Clones were definitely not helping their bottomline then. That doesn't mean they can never revisit the idea of licensing.
Comments like this surprise me. Unless you need a huge amount of horsepower, then hardware is just one part of the equation. Don't get me wrong, I'm just as cross as everyone else on here at Apple's silence and lack of Mac Pro updates, however, personally it'll be a cold day in Hell when I stop using macOS and have to look at Windows all day. I use it in Parallels for the odd thing and yes, it's functional and it does the job but even Windows 10 comes with a huge amount of baggage (and clutter).
If that's not important to you, then fair enough and I sincerely wish you the very best of luck with your switch. Not something I'll ever be considering.
I'm not switching away, I'm merely keeping my 2014 MBP to keep doing my daily stuff, the odd video cut and the Aperture photo editing, whilst I still can. Gaming and heavy transcoding will be happening on the Omen now. Once Apple kills Aperture for good, I'll be switching to Lightroom, on the PC.
Win10 isn't half as bad as most mac users make it sound like. As long as it's not riddled with bloatware, it's a fast and stable OS. Plus I'm positively surprised how silent the Omen is even under load. It's air cooled but even under heavy load remains much quieter than an MBP or even an iMac. Roomy chassis have their advantages, even in this comparatively small mini tower form factor.
Win10 isn't half as bad as most mac users make it sound like. As long as it's not riddled with bloatware, it's a fast and stable OS. Plus I'm positively surprised how silent the Omen is even under load. It's air cooled but even under heavy load remains much quieter than an MBP or even an iMac. Roomy chassis have their advantages, even in this comparatively small mini tower form factor.
Thinking along these lines myself: Mac laptop or cheap iMac for lighter & routine stuff and a Linux workstation for computations & data work. Each with its own monitor next to the other and linked with Synergy to allow using the same keyboard & mouse for both.
Thank you for you reply. Indeed, my idea is to have a powerful computer to compose music for film, video games and also for my personal projects. However I am not in the industry yet so I am kind of starting. I think I will go for the 8 core but haven´t taken the decision yet cause don´t have much information regarding the company called "Create.Pro" selling these "refurbished" second hand Mac Pro. Thanks again.
If you change your job and it requires Windows you’ll switch. If something important to you requires Windows you’ll switch. People are fickle and move goalposts all the time, I do and suspect you are no different.
Also can you be specific about the baggage and clutter, (pls do not refer to any ‘spyware’ that can easily be switched off in settings).
When and if it suits you, you’ll switch, what a silly comment.
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I said this same thing 12 months ago and I've been an Apple fan for a long time. Now I'm running Windows 10 on a PC. It's sooooo much faster than my 5,1 and honestly, it's refreshing to be in control of upgrades and hardware. There are things I miss about OSX, but I don't miss them enough to stay with Apple. I'll probably keep the 5,1 around for photos and iLife stuff until it dies and then be done with Apple for good.
Thanks for the advice Daniel. Will have it in mind! Might wait until Apple's March event although I believe there will be no Mac desktop update.
I think there are probably quite a few switchers who have been surprised by Windows 10. If you can give it time and get past your Apple preference built up over the years, you will probably be content. Windows isn't as pretty as OSX, but it is just as functional and that's what matters in the end. If only Apple could get forget form over function, they would still be in the lead but that possibility is becoming more and more remote...
The thing is, there are lots and lots of things that need more horsepower than what Apple can deliver. I didn't move to OSX because of P.T. Barnum's reality distortion field - I moved because OSX was better than XP, and my workflow at the time (OS/2 driven) had died on the vine.
It is looking like Win10 will be better than macOS. Certainly, I'll be able to do more, and as an added bonus, it will cost me less.
For maximizing nMP GPU performance, isn't it a viable option to get a Thunderbolt 2 PCI enclosure and put a RX480 in it? Compared to what Apple charges for the D700 BTO upgrade it is considerable, of course you lose the "sleek form factor" though.
NO, the D700 BTO upgrade cost is a no-brainer.
Not getting the D700 option is a mistake - especially in terms of resale value.
Get Both! In actual shared GPU compute use, a single D700 performs more work then RX480 eGPU.
For now, best performance from nMP is having dual D700s w/ dual Fury X eGPUs (192 CUs + 20GB VRAM).
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Seems pretty ordinary to me. That's a 3% gain over 1Q 2016.... that's great and all, but a "home run", meh.
The sold the same amount of Macs, despite huge pent up demand on the release of the new MBP, iPad sales dropped, and phones leaped about 5%. I guess that's great regarding the phones, but this company is turning into a one trick pony. What happens when the smart phone market actually gets some decent competition?
If you account for the fact that this quarter was a week longer than usual, weekly sales of iPhones were actually down. Mac was basically flat and only services were increasing. iPads were down a lot.
How many of us think that there might be a good chance that Apple switches to Naples server architecture with Vega? Some engineering samples are already being distributed and it could ease the job for Apple engineers to integrate the new AMD GPUs. It could be a way to build a brand new Mac Pro while keeping costs down since I guess AMD will be aggressive on the pricing to penetrate Intel's strongest market.
Maybe for the MP8,1. Or an MP7,1 in 2019. (Hey koyoot - that was sarcasm!
)Seriously, there are too many unknowns about whether Vega is going to be successful, and whether Zen products will live up to the hype, for Apple to jump to an untested architecture that might not support T-Bolt.
Just look at the huge problem with the ATI GPUs in the MP6,1 - three years on and a large number of systems have GPU problems.
If Apple's making an MP7,1 - it is already running in their engineering labs with advance engineering samples of the next Xeons (or maybe the last generation of Xeons, and underclocked Polaris?).
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I understand. However, Apple has already relied on AMD even when NVidia was blatantly offering better hw.
I think Polaris will be adopted in iMacs and maybe the nMP base configuration (rebranded), but I am sure Vega will be the protagonist. TDP for Naples seem also quite low and it is said to be competing with E5 and E7.
Timing is almost the same as Skylake E5s anyway, I reckon a sneak peek at the WWDC and an October release...
I think Polaris will be adopted in iMacs and maybe the nMP base configuration (rebranded), but I am sure Vega will be the protagonist. TDP for Naples seem also quite low and it is said to be competing with E5 and E7.
Timing is almost the same as Skylake E5s anyway, I reckon a sneak peek at the WWDC and an October release...
More info on Intel Kaby Lake Xeons leaked:
http://segmentnext.com/2017/01/25/intel-kaby-lake-e3-1200-v6-xeon-cpu/
No 6 cores, but those TDPs look sweet.
http://segmentnext.com/2017/01/25/intel-kaby-lake-e3-1200-v6-xeon-cpu/
No 6 cores, but those TDPs look sweet.
TB, those are E3-1200, not nMP material.
Maybe if Apple will do an iMac Pro that is not a replacement of nMP those will find a home there for the ECC.
Doubt it though.
[doublepost=1486150989][/doublepost]LG will improve shielding:
http://wccftech.com/lg-ultrafine-5k-new-units-issues-resolved/
[doublepost=1486152907][/doublepost]Maybe the entry level card in the nnMP'
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-pro-wx-7100,4896.html
Probably cut down to 2048 cores and downclocked or something, and 4GB. Or not, since power draw is almost within the envelope.
Maybe if Apple will do an iMac Pro that is not a replacement of nMP those will find a home there for the ECC.
Doubt it though.
[doublepost=1486150989][/doublepost]LG will improve shielding:
http://wccftech.com/lg-ultrafine-5k-new-units-issues-resolved/
[doublepost=1486152907][/doublepost]Maybe the entry level card in the nnMP'
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-pro-wx-7100,4896.html
Probably cut down to 2048 cores and downclocked or something, and 4GB. Or not, since power draw is almost within the envelope.
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