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Aldaris said:
As far as the thunderbolt 3 LG display. Not that I am a fan of it, but were all in the boat for third party displays at the moment, which means we aren't restricted to Thunderbolt or other proprietary connections. Running off an external GPU really seems to be the solution-and from the video and a few weeks ago 9to5mac did a similar video with a different external box (granted if I remember right they ran it through TB3). But this opens to using standard connections without adapters.



Thanks!

Really sounds like the route to go. (I personally am holding my breath till NAB/WWDC, but if nothing by then I think this is the route I'll take).
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I'll agree with @pat500000, wrong thread. And also call it out as fake. If there is indeed an upcoming Apple Event, which would be expected in the spring, it would really break with tradition to have anything to do with iPhones which were a summer release at the beginning and have since become a fall release. I can't imagine the PR/marketing for a 6-month window from the iPhone 7 to the 10th anniversary phone (iPhone 8 or whatever).

Seems like more of a stunt to drum up traction and attention if you ask me. I believe the future is Nikolai Tesla-esque wireless charging, but will take more time to get people used to it. If Apple was really looking at making something game changing would be a combination wireless networking/charging mesh, but that would The be years out. Apple would likely start out small rolling out solutions for watches and iPhones, but again that is where the "puck" will be. And the current captain of the ship is probably going to be pulling out spring watch band colors out of his "pipeline" as opposed to anything close as innovative as what I described above, which would also be great if it had LiFi involved too.
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About the egpu....since nmp is about external stuff, it would make sense to use egpu. I know we want internal upgrability, but this would be alternative option if one needs to "update" their mac. Because nobody knows if it's going to come out, 3-4 years tech might not be so bad (as long as the person is willing to upgrade the gpu and processor.).....but then the price gets in the way.
 
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koyoot said:
If anyone would want to share how to run CUDA code on AMD GPUs, he would be immediately sued by Nvidia, and that is presumably why Otoy has resigned from trying to run CUDA code on AMD GPUs, or even sharing it.
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I think you have a better understanding of it than I do. Otoy does make a lot of dramatic announcements that get mac users hopes up just so they can let them down again.

It would be a shame if open cl truly is dead. If AMD can bring something similar to the table, I feel like they are back at the starting line again while nvidia has been running the race for some time. Nvidia has such a lead in rendering engines it is nuts.

I'm so disappointed that Apple has tied their machines to AMD.
 
If eGPU is the way forward, Apple better get on board themselves, meaning we'd need an affordable external chassis and proper eGPU support in OS X, coming directly from Apple. And then we'd need nVidia drivers for Pascal.

In a way this is how I imagined apple's vision of the Mac Pro when they announced it back in 2013: move all the peripherals on an umbilical cord like TB3 (TB2) and then only replace bits in that "network of devices" as they become obsolete. It's basically a a tower design minus the case, everything just loosely connected. Has a few advantages and disadvantages, but is feasible.
Of course not doing anything to the core of such a design for four years whilst the GPUs are still in the core at this stage totally kills the idea.
 
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Aldaris said:
If there is indeed an upcoming Apple Event, which would be expected in the spring, it would really break with tradition to have anything to do with iPhones which were a summer release at the beginning and have since become a fall release. I can't imagine the PR/marketing for a 6-month window from the iPhone 7 to the 10th anniversary phone (iPhone 8 or whatever).
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Only few iPhone-holics see an iPhone event in this invite, what I se is the Q1 event where is expected Apple to release iPad/iMac/TL/'Alexa' and mayyyybeee a Mac Pro...

'Alexa' may fit with this 'wireless' concept (no where it depicts explicitly a wireless charging)
 
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I'd say we're a long ways from eGPU becoming standardized. But it does open a whole new world of opportunities for game developers, 3D artists, video editors and mobile gamers.
 
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G-News said:
only replace bits in that "network of devices" as they become obsolete.
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In what universe is the Apple of today going to give up the ability to sell you a whole new computer (and display) when the GPU, or any other major component is no longer top of the line, so that you can buy parts piecemeal from companies that aren't Apple?

eGPU works for now with hackery, I wouldn't put money on that capability remaining.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I think you have a better understanding of it than I do. Otoy does make a lot of dramatic announcements that get mac users hopes up just so they can let them down again.

It would be a shame if open cl truly is dead. If AMD can bring something similar to the table, I feel like they are back at the starting line again while nvidia has been running the race for some time. Nvidia has such a lead in rendering engines it is nuts.

I'm so disappointed that Apple has tied their machines to AMD.
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The only reason why Nvidia is so much better in compute capabilities is... software. Like I mentioned earlier, CUDA gives zero-to-none abstraction from hardware. Every application runs as close to metal, as possible, with CUDA. The benefit is enormously increased software performance.

When you will compare similarly performing GPUs from both sides, AMD and Nvidia(for example R9 390X, and GTX 980 Ti), for example in OpenCL, that gives equally big abstraction on software, they perform equally with AMD being(slightly) faster because of bigger compute capabilities of the GPUs.

Yes, you can optimize the software, to get as close to metal as possible with OpenCL. But it costs time, and money. And nobody wants to invest it when you have CUDA, you just offload code to application, and you have saved tons of time and money, on optimization. All you do right now is buy Nvidia GPUs.

AMD dropping OpenCL must have a very good reason to do so. ProRender is not the only-solution-for-every-situation, from AMD, like CUDA is. OpenCL was that kind of thing, for AMD. ProRender is just a Render plug-in.

So they must have something better.

Apple dropped Nvidia for number of reasons. Metal is Apple's CUDA like solution and works as close to metal as possible, just like CUDA. If you do not have OpenCL on Apple platform, if you do not have CUDA on your platform, where else you will go, if you want API for your software? Yep, exactly, you will have to port your software to Metal. And it performs much better on AMD hardware. Two key reasons. AMD hardware has higher compute capabilities, two, Nvidia drivers for Metal, are simply bad.
 
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Aldaris said:
Seems like more of a stunt to drum up traction and attention if you ask me.
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Yeah. We all know the excitement they generated post that "Hello again " event
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koyoot said:
If you do not have OpenCL on Apple platform, if you do not have CUDA on your platform, where else you will go, if you want API for your software? Yep, exactly, you will have to port your software to Metal.
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With the likes of theFoundry, Adobe, Autodesk announcing support for metal, we may see improved performance from Apple's AMD offering on these apps. Autodesk recently purchased Renderman rival Arnold, a world class renderer and the Arnold team is working on a GPU version. With many top VFX houses and wide support for other CG apps, you can bet Arnold providing GPU support will be something. Unclear what the likes of redshift or Octane may do, but with Arnold and( hopefully) Vray supporting AMD GPUs, rendering may not be an issue on the mac platform. But it can't come soon enough.
 
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@singhs.apps I'm not convinced this "wireless" leak is anywhere near legit. I think the attention is for the accessory maker that posted it, opposed to Apple drumming up hype for them.

The "hello again" was a slap in the face in my opinion. I've been an avid fan watching these events for the last decade or more, now, really better off to watch the 10 second highlights from macrumors and 9to5mac. It was really what current Apple is good at drumup hype, that can't even life up to the worst case scenario. "Hello again" should have been "hello dongles".
 
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Aldaris said:
I'm not convinced this "wireless" leak is anywhere near legit.
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Yeah. The design seems very un apple.
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Aldaris said:
The "hello again" was a slap in the face in my opinion
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I was clutching my groin
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Aldaris said:
"Hello again" should have been "hello dongles".
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With respect to my response to the event :D Hello dangles more like
 
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If we do get a spotlight on something wireless, it would be the wireless charging ability of iDevices. With the iPhone 8 being months away and the Watch just got 2nd gen recently, it has to be for iPads, and perhaps the rumored iMac with charging stand as well. Another very remote chance is the roll out of wireless smart home solution with numerous product pieces.

So regardless, it has absolutely nothing to do with Mac Pro, except of course if they do end up dubbing that beefed iMac the "iMac Pro".
 
ventricle said:
That would be unfortunate because a ‘pro’ needs a cooling margin that I doubt an iMac form factor could deliver.
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At this point it will actually surprise me if Apple doesn't leverage more from its legacy or just twist words for headlines. "Hello Again", "amazing pipeline", "committed to desktop", Mac "Pro" without PCI slots, MacBook "Pro" with only two ports. If they see fit in the next iMac iteration that enough professional work can be done on it, no matter how narrow the definition of "pro" here is, they won't hesitate sticking the "Pro" moniker in our faces.
 
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Meanwhile the most advanced and powerful desktop GPU has just been released, but not for a Mac.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11102/nvidia-announces-quadro-gp100

6X powerful than a D700 on miserly 235W TDP.

A single Quadro GP100 + 160W 22Core Xeon or 16 core WS Xeon = 395W also leaves 45W TDP headroom and 20 PCIe3 lines for 2 NVME 3 TB3 and a 10GBlan w/o need to increase the MacPro TDP or add PCIe muxers...

Cmon Apple Make Us Happy...
 
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Mago said:
Meanwhile the most advanced and powerful desktop GPU has just been released, but not for a Mac.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11102/nvidia-announces-quadro-gp100

6X powerful than a D700 on miserly 235W TDP.

A single Quadro GP100 + 160W 22Core Xeon or 16 core WS Xeon = 395W also leaves 45W TDP headroom and 20 PCIe3 lines for 2 NVME 3 TB3 and a 10GBlan w/o need to increase the MacPro TDP or add PCIe muxers...

Cmon Apple Make Us Happy...
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That looks beautiful
 
Mago said:
Meanwhile the most advanced and powerful desktop GPU has just been released, but not for a Mac.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11102/nvidia-announces-quadro-gp100

6X powerful than a D700 on miserly 235W TDP.

A single Quadro GP100 + 160W 22Core Xeon or 16 core WS Xeon = 395W also leaves 45W TDP headroom and 20 PCIe3 lines for 2 NVME 3 TB3 and a 10GBlan w/o need to increase the MacPro TDP or add PCIe muxers...

Cmon Apple Make Us Happy...
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Looks good to me. I hope we see the mac pro with 1 beefy GPU instead of 2 small ones. That solves the bandwidth problem when you add lots of thunderbolt 3 controllers and SSDs. It also better addresses the needs of those who want better rendering performance.

My hope is that with the coming shared platform between Skylake-X/Skylake-W/Kaby-Lake-X we can see a true headless consumer desktop that leverages Intel's enthusiast platform and offers everything from the fastest single core performance available via 4 core Kaby Lake-X with no ECC memory to a 20+ core Skylake-W w/ECC. It could even be like the 13" MacBook pro that ditches a thunderbolt controller or two to make the entry level more affordable.
 
koyoot said:
https://twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/828035457502048256

This is the tweet that started this rumor mill :).

The situation behind the scenes at Intel is hilarious.
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https://twitter.com/CPCHardware/status/828640373949997057
  • On trouve d’abord le Core i7 7740K. Il dispose de 8 Mo de L3, d’une fréquence de base de 4.30 GHz (soit 100 MHz de plus que le Core i7 7700K) au prix d’un TDP nettement supérieur (> 100W contre 91W). La fréquence Turbo n’est pas connue, mais devrait logiquement être de 4.60 GHz.
  • L’un des autres sample prend le nom de Core i5 7640K. À première vue, il s’agit là aussi d’un speed bump du Core i5 7600K : Quad Core, 6 Mo de L3, 4.0 GHz de fréquence de base pour le 7640K contre 3.8 GHz pour le 7600K. Côté TDP, lui aussi grimperait au-dessus des 100W. Mais il y a beaucoup plus intéressant : le Core i5 7640K disposerait du SMT (Hyper-threading) actif, une première pour un Core i5 Desktop. Cette modification bouscule profondément la segmentation des différents « Core ». Jusqu’à présent, les Core i5 se distinguaient justement des Core i7 par l’absence de l’Hyper-threading.
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So I guess i7s will now be distinguished from i5s by their larger L2 caches.

Though it could be the i5-7640K is a way to resell i7s that have some L2 cache errors or can't clock as high as they should.
 
Stacc said:
Looks good to me. I hope we see the mac pro with 1 beefy GPU instead of 2 small ones. That solves the bandwidth problem when you add lots of thunderbolt 3 controllers and SSDs. It also better addresses the needs of those who want better rendering performance.

My hope is that with the coming shared platform between Skylake-X/Skylake-W/Kaby-Lake-X we can see a true headless consumer desktop that leverages Intel's enthusiast platform and offers everything from the fastest single core performance available via 4 core Kaby Lake-X with no ECC memory to a 20+ core Skylake-W w/ECC. It could even be like the 13" MacBook pro that ditches a thunderbolt controller or two to make the entry level more affordable.
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Kaby Lake-X only has 16 pci-e so it will not work
 
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