Xeon gold 18 cores, why wouldnt apple throw in a full fat 32 cores( or whatever skylake can go up to in its ep variant)
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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That is one of my issues as I use logic, and am unwilling to have two PCs sitting on my desk, one for music and the other for everything else - its just insane how apple refuses to put out a real desktop (started another thread on this).
Yeah That's why I have z series and Mac Pro at the moment. I have two separate desk for them. It's a pity.
Not trying to convert you at all. I'm os agnostic myself as i use OSX, windows, linux and even Amiga OS on a regular basis. Hell, I even have my own hobby OS that I made just for fun, it doesn't do much but it does boot in QEmu
The collaboration between MS and Canonical does leave me a bit perplexed though. I'm starting to wonder if the next versions of windows won't integrate more and more features from linux or the other way around since powershell, visual studio and part of .net are now available on linux.
Everyone at Apple should be fired. They've bungled pretty much everything for the last 5 years.
There are alternatives for both of this programs, under windows and Linux.
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Xcode is the only one without alternative, this is true. So if you programming for iOS you have no alternative. I was referring to artists and video professionals. I was FORCED to leave Apple. And from the looks of it i did the right move. Two years later, and still no power/pro workstation.
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@pcd109 we are all pretty much at that same point. Some have a smidgen of hope for something even a tease in the window between NAB and WWDC. If neither of them offer anything in the workstation arena I know I'm headed for an HPZ. I'm fine working with what I have now, but am really looking for a workstation class machine within the next year. I'll still keep what I have but as far as the halo-effect and Apple ecosystem I won't be anywhere near as invested as I am now.
For Avid you get both formats (Mac & PC) when you purchase. This is an easy call because when you are in the app (Mac or PC) there are only minor differences.
The other app I use that is "Mac OS" specific is Shake. A windows equivalent (probably better) is Nuke. But the change financially would be as such, Nuke $4,900 & their plugin pkg Furnace $4,325 equals $9,225! This does not include the vast plugin/Macro collection/pkgs that I have acquired over the years. To replicated them for Nuke would probably add another $5,000. So I would be looking at around $15,000 just for the Shake/plug transfer. This is just one segment of the Video side and does not include the Music side of sound libraries ect!
Even the thought of a transfer is like
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AutoCAD, although natively on both platforms has its limitations in workflows, even the most recent version for Mac is too windowsy for me and I have had to adjust my workflow-for critical work I still go to the older 2016 version, where I am able to adjust and customize my workspace more. Even if applications are available on both or more platforms it still has its curve balls. They all have to conform to the UI standards placed by the OS manufacturers.
It's not ideal but it is something to really consider, especially when you are looking into another 3k, 5k, 10k worth of software changes like @OS6-OSX stated. There are more and more companies going to subscription based models (autodesk and adobe are great examples) but some people like having the license outright.
If Apple just confirmed one way or the other many of us here could take that and make our decisions knowing that course will probably be for the next 5-10 years out. In the instance that Apple abandoned the Pro, it wouldn't be hard to swallow a hefty software change knowing that that was really the only logical option. Sitting in technical purgatory is what's killing us. Who would want to toss out 3k-10+k worth of software just to have Apple come out with a real beast in a few months... the agony!
Not all of us are in the corporate/studio world, and are fairly small and independent, where spending that kind of money on other comparable software or a maxed out mythical Mac Pro, would really prefer the maxed Pro... again the agony!!!
This is why I feel Apple are at a make or break point with their pro desktop hardware. They're either going to just bail out or commit to it properly, complete with a roadmap and commitments on the products they're releasing. I just don't know how any pro and enterprise customers can seriously consider buying their hardware when they have absolutely no idea when (or if!!) new models will ever see the light of day.
I'm sorry to say it as I know a lot of people don't accept Apple can make any mistakes, but the arrogance of them is astounding.
I'm sorry to say it as I know a lot of people don't accept Apple can make any mistakes, but the arrogance of them is astounding.
Another Intel mess with the naming schemes.
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8000-series-8th-gen-processors/
Or they sped up CFL cause of Ryzen.
All this info on desktop parts and none on workstation/server SKUs coming up.
For the nMP we need to know about the -W parts. They should be out by mid-year but little info is out yet.
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8000-series-8th-gen-processors/
Or they sped up CFL cause of Ryzen.
All this info on desktop parts and none on workstation/server SKUs coming up.
For the nMP we need to know about the -W parts. They should be out by mid-year but little info is out yet.
I certainly find the panic / kneejerk reaction to the rumoured quality of the AMD products interesting, and precisely reminds those who don't seem to think about such things why competition is good. Intel have been able to throttle back for a few years now, because AMD simply have not been competetive. As soon as they have decent products in the pipeline, Intel have been shaken into life.
The consumer ultimately wins.
The consumer ultimately wins.
Unrelated to the thread, but pat what psu connections does your z840 have? Gonna probably upgrade from my z420 to the z840 pretty soon
enterprise needs a server system or at the very least the rights to run mac os in a VM on any base hardware. If just to have a management server for desktops.
As for pro desktops apple is missing the mark big time. Things like easy to swap storage / multi disk are needed and soldered storage is a no go if just for risks of data leaks. HP, DELL and others let enterprise customers DESTROY hdd's that fail under warranty.
Before even considering buying, enterprises want big software vendors to certify products for the hardware. And have it certified for several last releases, so most obvious kinks would get ironed out.
For Apple to get any noticeable market share in very competitive enterprise market would take years and tons of monies. So it's not going to happen probably.
P.S. I can easily imagine Oracle or MSFT telling Apple to go fork themselves if they'd approach using usual tactics.
So IBM servers and workstations are certified for iOS? Because that's what really "Enterprise" is about, not trinkets and fancy PR texts.
CEO looking at some fancy KPI app on his iPad is not "Enterprise", what feeds data to that app is (and it's not Apple).
P.S. Belkin is a big player in mobile phone production business, because they make cables for phones, right?
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For Avid you get both formats (Mac & PC) when you purchase. This is an easy call because when you are in the app (Mac or PC) there are only minor differences.
The other app I use that is "Mac OS" specific is Shake. A windows equivalent (probably better) is Nuke. But the change financially would be as such, Nuke $4,900 & their plugin pkg Furnace $4,325 equals $9,225! This does not include the vast plugin/Macro collection/pkgs that I have acquired over the years. To replicated them for Nuke would probably add another $5,000. So I would be looking at around $15,000 just for the Shake/plug transfer. This is just one segment of the Video side and does not include the Music side of sound libraries ect!
Even the thought of a transfer is like
Ok, i feel your pain. But! Wasn't Shake discontinued in 2008 or something? I think you can't even run it on "today" macs. As for Nuke you can buy it in 12 monthly payments and it starts from 3k to just over 5/6k(i'm not sure about the prices, but you can check them online). So you will pay something like 2-400$/month. Not bad if you ask me, and you can run it under mac/linux/windows.
And to reply to all others that quoted or commented me as well: i am in the same boat as you guys, but i understood that Apple is heading no where but out of pro market. Even if they came out with a proper macpro now, i would not return to them. Why? Simple, i don't trust them anymore. I just keep mac mini for old files transfer and access and that's it.
@pcd109
Perhaps there is something I don´t get but he stated quite clearly what he needs and what the price is. You even quoted his post.
So why ask him to visit the Nuke Website and state a made-up price for the base version. (Which is even higher)
And at least in El Capitan Shake still works, that´s what I tried, so you can run it on "today" mac. It´s more about the OS version than the actual mac.
The wallet must be wide open if 200-400$/month is "not bad". At least for me even that would be a lot of money coming from a paid one-time license...
Perhaps there is something I don´t get but he stated quite clearly what he needs and what the price is. You even quoted his post.
So why ask him to visit the Nuke Website and state a made-up price for the base version. (Which is even higher)
And at least in El Capitan Shake still works, that´s what I tried, so you can run it on "today" mac. It´s more about the OS version than the actual mac.
The wallet must be wide open if 200-400$/month is "not bad". At least for me even that would be a lot of money coming from a paid one-time license...
Shake runs fine on Mac OS X 10.11 and 10.12.
Apple broke some graphics function in Mac OS 10.10 which Shake needed. Consequently, Apple put Shake on the blacklist and OSX told the user that Shake does no longer work with Mac OS X 10.10. Even though Apple added the required function again in Mac OS 10.11 and macOS 10.12, they still keep Shake on the blacklist and thus inhibit the start of Shake.
However you can edit the Info.plist file of Shake like this:
- Make a duplicate of shake.
- Open the context menu (CTRL-click) over the copy of shake
- Select "show package contents"
- Go to the "Contents" folder and open Info.plist. Xcode has a plist editor, but any text editor will do fine.
- Edit the entry "com.apple.shake" and change it to something like "com.apple.shake4"
- Save the plist file.
Just because an app is EOL'd does not mean it is "useless". People that still use Shake probably never needed "support". The only support Apple would have given would have been a suggestion to switch to Motion.
There is a chance at some point in time that a 32bit app will not run on a specific machine. The objective is a good end product from the app. When someone sees it, the question of which computer Mac/PC never arises. Don't know if you use Nuke, Edius, Fusion or any compositor but here are all the plugs/Macros that would need to be replaced:There is no 'made up price'; the starting price is at 2300 pounds. I am just stating the obvious here: once the company EOL'ed and app sooner or later you will need to move. If you plan, you can divide the costs over a period of time.