Hey Apple, can I get a new Mac Pro 5,1 tower? Please??
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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According to tom's hardware review (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-pro-wx-7100,4896.html), the latest WX series radeon (polaris based) should fit in the supposed thermal envelope of the Mac Pro for individual cards:
D300 : 2GB DDR5 - 160 GB/s - 2 Tflops
D500 : 3GB DDR5 - 240 GB/s - 2.2 Tflops
D700 : 6GB DDR5 - 264 GB/s - 3.5Tflops
Polaris cards:
WX4100 : 4GB DDR5 - 96 GB/s - 2.4Tflops <50Watts
WX5100 : 8GB DDR5 - 160 GB/s - 3.9 Tflops < 75 Watts
WX7100 : 8GB DDR5 - 224 GB/s - 5.7 Tflops < 130 Watts
Even thought the memory bandwidth seems a bit low compared to the "current" nMP's cards, the Flops seems more interesting.
Vega should be more interesting given that it'll use HBM2 but these cards already look like decent replacements for the current D300/500/700.
The worrying part is that in some of the bench in the article there is not much differences between the W7100 and the new WX7100 (though in some test the WX is far ahead).
Anyway, it looks like this is a serious replacement candidate for the GPU. Now, has anyone heard anything about the skylake E5 lately? (Still hoping there will be a new mac pro)
D300 : 2GB DDR5 - 160 GB/s - 2 Tflops
D500 : 3GB DDR5 - 240 GB/s - 2.2 Tflops
D700 : 6GB DDR5 - 264 GB/s - 3.5Tflops
Polaris cards:
WX4100 : 4GB DDR5 - 96 GB/s - 2.4Tflops <50Watts
WX5100 : 8GB DDR5 - 160 GB/s - 3.9 Tflops < 75 Watts
WX7100 : 8GB DDR5 - 224 GB/s - 5.7 Tflops < 130 Watts
Even thought the memory bandwidth seems a bit low compared to the "current" nMP's cards, the Flops seems more interesting.
Vega should be more interesting given that it'll use HBM2 but these cards already look like decent replacements for the current D300/500/700.
The worrying part is that in some of the bench in the article there is not much differences between the W7100 and the new WX7100 (though in some test the WX is far ahead).
Anyway, it looks like this is a serious replacement candidate for the GPU. Now, has anyone heard anything about the skylake E5 lately? (Still hoping there will be a new mac pro)
At this point we can believe in only one thing. It will be completely new design. But don't expect it will be like old tower. Its not "Apple style". If they would want to update the Mac Pro, in current form factor, they would already have done it.
So both answers are "no". No, for current form factor. No, for 5.1 tower form factor or similar. We can expect something completely new.
I wonder if Apple will go full AMD in all its desktop computers, Ryzen + Polaris/Vega for iMac and Mac Mini and Naples + Polaris/Vega for Mac Pro. AMD:s lineup seems to be pretty promising for 2017 and at a lower price to Intels offerings (i think we all know how much Apple loves extreme margins) and Naples is rumored to have alot of pci lanes which would be pretty fitting for the Mac Pro if they only continue to offer single CPU configs.
I have been a Intel + Nvidia guy for almost a decade now but AMD seems to have made good progress the last couple of years so i would not mind seeing a Mac Pro with AMD only parts
I have been a Intel + Nvidia guy for almost a decade now but AMD seems to have made good progress the last couple of years so i would not mind seeing a Mac Pro with AMD only parts
Well, for sure it would be upgrade over current Mac Pro, and even Mac Mini parts. iMac, tho? IPC will be lower on Ryzen chips, but they can go with higher core counts, for similar or lower prices, compared to Intel.
Secondly, hardware is great, but do we have any reliable software on Mac OS? Yes, Metal is the API to go, and it works much better with AMD, and AMD also has Radeon ProRender plug-in for software, but... Nothing is in a state, where you could see benefit of coming to Apple ecosystem over, Windows. And under Windows biggest compute ecosystem is CUDA software/hardware.
And lastly, already are rumors(well, they were from November last year), that AMD already provided Apple with Eng Samples of Raven Ridge APUs for their computers. The traces of Raven Ridge were also spotted in previous version of Mac OS Beta. So somebody is doing something in this forefront, but what we will see in the end - only Apple knows.
Its interesting that AMD has been able to get a significant bump in efficiency out of Polaris 10. At this point though I bet Apple will wait for Vega. AMD has been positioning it as a computational beast, which is what Apple wants. If they wanted to use Polaris 10 they could have released the mac pro at any time over the past 9 months.
I'm not sure thats clear. It could very well be 1 CPU + 2 mid-sized CPUs. Perhaps they are just waiting on Skylake-W or AMD's Naples platform to give them the PCIe bandwidth they need for 2 GPUs, 3-4 TB3 controllers and an SSD.
I think only those will be available from polaris line, an Vega card its likely.
What I want its an single nVidia Pascal from gp102/gp100 16GB ECC ram + 128GB ecc ram ddr4 on system
From this page: http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-500-vega-10-vega-11-gpus/
"The event known as Capsaicin and Cream will be live streamed from GDC on 28th February and AMD will be showcasing new graphics and VR technologies that are propelling the games industry forward. Make sure that you don’t miss the event and do register over here for more details."
Here is the link in case the latter doesn't work.
https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/amd-capsaicin-cream-developer-sessions-tickets-31885769194
"The event known as Capsaicin and Cream will be live streamed from GDC on 28th February and AMD will be showcasing new graphics and VR technologies that are propelling the games industry forward. Make sure that you don’t miss the event and do register over here for more details."
Here is the link in case the latter doesn't work.
https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/amd-capsaicin-cream-developer-sessions-tickets-31885769194
The tough part is these are an improvement, but still not really competitive. When you have the Geforce 1080 sitting at 9 Tflops it's hard to see this stopping the bleed of users moving to Windows, especially when the point of the Mac Pro is GPU processing.
FWIW, iMac still seems to be depending on Vega. We'll find out soon, but I still don't think the March or "early 2017" date is at all accurate. I'd bet WWDC at the earliest, but probably even later. I noticed MacRumors seems to have backed off March in the buyers guide.
Still hoping for a Mac Pro update before that. But the desktops seem problematic in general.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=PowerMac-Intel-KBL
Comparison of performance of PowerMac G5, with modern Intel CPUs.
Comparison of performance of PowerMac G5, with modern Intel CPUs.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-ibridge-in-10-12-4-beta.2032719/#post-24308056
I think this post, and its context is important, and should be posted also here, in Mac Pro 7.1 Thread.
My conclusion, we better expect new form factor. Especially, when we consider, the rumors, that Apple was discussing production of it in... China.
I think this post, and its context is important, and should be posted also here, in Mac Pro 7.1 Thread.
My conclusion, we better expect new form factor. Especially, when we consider, the rumors, that Apple was discussing production of it in... China.
I don't see why. I wouldn't be on an external Touch Bar, and I don't think System Profiler implies that at all.
That wasn't the rumor at all. I think the rumor actually meant that they thought China could do a better job with the "can" design.
Mago, Itanium's last breath?
http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/42871-itanium-servers-sing-swan-song
Hope not.
http://fudzilla.com/news/processors/42871-itanium-servers-sing-swan-song
Hope not.
I think the modifications Intel planned for x86 breaking explicit legacy instruction support, Killed Titanium forever.
However Itanium was an strong concept which failed mostly due easier to sell x86-amd64 extensions and Intel's own arrogance.
While some Itanium design may be discretly recycled in the new x86 architecture....
This is the good scenario... Be happy if this is what it will happen.Maybe a sneak peek, with a promised availability in October, then delayed to December, with the first real shipment in January 2018?
ouch...
Not sure how it will play out in the real world but my;
RX470 : 4GB DDR5 - 211 GB/s - 4.9 Tflops < 120 Watts
Seems to post pretty good figures. Why do the new Polaris W range seem so lacklustre in comparison?
All I want is a powerful quiet-as-a-nMP with dual or triple Thunderbolt 2 and a Xeon so that I can run Pro Tools 12 sessions with plenty of plugins and minimal latency. I want to keep my 24/44.1 buffer down to 128 samples or fewer with the Apogee Duet OS/iOS. The 2012 2.6 i7 QC Mini does a great job, but some of those virtual instruments can put a huge strain on the CPU.
Should I just buy a nMP 3.7/32GB QC/ Dual D300's now? Or do I wait and hope? The nMBP kind of let the air out of my shorts. I'm not a gamer, I'm a composer. The machine's got to live in the control room, so shhh...
Advice?
Should I just buy a nMP 3.7/32GB QC/ Dual D300's now? Or do I wait and hope? The nMBP kind of let the air out of my shorts. I'm not a gamer, I'm a composer. The machine's got to live in the control room, so shhh...
Advice?
