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Aldaris, you are closer now to the idea, but very far from it, still ;).
Let me put all of this to one last post concluding this:

There is a very good reason why Apple developed Apple Pencil.
There is a very good reason why they advertise iPad as "next" computer.
There is a very good reason why there hasn't been any development "visible" about professional platform on Apple.
There is a very good reason why Mac Pro has this design.
There is a very good reason why Apple believes in External expansion, and wireless connection, even if they are killing the team that was working on wireless routers. Nike did similar thing with the team that was working on Nike Bands, before Apple Watch has been shown. And who is connecting both companies? Tim Cook.
 
koyoot said:
Aldaris, you are closer now to the idea, but very far from it, still ;).
Let me put all of this to one last post concluding this:

There is a very good reason why Apple developed Apple Pencil.
There is a very good reason why they advertise iPad as "next" computer.
There is a very good reason why there hasn't been any development "visible" about professional platform on Apple.
There is a very good reason why Mac Pro has this design.
There is a very good reason why Apple believes in External expansion, and wireless connection, even if they are killing the team that was working on wireless routers. Nike did similar thing with the team that was working on Nike Bands, before Apple Watch has been shown. And who is connecting both companies? Tim Cook.
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So they're gonna combine the tube and iPad into one device that you use a Pencil to navigate? Or, the iPad is a display for the new "Pro" machine and it all connects wirelessly? Or, all expansion will be wireless (not sure how the throughput will be on that one, let alone interference issues, but i digress...)

I can't think of one good reason why the nMP has a design that requires custom GPU's from a vendor that has been smashed by Nvidia on almost every benchmark for years. Nor can I think of one good reason why Apple would develop a machine that requires so much R&D and custom parts that users can't upgrade but a few select components, and the expandability is dependent on tech that is already out of date and slower than a standard PCI-e slot. "Future proof" the nMP is definitely NOT.

But yeah, if Tim C has a vision of the future for "Pro's" that requires something like you are describing, then the rest of us "Pro" users must be looking at retiring, because I can't use anything that he's selling.
 
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jeff7117 said:
Nor can I think of one good reason why Apple would develop a machine that requires so much R&D and custom parts that users can't upgrade but a few select components, and the expandability is dependent on tech that is already out of date and slower than a standard PCI-e slot. "
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Because the "core" of the computer can be updated once in a while, and external expansion can be added without any "regulations".

I gave you all, thankfully, too small amount of clues, for you to understand what is happening. Just observe, and have open mind. Or jump ship.
 
I am open to what you are describing and quite intrigued to see how it will play out. The wild card for me (or at least what isn't really clear) is how this will work between iOS and macOS in future iterations, will there be a convergence (which has been greatly debated)? What happens when your out of range of the "core" do you get severely throttled or revert to a "lite-os"? What about larger screens for more traditional desktop use? How would they take advantage of the Apple Pencil (I suppose Apple could leverage a Magic Trackpad like device to a degree to accept input and display on the monitor? But what advantage would that have over the mouse or trackpad of today? Unless the Pencil is primarily for mouse/trackpad like input for the iPads of the future). Also would wireless standards be enough to handle that type of workflow (granted on a local network with AC standards-or would this require an additional standard/range/spectrum)?

Sorry, like I said "muddier" some potential answers or solutions lead to more questions.
 
Aldaris said:
I am open to what you are describing and quite intrigued to see how it will play out. The wild card for me (or at least what isn't really clear) is how this will work between iOS and macOS in future iterations, will there be a convergence (which has been greatly debated)?
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Convergence in Apple idea is that both OS'es are working seamlessly. There will not be single OS, for foreseeable future.
 
So when "docked" or connected to the "core" would you have an OSX type experience and revert to iOS when disconnected?

Example iOS is stored on the iPad, when connected to a "core" you're essentially leveraging the "power" of the core and running macOS like a remote connection-therefore having access to files on both devices (local iPad, connected external sources from the "core"), but still running it in a more "remote" like experience?
 
koyoot said:
There is a very good reason why Mac Pro has this design.
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1. To use less material (increase profit)
2. To use a different material (increase profit)
3. To change GPU vendors that you can control (increase profit)
4. To increase base price $500 from 2012 model (increase profit)

STICK'EM UP!
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koyoot said:
Monitors, and Routers were just examples. Examples of third party approach, by Apple.

They miss the point of "which hardware" will be expandable, however. I am not talking about external expansion of external capabilities.

You should be able to draw the lines from this.
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If I give up the rest of the ecosysem, why would I stay on a mac?

OSX isn't head and shoulders above Windows anymore.
 
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koyoot said:
Convergence in Apple idea is that both OS'es are working seamlessly. There will not be single OS, for foreseeable future.
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You mean like later this year? Another Apple lie that Tim Cook tells to himself and users. OS convergence has been happening for years. No scroll bars is IOS. Forcing you into Full Screen against your will ( and no option to disable ) is IOS. The reversal of scrolling on keypad ( up is down, down is up ) is meant to mimic touch screen... IOS. And mostly the removal of ANY feature that is not used by 99% of users is IOS. And while not technically OS, the removal of all buttons and ports is meant to mimic iPad/iPhone... IOS.

In this case though, Tim Cook ( and IVE ) have no idea how an OS should look feel and function. UI = User Interface. INTER-act. But "INTER" is a frowned upon concept at Apple... just like "Choice" and "Options". There is only ONE way to use your computer and OS. Accept it or go to Windows. More people than you think are choosing the latter.
 
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Apple's idea is to transform Macs into a platform that emulates the success of iDevice ecosphere.

An iPhone or an iPad has a lightning port which can be used by all 3rd party peripheral makers who intend their products to be used by iDevice users. The MBP 2016 with TB3 in USB-C factor is the same, do away with HDMI and USB-A etc. Dropping itself out of the wireless router and display market is part of the move, as evidenced we know a singularity approach for peripherals that serve vast interests is not going to work, at least not economically.

The key argument is always this: the transition benefits Apple themselves and their future/existing average consumers, while doing dis-service to long term professional users. Content creating centric workflows are now more than ever depending on GPU compute ability in the form of a workstation, and Apple has positioned its entire "Pro" lineup to work against that approach.

I don't think Apple is clueless as to what they want to be, it is just that they have been moving rather slowly and the roadmap secrecy out of tradition is not helping either. They are determined to dump professional users but just are not ready to say it out loud.
 
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I'm not buying whatever it is koyoot is selling because I don't think Apple is all that smart or visionary these days.

The lack of specifics in koyoot's cryptic responses leads me to one of three possible conclusions:

  1. koyoot is working for (or with) Apple and legally/contractually obligated to not disclose what is coming, but simply can't resist acting like the Swami on the hill, claiming "higher knowledge".
  2. Like the rest of us, koyoot has no ******* clue what is going on at Apple, but is hoping for something miraculous and though he/she doesn't know what it is has decided to offer mysterious content-free ramblings so that, whatever happens, she/he can claim he/she knew it all along.
  3. koyoot is from the future.
For the record, I think option #1 is completely preposterous. I just wish koyoot would come clean and tell me who wins the World Series this year.
 
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How about a future where iDevices and our new underpowered Macs invisibly/seamlessly/dynamically offload work to the cloud (hidden render farms, for example). All of Apple's "power apps" have this functionality, and companies like Adobe add it to their suites. Apple bills you for services (core-hours and storage) and all of your machines seem much faster than they are - it just works. Services are their focus now. And, maybe they also sell a local high-powered box that serves the same purpose in a server room.

The biggest issue in this scenario seems to be internet bandwidth, but things are changing in that regard pretty quickly. Plenty of other things to work out too, but maybe this is a direction they're headed in...
 
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shelt said:
The biggest issue in this scenario seems to be internet bandwidth, but things are changing in that regard pretty quickly. Plenty of other things to work out too, but maybe this is a direction they're headed in...
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I just saw my AWS bill for moving 11 TB to S3. :eek:

The "bandwidth issue" isn't just "how slow it is", but also "how expensive it is". You not only have to pay your ISP a monthly fee for given bandwidth, but you need to pay the cloud providers for bytes transferred. Double-whammy.
 
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koyoot said:
If you cannot draw the lines from obvious things, than I cannot help you more.
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your claim is a greater understanding. your words on the other hand...

I'll agree on one point. Apple has become so enamored of itself that it believes it will invent the future. but a bunch of disparate 3rd party boxes and blocks all connected in a big sloppy mess of cables and wall warts wont achieve what anyone is looking for, no matter how many pencils you have.

what do you see when you spend all day looking in the mirror? you see what is behind you.

what did we get from the Steve Jobs era? a unified approach with product launches that made us sit up with excitement and wonder at the possibilities. what have we been getting for the past say 6 years? fumbling and bumbling while they try desperately try to sell us on whatever disconnected side step they are peddling now.

here's the thing. Steve loved the machine. he wanted to show it off (semi translucent iMac). he was proud of what was inside of it. Tim (and Ive) hate the machine. they want it to go away. Steve understood that the machine was part of the experience. Tim doesn't understand that and wants to separate the experience from the machine. Steve drove a V8 supercharged roadster. Tim probably has a driver.
 
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thats all folks said:
Steve drove a V8 supercharged roadster. Tim probably has a driver.
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A roadster without license plates - because of a loophole.

And turbochargers and superchargers are quite common these days - you get good mileage when you don't put your foot down, and great performance when you do. (I've had turbos for the last 27 years - they just make sense until we get to infinite range¹ electric vehicles.)

Tim lives in a modest townhouse in Palo Alto - probably drives his Prius to Cupertino himself.

footnote ¹ I call a gasoline or hybrid "infinite range" because after many hours of driving you stop for a few minutes, fill up and empty your bladder, and get back on the road. If after a few hours you have to stop for a few hours to recharge - that's not infinite range.
 
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Sounds to me like koyoot is alluding to a kind of client server environment where eventually, the Mac Pro (or whatever it will be called) will be a configurable "server" to any devices connected to it (phones, pads, watches, macs). If that's the case, the Mac Whatever will not require a GPU because the connecting device(s) will have one. It would basically only require a PSU, CPU(s) and RAM and then allow the users to configure the rest and it would provide the computational power and connections that the iDevices lack.

Interesting idea if that's what Apple has in mind...
 
Nope, its not related to a server, but it can be used this way.

Think about possibility, that somebody offers an external GPU, and Apple is going to give "made for XXX" branding on it. They can make a external case to put it into, and the connect to Apple device. Regardless if it is MacBook Pro, iMac, Mac Pro, Mac Mini. On all of them there will be perfect scalability with the hardware that is inside the computer. iPad in this form can be a monitor/display, that connects wirelessly to it.

It is just an example. Zero guarantee that this is the reality you will see, but the "vectors" are laid down.

There is also no time span for showcasing this. Everything depends on how will macOS 10.13 look like, and what features it will have. In general, Apple will give this year something for professionals.

It may be just a placeholder just like Mac Pro 6.1 was.
 
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'Professional' users need more than rumors and/or promises that 'something' is coming at some point.
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Completely agree. If Apple is indeed pursuing what @koyoot has hinted at-Apple needs to alert power users and developers that this is what is coming-waiting for the developers to "catch up" to the vision is detrimental and many will jump platforms before waiting any longer.

If it is a seamless transition like remote computing-and not yet ready for prime time-Apple still needs a band aid-stop gate-holder this year really is critical for the relationship between Apple and the "heavy" user base.
 
shelt said:
How about a future where iDevices and our new underpowered Macs invisibly/seamlessly/dynamically offload work to the cloud (hidden render farms, for example). All of Apple's "power apps" have this functionality, and companies like Adobe add it to their suites. Apple bills you for services (core-hours and storage) and all of your machines seem much faster than they are - it just works. Services are their focus now. And, maybe they also sell a local high-powered box that serves the same purpose in a server room.

The biggest issue in this scenario seems to be internet bandwidth, but things are changing in that regard pretty quickly. Plenty of other things to work out too, but maybe this is a direction they're headed in...
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lag as well they tried gaming with the cloud and the lag made it suck.

also security issues may make so that people want to keep there WIP stuff in house.
 
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NY Guitarist said:
'Professional' users need more than rumors and/or promises that 'something' is coming at some point.
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Even I completely Agree with this.

I, myself, have moved to Windows. Partially because there is no Mac that I would actually buy, apart from 13 inch MBP, and secondly, because I changed my business career and I "need" Windows for my job.
 
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