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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I like the cobalt blue, rose gold, and the purple.
I would also like to see a candy apple red, and a chrome option. I would buy those.
Not exactly. I would start the class action at the 7th, when it becomes officially obsolete.
So, if the "post PC era" upgrade cycle now for Apple ends up being 4-5 years for desktops from here on out, would people here be ok with that and stick with Apple knowing that that is now how Apple does things?
Or is 4-5 years between updates just unacceptable and worthy of moving over to Windows?
In other words... If we knew from the get go that the computers would only get updated every 4-5 years, would we even buy them in the first place?
Or is 4-5 years between updates just unacceptable and worthy of moving over to Windows?
In other words... If we knew from the get go that the computers would only get updated every 4-5 years, would we even buy them in the first place?
I get it... AR ! Mac pro as the compute hub of the other iDevices/3rd party peripherals, all communicating wirelessly
Open mind indeed
Open mind indeed
If Apple made a powerful and upgradeable machine again like the cMP, sure. I've been on the 6 year cycle with my last two MacPros. After 3 years and Applecare goes by I upgraded the hell out of them to get the most for another few years.
Actually, Jim Dalrymple called this five years ago, before the 6,1 was revealed. When he was asked if he thought the MacPro would be discontinued he said no, but he did mention that the plateau'ing performance of CPU's meant it would see fewer update cycles, like once every five years or so.
In terms of performance you don't win THAT much going from E5-v2 to E5-v4, so the big question is really whether or not you need Nvidia GPU's. If you do, Apple is not for you. If you don't, a 2013 MacPro may not give you bragging rights, but it still gets the job done, I guess.
AMD getting it's act together with regards to GPUs, and Vega being on the horizon, is the only real hope. But yeah, on the CPU side there hasn't been much of a compelling reason to upgrade them, though doing it at all would have been at least a good faith thing for MacPro users.
The newer CPUs are clearly better, in particular in having more cores. So if your software can utilize the cores, the V4s are clearly better than V2s. And storage has also improved. The MacBook Pros now have storage options twice the size of the Mac Pro and 2-3 times as fast. You can also put storage in a MacPro5,1 that's another 2 times faster, being >5 times faster than what's available on MacPro6,1. And then there's Thunderbolt 2 vs 3...
And then of course there's the issue that the prices for components have declined while the price for MacPro6,1 has stayed the same...
Since many people use computers for 4-5 years, it would not be a problem if your upgrade cycle coincided with Apple's and you knew Apple's upgrade cycle beforehand... But if you need a new computer in 2017 and have no idea when a new one may or may not come, it is a problem.
Yes, and I have this problem, and is becoming a big one.
If a big job comes in I am pitching for now, and there is no update by end of June, then I have to go PC, no choice. It will be the end of Apple in the office for my business [Macs, iPhones, iPad etc]
Yep. I need a new computer and am really stuck for what to do. Currently looking at a refurbished nMP saves me £600.
As others have been saying, part of the problem for professionals is that we need to trust our suppliers to be able to keep giving us the tools we invest in. It gets even more imporant with Apple since they provide not only the hardware but also the operating systems we run:
If HPE stops presenting a server roadmap and become independable in their release schedule, I don't really care, because I know my server software will keep running just fine on SuperMicro or Dell or Lenovo or even commodity PC hardware in a pinch. But when Apple can't be trusted to release updated hardware in time (but other suppliers can, as is obviously the case at least when it comes to GPUs), for how long will their GPU-bound customers keep investing in tying themselves up to Apple's whim?
If Apple were consistent about always providing their workstations with the latest available GPUs (where we still see considerable enhancements in each new generation), then I think most true professionals could live with the fact that new CPUs fitting the task (where we don't) are released less often now than they used to be.
Instead we have no way of knowing whether the next huge investment in machines and software will be money straight down the toilet, and so we have a vocal crowd declaring that they're jumping ship to a more dependable supplier. Nothing strange there.
For me personally, I would love a powerful, stationary Mac that would allow me to have a single machine at home that was capable of covering both my work-related workflow and my private playing-around needs. That would easily be covered by a Mac Pro with more CPU cores and a single but powerful GPU. As it is, I work from a regular MBPr (the late 2013 model is plenty good enough), I have a server in the datacenter at work as a testbed for heavier VM loads than the laptop is capable of, and then I have a separate regular PC running Fedora Linux for the handful of games and simulators I still run in my spare time. This could easily be consolidated onto a single workstation running my favorite OS.
That's not accurate, the performance winning is high specially if you count on AVX-512 optimized code its near 3x faster (those code using heavy vectorization or matrix, inc. cryptography and video transcoding).
http://insidehpc.com/2016/10/avx-512-instructions/
Yes, but AVX-512 will not come until E5-v5 later this year. Right now they are only available in Xeon Phi x200 processors. The E5-v4 Xeons are AVX2 only.
True, but the E5-v4 have AVX2 and FMA3, so there are still advantages beyond just core count.
I don't miss them
And I won't tease you with the "Memory" tab showing 1024 GiB installed (and 1/3 of the DIMM sockets empty).
and 4 (at least) Kepler K60?I don't miss them
And I won't tease you with the "Memory" tab showing 1024 GiB installed (and 1/3 of the DIMM sockets empty).
That's what it boils down too. I work in the music field and it's shocking to see how that industry is moving away from apple. Even the audio hardware guys are making drivers for windows...
I think that Apple would like to have a kick ass product in every category... but I think that iPhone/iPad development has stretched them too thin. There may be a zillion employees at Apple, but really there probably are only a few top dog design jocks & they've got more on their plate than they can handle.
If your statement were true, Apple would have only a few system designer shared among the ARM and the x86 architecture, among 12.000+ employees. Practically, Tim Cook would have turned Apple into a bank.
That's a management problem.
General Electric makes:
- kick-ass jet engines
- kick-ass industrial automation
- kick-ass power generation (nuclear, steam, wind, hydro and gas turbine)
- kick-ass home appliances
- ...
It's too bad that Apple can't pass the "walk and chew gum at the same time" test.
They sold off the appliance division: http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/15/investing/ge-haier-appliances-sale/index.html