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....and they are trying to sell me an iPad as a super computer.

I have one funnier than that!
Two iPad Pros walked into a bar. One had an Apple Martini and the other tried to drink everyone under the table. After about two hours it was drunk, dancing on the bar and through slurred words was yelling "I Am Too A Super Computer!" :p
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The Mac Pro is probably dead forever. Apple has so little interest in pros I can't see them marketing hard to bring back all those that went Windows in frustration over the past few years. And even if they did why would a pro trust Apple again if they're happy with the Windows transition?
 
The Mac Pro is probably dead forever. Apple has so little interest in pros I can't see them marketing hard to bring back all those that went Windows in frustration over the past few years. And even if they did why would a pro trust Apple again if they're happy with the Windows transition?

I'm researching a machine capable of live streaming and editing of 4k video because my late 2013 iMac isn't up to par despite being maxed out at purchase.

I love the OS, i'm heavily invested in the ecosystem, and would love that machine to be a MP. However it just isn't there. No one in there right mind would buy that machine right now. Looking back I am ecstatic that I didn't invest in a trashcan over my thin iMac.

Oh and the excuse that the political climate isn't right to move the production of the MP back to china is total ********. If there are US workers hired by Apple to build MPs they sure as hell aren't working because only a complete imbecile would order one of those machines. Congratulations Apple you brought one job back to the USA; Ricky from Austin Texas can assemble the one MP order that came in this year. Move the manufacturing where ever the hell you need it to be and make a computer people actually want.

Part of me is clinging on to hope that Apple will respond to Microsoft's Surface Studio and blow them out of the water with a iMac and MP refresh that is out of this world, but it is looking pretty grim.

In the meantime I am saving up and will most likely just build a custom windows machine. It sounds boring, it will have to run Windows, and wont be designed as nice as an Apple product, but my money will go further, it will be upgradable, and I can get exactly what I need.
 
Lets see next announcements, In case no mention on a new Mac Pro, I personally will open the thread:

Jumping from the boat: Mac Pro alternatives.

Why wait? The only announcement rumors I've heard involve iPad Pro. Apple won't mix Mac Pro with iPad Pro announcements because it would just reveal the emptiness of their claims the iPad Pro is a super computer. Apple is all in on this "Post PC" BS.

The Mac Pro is dead.
 
Stubbornness and arrogance are, unfortunately, two of the words that very much apply to Apple these days.

You guys are getting it wrong, its called courage!
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Oh and the excuse that the political climate isn't right to move the production of the MP back to china is total ********. If there are US workers hired by Apple to build MPs they sure as hell aren't working because only a complete imbecile would order one of those machines. Congratulations Apple you brought one job back to the USA; Ricky from Austin Texas can assemble the one MP order that came in this year. Move the manufacturing where ever the hell you need it to be and make a computer people actually want.

This is sad, funny and true all at the same time. Hopefully to not get too political, Apple prices its products based on what it thinks the market can bear and how to maximize revenue. As far as pricing goes, it doesn't matter if the production is here, in China or where ever, that is not effecting total sales and the price they can charge to maximize revenue. Rather, its hitting your costs, allowing you to maximize profits. Apple is thus taking advantage of countries with lesser labor laws, environmental laws, etc., most of which those on the left (and many on the right too) would be horrified if we tried to implement in the US, so that it can make absurd profits.

Part of me is clinging on to hope that Apple will respond to Microsoft's Surface Studio and blow them out of the water with a iMac and MP refresh that is out of this world, but it is looking pretty grim.

In the meantime I am saving up and will most likely just build a custom windows machine. It sounds boring, it will have to run Windows, and wont be designed as nice as an Apple product, but my money will go further, it will be upgradable, and I can get exactly what I need.

And as well you should. The 'ecosystem' is really not worth it. Windows has pulled itself out of the dark ages and is actually pretty nice. You might not have computers that look like a single piece of aluminum, but they are pretty high quality and really the best thing is the support. You can get what ever hardware when ever you want it.
 
Well, some more computers I use are dying, PC and Mac, both six years old. Gonna have to stick with PC at home again, I think, and replace the dying iMac with a PC. Ryzen is going to give me a great Jack of all trades bang for the buck along with the Geforce 1080 price drop. I think I'm going to stick with windows as I dive into Unreal Engine 4 and some of the PC only (direct x) plugins like TrueSky.
 
It's on the schedule for June 2023.

Phil "my ass" Schiller announces the Mac Pro for the next 10 years....​

Probably a rose gold MP6,1
Always cover lack of innovation with a new color or finish :)

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And for our pro level consumers we are revealing a new color MP....

Space Black

Our engineers worked tirelessly to bring you this new Apple exclusive color, which is slightly grayer than jet black, but also slightly blacker than Space gray.
 
Apple should sell their OS separated from the hardware.

If they are not interested in building a proper Pro machine, gaming machine, desktop replacement laptop, ect then let the other companies build it and Apple can get their $500 license fee (or whatever they want to charge for it).

I'd snatch up three licenses day 1.

They can still make their Macs. I mean Microsoft has their machines and the third party machines are not hurting them.
 
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Could be wrong but I was under the impression that WWDC was no longer going to be a hardware event?

It was not suppose to be a hardware event before. "Developers conference"..... If hardware was ready around the same time then it got release but there is high intent to keep it tightly coupled. Apple moved the iPhone off of it when that was reasonable. When Intel was dropping something new in first week of June for Computex and Apple was more tightly consuming those updates, then yes. Intel often dropping mobile parts into volume in the weeks before WWDC put a number of mac laptop updates into the conference. That was not primarily only due to Apple's actions.

Mac Pro and WWDC being in extended tight coupling is largely a myth perpetrated in these forums. There is no track record for that.

It is likely to be even less a system source now. Intel isn't particular hitting that time window. (AMD has not consistent delivery track record. ). There are also four operating systems to cover now ( macOS , iOS , tvOS , watchOS ). If each gets 30 mins. that is a 2 hour show right there. There is no time for a product dog-and-pony show. Unless the product is essential to the demo of one of the new OS features, those are best left to other events with their own 1-1.5 hour block of time.

The "sneak peek" would really be far more about stopping the customer flight and "Mac Pro is dead" stories, than shipping product.

If the Mac Pro has been hung up on a blown Vega release and Xeon E5 v4 and Vega are both finally ready in June that could mean WWDC. The Mac Pro 2013 was partially jammed up on release date due to waiting on Thunderbolt v2 controllers. [ the timing that Apple is on hooked to the end of the Xeon E5 tick-tock cycle has caused problems due to nothing to bump the CPU socket with. ]

That being said there are no rules and they can do what they choose, it's just disappointing to be this deep into a hardware cycle without any insight on what they are planning.

if Apple was targeting Aug-Oct for a Mac Pro update it would be likely that something significant would pop up in the macOS beta that was dropped at WWDC. That next version probably would be starting point for any hardware targeting that window for release.

But yeah Apple's "No widespread roadmap, but watch what we actually do" tends to implode when they don't 'do' anything. If they are continuing with Mac Pro they would be extremely better off if planned some limited upgrades/speed-bumps (e.g. GPU bump. CPU bump , etc. ) during their Rip-van-winkle naps.
 
What are we going to do if Apple drops a new modern MP in our laps in the near future? Same trashcan design. Buy one?

The thought of that now makes me feel uneasy instead of excited. I feel like I would be a sucker. A fool to spend all that money on a new computer from a company that has a track record of dis-interest in professional desktop computing.

Since we now know Apple's mode of operandi, and Tim Cooks obsession with the iPad, do we want to go through this anguish again every 3, 4 years? (If we're lucky). Never knowing if they're gunna dump desktop computers next time around?

A customer's relationship with his computer hardware supplier is in some ways a relationship of trust.
I honestly don't know if I trust Apple will be in the non-iMac desktop computer business in the future.
No, let me reword that: I have zero confidence they will be. Thanks Tim.
 
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And for our pro level consumers we are revealing a new color MP....

Space Black

Our engineers worked tirelessly to bring you this new Apple exclusive color, which is slightly grayer than jet black, but also slightly blacker than Space gray.
"The 'dark mode' you've been waiting for... no more do you have to have anything lighter than your dark room, and we've even gone further, in addition we are introducing a matte black version, so you'll never be able to find in when editing in a pitch black studio"
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While I agree with you on WWDC and announcements, it is worth noting the powermac G5 was announced as well as 6,1 previewed. In the case of the G5 it was the threshold of 64-bit computing, that developers would love to know that Apple was there. The 2013 (6,1) on the other hand was dropped because they were accused (rightly so) of not innovating anymore-previewed by a few studios in an unmarked case with Thunderbolt connections running out, for review purposes to stem the creative bleeding... some would argue Apple needs to do so again. The times when Pros are most likely to be watching Apple has historically been NAB and WWDC, granted there NAB presence is non-existent apart from the selected invites to preview FCPX, Apple marches to their own drum, they set the rules and the precedent so we can only draw conclusions from that. With there being no real "Pro space" activity it is a make or break scenario for many watching. As for the future of the Pro, in my mind I would be much more willing to put >$3k towards and update that would last another 3-5 years than that same amount for a 3 year old system, which near obsolete when you follow what others have said with suppliers ending chipsets in the near future.
 
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As for the future of the Pro, in my mind I would be much more willing to put >$3k towards and update that would last another 3-5 years than that same amount for a 3 year old system, which near obsolete when you follow what others have said with suppliers ending chipsets in the near future.

100% agree.


So to sum everything we know about would be 7,1 MP...

Basically nothing.

We don't know if they are going to just release a super trash can (6,2?) with bumped specs usb 3.1 and call it a day. If they are paying any attention, which I hope they are, they know this isn't what most pros want.

If the Mac Pro has been hung up on a blown Vega release and Xeon E5 v4 and Vega are both finally ready in June that could mean WWDC. The Mac Pro 2013 was partially jammed up on release date due to waiting on Thunderbolt v2 controllers. [ the timing that Apple is on hooked to the end of the Xeon E5 tick-tock cycle has caused problems due to nothing to bump the CPU socket with. ]

With the new Xeon E5 and Vega, from what we know the timing could be right for a WWDC sneak peak with developers and Apple fans watching.

If the WWDC passes by and we don't here anything about hardware, usually some info about hardware is data-mined from the new version of macOS so at least there is that to look forward to.

"You will see us do more in the pro area," Cook said. "The pro area is very important to us. The creative area is very important to us in particular." Tuesday February 28, 2017 9:46 am

It's safe to say they are working on a computer, however the rest is just wild speculation. We don't know if its a MP 6,2, or 7,1, or if they are gong to slap a pro on to the end of iMac and have iPad Pro, Macbook Pro, and iMac Pro and say that is what they are doing in the pro area.
 
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The Mac Pro is dead.

None of us want to admit it, but this is probably accurate.
What are we going to do if Apple drops a new modern MP in our laps in the near future? Same trashcan design. Buy one?

The thought of that now makes me feel uneasy instead of excited. I feel like I would be a sucker. A fool to spend all that money on a new computer from a company that has a track record of dis-interest in professional desktop computing.

Since we now know Apple's mode of operandi, and Tim Cooks obsession with the iPad, do we want to go through this anguish again every 3, 4 years? (If we're lucky). Never knowing if they're gunna dump desktop computers next time around?

A customer's relationship with his computer hardware supplier is in some ways a relationship of trust.
I honestly don't know if I trust Apple will be in the non-iMac desktop computer business in the future.
No, let me reword that: I have zero confidence they will be. Thanks Tim.

The constant turn-over in hardware, especially GPU's makes it really, really difficult to even consider whatever Apple is selling. GPU accelerated apps are NOT going away, and CUDA is arguably the industry standard in video right now.

If it doesn't have a PCI slot, it's the same "can't innovate my A$$ design," and doesn't have room inside for expansion, then I think most Pro users are gonna bail. Especially those that are really pushing the GPU inside the current nMP and getting hardware failures.

Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice...
 
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If it doesn't have a PCI slot

Do you think Apple would offer a PCIe? The implication is that they would have to support the gamut of PCIe cards from both nvidia / amd?

I agree that it would be amazing but judging by the companies history, not sure that is a play they are willing to make.
 
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Do you think Apple would offer a PCIe? The implication is that they would have to support the gamut of PCIe cards from both nvidia amd?

I agree that it would be amazing but judging by the companies history, not sure that is a play they are willing to make.

I would absolutely love to be wrong, but I don't think we'll ever see a PCIe slot in another Mac. I also don't think you will ever see a officially supported PCIe eGPU from Apple.

Think about it, Apple is all about control. They want 100% control of the user experience, and they can't lock that down if you are changing hardware all the time. One also has to question why they are soldering what used to be user-replaceable components in their laptops. Is it better to for Apple to get custom supplied parts or better for the end user to have a choice? Who benefits more from making a disposable computer?

If you want PCIe slots and complete control of your hardware, it's time to build a Hack or move to Windows.

If you don't care about upgrading, and don't mind being in the dark about products, upgrades, or any future availability of your ecosystem investment, then Apple may be for you.
 
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