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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

AidenShaw said:
Someday Apple will regret their decisions to not support touch on laptops and desktops.
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Not sure about desktops and touch, but definitely on laptops. I bought a Dell Inspiron laptop for basic internet use and writing, and I love using it as a touch-tablet or a laptop. Apple missed the boat on this.

Apple wants to keep touch and laptops/desktops separate because it allows for multiple revenue streams, but I wonder if that will seem wise in a year or two.

Want a laptop? Get a MacBook Pro.

Want a touch-tablet? Get an iPad.

Want both? Get a Dell/HP/Lenovo/Asus/etc.

The only thing missing on the Windows side is a smooth OS experience. It's better, but still a bit behind Mac. But that difference means less and less with each new disappointing Apple product announcement.
 
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ManuelGomes said:
You can still find really old files in recent versions.
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Are you seriously trying to claim that maintaining compatibility across system releases is a liability?

Seriously?

And looking at a recent fresh install of Windows 10-1607, the "really old" files seem to be primarily the MFC and MSVC dll libraries for older versions of Visual Studio.

Would you feel better if Microsoft ran a script to "touch" those older files?
 
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jeff7117 said:
That's a scary place to be, but I completely understand. It took me 6 months of research and planning before I decided to switch. No regrets so far.
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It's just a matter of picking your poison really, personally I'd rather go through the headache of building a mackintosh over switching back to Windows at this point. But we're all slaves to the system, anyone who believes otherwise is delusional.

I reiterate, at the current point in time, Apple's the more merciful master.
 
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jeff7117 said:
We have truly come full circle from the apple switcher ads.
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I think it shows how much Apple have changed as a company in the last few years that they're prepared to let it slip away so easily. Having a close relationship with the "pro" side of the design business made Apple cool in the consumers eyes. Almost out of reach cool, but obtainable if you were prepared to pay (Apple Tax). Now? Perhaps emoji are the new cool but tomorrow? Consumers are far more fickle than the pro side and, this time, when the crowd move on, the pro's won't be around to steady the ship.
 
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ManuelGomes said:
You can still find really old files in recent versions.
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Are you seriously trying to claim that maintaining compatibility across system releases is a liability?

Seriously?

And looking at a recent fresh install of Windows 10-1607, the "really old" files seem to be primarily the MFC and MSVC dll libraries for older versions of Visual Studio.

If you want to run apps built on the 2003 version of Visual Studio, they need the thirteen year old 2003 libraries to run.

Would you feel better if Microsoft ran a script to "touch" those older files so that everything seems to be from 2017?
 
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askunk said:
If they stop selling MPs, the next Mac will be designed on a PC.

Apple idles... (maybe tomorrow a shy refresh of iPads... depressing)... while Micro$oft f&/ks with us seriously:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/switch/mac-surface/home :eek:
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We got a surface book for a new guy starting in my office, and it is nice. my iPad Pro was a great entry into tablets for drawing, but I think when I get a laptop it is going to be the next gen surface book with an Nvidia gpu.
 
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AidenShaw said:
Are you seriously trying to claim that maintaining compatibility across system releases is a liability?

Seriously?

And looking at a recent fresh install of Windows 10-1607, the "really old" files seem to be primarily the MFC and MSVC dll libraries for older versions of Visual Studio.

If you want to run apps built on the 2003 version of Visual Studio, they need the thirteen year old 2003 libraries to run.

Would you feel better if Microsoft ran a script to "touch" those older files so that everything seems to be from 2017?
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I suspect he has never had the joy of chasing down a replacement for a mission critical piece of software that suddenly doesn't work anymore because support for it was dropped (Rosetta).
 
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As much as I like my nMP, I have no idea what I'm going to do when it really can't do what I need. Do I build a Hackintosh or get another cMP and toss a good GPU in it?

If Apple eventually does release a 7,1 then I seriously hope they go back to a modular design and don't just toss some newer hardware in the cylinder. That would just be insulting, there is NO way I'm going to sell my 6,1 to buy a newer, still-non-upgradeable cylinder. Oh, but it'll have TB3 so I can just add enclosures! Yeah, sorry, no. Give me something about the size of an HP Z640, multiple CPU and GPU options that can be upgraded like a proper workstation, etc. It's not rocket science. There's no need to make it overly-complicated. We want a pro machine that we can toss in a half rack or wherever we want. The pro users have zero interest in how much power you can pack into the smallest space. Whoever is/was leading the team designing the nMP clearly lacked any understanding about what we need and want. Apple screwed the pro users over, if they want to win us back then they need to release a proper pro workstation again.

One thing is for certain, though. The only way I'll ever go back to Windows is when macOS is dead and gone and by then I would expect Linux to have even more support for mainstream desktop apps, which could mean not being forced to ever go back to Windows.

If Apple wants to get out of the desktop market then I know how they could still keep it alive. It would never happen, but they could work with Dell/HP and have them provide Apple-certified workstations. Apple makes money on licensing, Dell/HP make money by catering to the pro Mac users that Apple has alienated. My biggest detraction with Hackintoshes is stability. If I knew that I could build a rock-solid Hackintosh with a vanilla install on current hardware then I'd sell my nMP and do it tomorrow. I'm done with tinkering and just want something to work. :)

I really do hope we hear something during the next WWDC. Good or bad I don't care, just break the silence instead of telling us to stay tuned.

</rant>
 
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Yahooligan said:
If Apple wants to get out of the desktop market then I know how they could still keep it alive. It would never happen, but they could work with Dell/HP and have them provide Apple-certified workstations. Apple makes money on licensing, Dell/HP make money by catering to the pro Mac users that Apple has alienated. My biggest detraction with Hackintoshes is stability. If I knew that I could build a rock-solid Hackintosh with a vanilla install on current hardware then I'd sell my nMP and do it tomorrow. I'm done with tinkering and just want something to work. :)
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We have HP-Z640s and 840s coming and I thought the same thing. If Apple wanted to make this happen they could.

I think Apple is 'ghosting' Pro users and wants to just let Mac Pro customers give up on their own and move on, without a big announcement.
 
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fastlanephil said:
I mostly compose with VIs so the cMac Pro noise level isn't a serious issue. It sounds like a 2013 Mac Pro would simplify things for your needs. You can buy or special order a 6, 8 or 12 core model at B&H Photo with the D300 GPUs and save some money. Free ship/no sales tax.

For Windows have you checked out ADKProAudio? You can call them about your specific needs. They have a lot of configurations and options.
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Thank you! I'll take a look again. I'm currently waiting to hear on a nMP 6-core configuration from www.iBuildmacs.com
I really love my BMD Thunderbolt MultiDock.

Regarding the cMP, the noise floor is an issue (maybe) because I'm composing orchestral music: I just haven't found a great way to get a KVM over ethernet. But maybe I should go with the cMP 12-core and control it using Screen Sharing via ethernet from my 2012 Mini so that I can load the cMP machine up with a 970 or a 980 nVidia card for Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6 and DaVinci Resolve (and for FCPX and Compressor?? I'm not sure that they can use the nVidia cards, but I'll probably just start using DaVinci because it allows AAF exporting.
 
deconstruct60 said:
macOS draws into a framebuffer and the CPU driving the touchpad copies the contents of the framebuffer out and using its own GPU (and associated output) to draw the screen on the touchpad screen
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deconstruct60 said:
So once commit to the touchpad about the size of a watch the reast just falls into place.
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Oh dear, where is this touchpad screen and its GPU?:)
 
AppleStore Announcement:
"We 've got something special in store for you, and we can't wait for you to see it"

I don't think that there will be anything interesting regarding Macs but anyway let's see it...
 
tuxon86 said:
The A2000 yes, the A1000 and A500 not so much.
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If you flipped the A500 over you had access to an internal RAM expansion + real-time clock right there. Otherwise it was all dongles, via ports or the side-mounted Zorro II bus.
 
Oh come on!! Don't be ungrateful. Years waiting and they came out with a SHINING new 2017 iPad, almost identical to the previous, with a worse APU than the 2016 Pro, worse cameras, no pencil or keyboard and even the anti-reflective coating (it seems).

Now we can forgive them for all these years without new products. They were working hard to keep the same design as 5 years ago while thickening it and making it heavier. Go, Tim.

Can't innovate, my ass!!
 
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The updates today from Apple were embarrassing. But I guess this is because of the issues we were hearing about.
 
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