I still have an A3000 with a 68040 upgrade sitting in the garage. Built-in flicker fixer and VGA output, baby!
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I still have an A3000 with a 68040 upgrade sitting in the garage. Built-in flicker fixer and VGA output, baby!
Apple announcements might bring good news (or not).
Now we have iPad Pro, iPad and iPad Mini.
That might mean we're still gonna get the Mac Pro, (i)Mac and Mac Mini, right? Wishful thinking here.
Maybe they'll rename the iMac to just Mac and there we have it.
[doublepost=1490112369][/doublepost]And so it begins... I guess we won't see it in the nMP yet. Maybe in the future DIMMs and SSDs will use the tech.
http://wccftech.com/intel-optane-ssd-dc-p4800x-revenue-quarter-3d-xpoint-roadmap/
[doublepost=1490113094][/doublepost]http://www.anandtech.com/show/11208/intel-introduces-optane-ssd-dc-p4800x-with-3d-xpoint-memory
Now we have iPad Pro, iPad and iPad Mini.
That might mean we're still gonna get the Mac Pro, (i)Mac and Mac Mini, right? Wishful thinking here.
Maybe they'll rename the iMac to just Mac and there we have it.
[doublepost=1490112369][/doublepost]And so it begins... I guess we won't see it in the nMP yet. Maybe in the future DIMMs and SSDs will use the tech.
http://wccftech.com/intel-optane-ssd-dc-p4800x-revenue-quarter-3d-xpoint-roadmap/
[doublepost=1490113094][/doublepost]http://www.anandtech.com/show/11208/intel-introduces-optane-ssd-dc-p4800x-with-3d-xpoint-memory
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I don't think they're capable of doing that. The Trashcan is pretty much at the limit of its cooling ability. It's probably one of the reasons it didn't get updated in so long.
Shhh Apple wil update soon the Mac Pro: The 'All' new Mac Pro, willl arrive with Single Xeon E5v2 and Dual GPU AMD D300, D500, or D700 and upto 128GB DDR3 Ram, and Upto 2GB pcie2 SSD, and if not enough will be available as Red Product ....
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At this point seems obvious the Mac mini is the one with less chances here, now seems at apple everithing 'mini' smells like fish... (maybe Cook dont like mini-things)
One thing's for certain, Capt Cook can't retire now. If he did, the natives would lose their minds.
Retire? Why? He presents "new" products all the time.
It's like when we paint our homes. They are like new now, we say.
So, this is it, lesson learned and the Captain gave the order, just paint a new color to an old product and present it like a new one...
Oh I know about the A1200 But it wasn't all that expandable internally at the time. Now, you can, with products like Indivision's, do quite a job on them. I had an internal DVI graphic update and an 68030 accelerator with 128meg ram plus 2x CF card ide adapter in mine when I sold it last year (I shouldn't have...)
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Yes I know.
You could also upgrade the CPU with a pin compatible 68010 and later with the advent of 3rd party piggyback addon a 68020 and IDE connector.
Lucky guy. Those where out of my reach money wise at the time. An Amiga 4000 is one of the thing that I want to own before I die...
Already has somewhat been a Red Product.
http://www.cultofmac.com/255645/yowza-product-red-mac-pro-sells-for-977000-at-auction/
That probably raised more than a larger run number with more regular prices would have.
Although it is more than annoying that Ive has copious spare time to do "one offs" and practically the whole Mac line up is comatose in terms of design. Decoupling Ive (and most of his team) from the Mac product line design process would probably do tremendous improvement if found some folks who are actually willing to do some work.
The Mini will likely get smaller ( like the laptops thinner and no allowances at all for 2.5" drives. ) or bigger ( go vertical, not the same but perhaps similar to the vertical airport. and still have 2.5" drive option. Or just allowance for tracking desktop processors of iMac 21.5 line. ). The Mini can swim in the bow wave of the laptops or iMac. Dropping the lowest end would have ecosystem health problems long term. ( need enough volume for software market to work. )
The Mac Pro doesn't have a volume bow wave of either of the leading true flagship products of the Mac line up. Apple could carve out the bottom end of the Mac Pro in terms of core count with a "iMac Pro" that stepped up the thermal envelope a bit to pack a bit more 'heft' (e.g., HP Z1 ).
Dropping the top half of the Mac Pro market won't eat into overall Mac revenue/profits or long term Mac software ecosystem volumes. The argument that Apple has to keep the Mac Pro because the Mac ecosystem will collapse without is hollow. The same idea was trotted out when the XServe was terminated and the Mac market is still here.[/QUOTE]
I briefly owned a 1200 with a '030 and a large hard drive; way beyond the practical lifetime of the Amiga. Fun times, but by that time the PC was more useful for everything except for smooth 2D scrolling and nice chip sounds.
emphasis added above to help with the point made below.
The desktop market and the "half rack" market are not the same thing. The current Mac Pro desk is optimized for a actual desktop. It is not desk-side, under-desk, rack (half or full ) targeted. So if yelping about Apple staying in the desktop market poking holes because it is a not a desktop machine is kind of a farce. The change with the 2013 model is a heavy shift to being desktop focused.
If the argument is "Oh Apple I don't want a desktop (or laptop)" then it should be more evident where the disconnect here is. Very similar to the XServe ( also not a desktop, which Apple also walked away from.). But if want one from Apple sending a cluttered message that want a desktop when you don't isn't likely going to get much traction if any from Apple.
Apple already tried "clones" and that failed. There is nothing new now to likely change that outcome. If Apple charged what it would for licensing at the margins they would need HP/Dell probably wouldn't buy ( likely substantially higher than any Microsoft or Linux licensing they'd be paying.). More than likely HP/Dell would also take clones and try to drive into the iMac market ( same story in '90's clones were support to target edges were Apple wasn't. Instead primary target of clones was Apple's core market and only minor touches at the edges. ) .
The core premise of the "clone" approach was that Apple needed to approximately match "top three players" market share in terms of volume to survive. That was flawed and Apple is now sitting on a vast money pit that says otherwise.
WWDC is a dubious "line in the sand" to use. If have a deep need for a new workstation evaluate what is out there and buy it. If don't need to buy anything at the moment then don't ( and since not buying really doesn't matter there is nothing new since just window shopping. ). Additionally highly dubious that Windows wouldn't have been an evaluation option at previous Mac buy windows also. It isn't like this should be "new".
The vast majority of Mac Pro class systems' announcements do not happen around WWDC.
If Apple does no Mac announcements by WWDC then would be a turning point. That is really more a measure of doing nothing for approximately 1/2 a year. Given they didn't almost nothing in 2016 to follow that up with nothing for 1H17 is a sign that they are quite 'lost' in terms in Mac product management. That would be basically inexcusable as anything other than purely milking a cash cow. In the past, Apple has dropped some new Macs in the first half of the year. To switch to two years in a row of falling down on the job would be significant.
I've been warning people that it's not just the Mac Pro. There is a crowd here that think it's because Apple is preferring iOS or the iPad. It's not that, the entire roadmap for everything is just totally screwed up. The only reason Apple releases an iPhone on time every year is because Apple knows how bad it would look to the general public if they missed that.
Still hearing no iMac until the second half of the year, possibly 4th quarter. So even the early 2017 iMac rumors are giving Apple way too much credit. If we're lucky, might see something at WWDC, but I really doubt it (for the iMac.)
Well it sounds like more of the "good stuff" is coming back half of the year (AMD Vega vs. Polaris, higher-spec Kaby Lake CPUs and chipsets) so it might be better for Apple to wait for the best stuff they can get to maximize the usability over the longer future product life-cycles than ship something now and have the forums go ballistic later this year when the new products start hitting and we have to wait years for them when the next update cycle happens.
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! HA!
I wish I could reach all the way over to Seattle from Spokane. I'd ruffle your hair and call you an "adorable knucklehead".
Hope dies hard. Yes, indeed. It surely does.
That theory of thought drove many parishioners over the last 1189 days since Mac Pro was last updated. Some still have high hopes. I'll modify one of my favorite lines from Star Trek: Insurrection - How many days does it take, before it becomes wrong? Hmm? A thousand, fifty thousand, a million? How many days does it take?
Now my personal rant: I'll admit, even I experienced a glimmering thought today that they would quietly refresh some of the Mac line and sweep it under the rug to avoid publicity on the extremely eradic and long refresh cycles. Sadly, they of course didn't. And you can bet your bottom dollar that the first 20 minutes of the next hour long keynote will be wasted re-covering how fantastic/incredible/loved these new products like the red iPhone and "new" iPad have been. Surely a sales highlight of the MacBook Pro and how the touchbar has changed personal computing forever. The last 40 mintues will be dedicated to talking about Apple Music, some great new iOS device, complete with a demonstration about a new Nintendo game coming to iOS. Maybe Craig talking about new OS versions. End keynote.
End of the day: I dont think anyone can predict the eradic update behavior of Apple's Mac line. Frankly, if it's not iOS, I wouldn't loose sleep over it.
That'd be ideal and even understandable, so long as they don't pull a "let's update our older Macs to Skylake instead of Kaby Lake while at the same time Intel is releasing Coffee Lake."
I'm having a hard time understanding some of your sentences, they are a bit...jumbled. Sorry.
Your counterpoint would be valid if you took the time to understand what I was comparing it to; the HP Z640. This is a tower with decent room to expand that will still fit into a rack. You can put it on your desk, next to your desk, under your desk, in a rack. It doesn't matter. As I said in the same sentence, "or wherever we want." I did not say or imply that I wanted a rack-mount chassis that doesn't work on a desk. The cMP case will not fit in a rack unless you keep it vertical. The nMP is a workstation. Not a piece of art that can function as a workstation under certain circumstances. It has a workstation CPU, it has workstation GPUs, etc. When Apple decided to go with form over function they gave pro users the finger. They didn't care what features pro users want in a workstation. Imagine if Ferrari were commissioned to design a truck, it would look great and you could probably tow a Ferrari with it, but it wouldn't be good for much else. Now imagine if that new Ferrari truck were marketed towards commercial truck drivers and trucking companies. The ones that haul Ferraris around for a living would love it, the others would shake their heads and laugh.
Apple needs to either produce a workstation that fits a wide-range of needs and environments or they need to EOL the Mac Pro. Whether they'll do either of those is anyone's guess, but I really hope this excessive wait for a refresh is due to a redesign and prepping for manufacturing. It wouldn't take this long to produce an updated cylinder with current CPUs plus GPUs that actually have huge performance gains but require less energy and produce less heat. Heck, just look at the GTX Titan X. 250w TDP, 11 TFLOPS. The D700 is at 274w. Each. ~3.5 TFLOPS. Each. A single GTX Titan X uses ~46% of the power that the dual D700s use at peak and is 57% faster in terms of floating point performance. What was that about the cylinder being at its thermal design limits already according to JMacHack? There are better options that run cooler today.
"Beautiful" and "functional" or "modular" aren't mutually exclusive, I'm sure Apple knows this. They just don't seem to care.
