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He doesn't do waranty work... He repair mostly older model who aren't covered anymore but are still totally useable for many. He does this by scavanging parts from other unrepairable machine, thus saving them from going to the landfill. Most "Apple Authorized" won't even try to repair them.

Being Apple Authorized doesn't mean you can't do out of warranty work. It would be a better deal for his customers because in warranty repairs would be covered by Apple, and for out of warranty repairs he could get access to Apple's parts network if he needed it. Or he can continue patching out of warranty motherboards while being Apple Authorized too.

There's no downside besides him feeling bad about himself because he's not an "independent" tech anymore which for some reason is an issue. In his video he did some grandstanding about how people in third world countries have trouble finding Apple authorized techs. That's fine but he's in New York, not Afghanistan.

He even makes a deal on his web page about not being Apple Authorized. I have no clue what his deal is.

As for him using unauthorize shematic and other Apple docs, I remember a time when those same schematic were at the end of the user guide that came with your computer...

Still not a good reason why he couldn't become Apple Authorized.
 
Guy is a complete moron. Apple will give you access to all the repair resources he complained about if you become AppleCare certified. He's not AppleCare certified, apparently has no interest in doing so, so he's just complaining online about Apple not helping him do warranty voiding repairs.

Wouldn't trust him to repair an Apple branded toaster.

"They won't offer it to me for any amount of money."

GET APPLECARE CERTIFIED. The pirating site he's downloading this stuff from is probably getting all the diagnostic tools is probably AppleCare certified.

He also twists around back and forth, so he knows this. One moment he'll say that only Apple has access to this stuff, then he'll slip and say "Apple Authorized."

Sham sham sham.

Then he complains that all the tools suggest he do repairs by replacing whole parts but that's exactly what AppleCare is supposed to do and again these are AppleCare tools. If you're under warranty why would you patch a motherboard instead of a replacing it?
Because it would save a lot of resources, frankly. He doesn't want to become AC certified because that woud turn him into a replacer, too, instead of a repairer.
[doublepost=1492810535][/doublepost]As for nVidia updating drivers for Pascal: who is to say this is not in preparation for the iMac Pro or next iMac instead of the Mac Pro that may be two years out? If Apple wants to cover more bases with the iMac they need a fast and energy efficient dGPU. The mobile variants of the 1060, 1070 or 1080 certainly qualify and offer a lot better performance than anything AMD can offer atm at a fraction of the thermal envelope.
 
Who the hell is Lisa Jackson anyway? Someone from marketing or PR?
Fair question; quoting from article, she's "Apple vice president of environment, policy and social initiatives". Not sure if she has direct influence in Apple's strategic decisions, but I don't think that anyone with such a position in any company would just expressing personal opinions to the press.
 
Schiller is in marketing.. he's not a builder.
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i quit watching after 2:45 - 3:45

AppleHardwareTest is on all macs.. boot while holding 'D' key (or opt-D to load the test from the internet)

[edit-- hmm.. i guess it's not on all macs anymore (after2013).. now called 'Apple Diagnostics' instead of AHT?.. maybe different.. that said, i imagine the diagnostic software is already on the machine.. because, loading software onto a broken machine in order to see what's wrong with it doesn't seem to make to much sense.. in many cases, you'll be unable to boot much less install software]



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I’m sure you saw the gist of what I posted.
 
There is a lot more context to the whole scheme of 3rd party repairs. If you watch more of that guy's videos, particularly his most viewed one, where he literally spent just a few minutes replacing a dead chip on MBA mother board from a donor board, you may see a bit more from his perspective. The owner of that unit took it to Apple Store Genius Bar and Apple quoted $750 to replace the whole board/computer. The MBA is likely out of AC warranty, which is where the actual hardware issues start to surface for most consumer electronics. As a consumer I would like to see both the 1st party and 3rd party options to be available to serve two ends of needs.
 
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Being Apple Authorized doesn't mean you can't do out of warranty work. It would be a better deal for his customers because in warranty repairs would be covered by Apple, and for out of warranty repairs he could get access to Apple's parts network if he needed it. Or he can continue patching out of warranty motherboards while being Apple Authorized too.

There's no downside besides him feeling bad about himself because he's not an "independent" tech anymore which for some reason is an issue. In his video he did some grandstanding about how people in third world countries have trouble finding Apple authorized techs. That's fine but he's in New York, not Afghanistan.

He even makes a deal on his web page about not being Apple Authorized. I have no clue what his deal is.



Still not a good reason why he couldn't become Apple Authorized.
He doesn’t want to and shouldn’t need to, what on earth are you on about?
Right to repair, that’s his point. Imagine if things were the Apple way with everything you own. RAM and HD at the very least are both ‘wearable’ items.
Why do I need to be certified to be able to fix my car? There is just as much intellectual property and FAR more danger involved in car repair and that's not an issue for me or the dealer or the public around me.
 
We are the one who bought a computer when nobody had it. We are the drivers, we should test new features and ask for powerful computers. As the market expands to the masses, the general computing for simple tasks takes over, but Apple said clearly that they know there is a niche of important customers. Developers, artists, scientists, engineers, businesses... we deserve a computer with added power, not a compromise architecture.

If Apple introduces the Touchbar on Pro laptops, it should be bold with the mMP. We are ready to spend a bit more for features that can one day be implemented in consumer products. Apple, do your best!

I know... the touchbar isn't that useful, but it's a given now. I am asking for a new gen technology applied for the higher end users. After all, mMP customers aren't that attracted to a laptop. We work with extended keyboards and big screens!
 
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He doesn’t want to and shouldn’t need to, what on earth are you on about?
Right to repair, that’s his point. Imagine if things were the Apple way with everything you own. RAM and HD at the very least are both ‘wearable’ items.
Why do I need to be certified to be able to fix my car? There is just as much intellectual property and FAR more danger involved in car repair and that's not an issue for me or the dealer or the public around me.

He has right to repair. He's complaining that he doesn't get access to the AppleCare tools when he's not AppleCare certified.

Then, on top of that, he complains that the AppleCare tools that he pirated only give him direction on how to repair under AppleCare.

Look, if he doesn't want to be AppleCare, that's fine. But then he should stop complaining about not having access to the AppleCare program.

It's just a really strange rant because it's not hard to become Apple Authorized, and becoming Apple Authorized doesn't stop him from repairing instead of replacing. The only time he'd be forced to replace is under a warranty repair. I've had a bunch of Apple Authorized places always be willing to do the sort of repairs he's talking about when I'm out of warranty.

When he's saying he can't do the repairs he does and be Apple certified he's lying. It's not true.
 
He has right to repair. He's complaining that he doesn't get access to the AppleCare tools when he's not AppleCare certified.

Then, on top of that, he complains that the AppleCare tools that he pirated only give him direction on how to repair under AppleCare.

Look, if he doesn't want to be AppleCare, that's fine. But then he should stop complaining about not having access to the AppleCare program.

It's just a really strange rant because it's not hard to become Apple Authorized, and becoming Apple Authorized doesn't stop him from repairing instead of replacing. The only time he'd be forced to replace is under a warranty repair. I've had a bunch of Apple Authorized places always be willing to do the sort of repairs he's talking about when I'm out of warranty.

When he's saying he can't do the repairs he does and be Apple certified he's lying. It's not true.
I’m pretty sure that Apple regularly say one thing and do another, (because they’re not legally allowed to throw their weight around). That said, I can buy official factory tools from Mercedes at a not too ridiculous price and I’m not certified with them.
I’m pretty sure that Apple ‘recommend’ you do certain things that they prefer.
 
Intel feeling the heat. 12 core HEDT SKL-X, 6 core mainstream Coffee Lake, all pushed earlier.
But I guess the more interesting Xeons SKL-W will be out only next year. Let's hope Apple already has their hands on them for the mMP.
 
Intel feeling the heat. 12 core HEDT SKL-X, 6 core mainstream Coffee Lake, all pushed earlier.
But I guess the more interesting Xeons SKL-W will be out only next year. Let's hope Apple already has their hands on them for the mMP.
Kaby Lake-X with 16 pci-e and 4 cores will suck.

Coffee Lake-X needs to have more pci-e
 
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Fair question; quoting from article, she's "Apple vice president of environment, policy and social initiatives". Not sure if she has direct influence in Apple's strategic decisions, but I don't think that anyone with such a position in any company would just expressing personal opinions to the press.
That's true, but I'm guessing (hoping) she's spinning Apple's current decisions rather than justifying future ones. If she were head of development I'd be scared.
 
Kaby Lake-X with 16 pci-e and 4 cores will suck.

Coffee Lake-X needs to have more pci-e

There won't be a Coffee Lake-X on the "non mainstream' track. The Skylake-X HEDT/Xeon E5 class implementation already uses the 14+ nm process that Kaby lake used. Coffee Lake is 14++ nm process. It is really a gap filler because the 10nm process is taking longer to get to high enough yield for large scale production. Intel is going to roll out first on much smaller die lower mobile range first and larger, more profitable Xeon E5 (and up) first on 10nm. So the desktop and large mobile die have to wait..... hence Coffee Lake gap filler.

The Kaby Lake-X is a yet another goofy gap filler ( very highly binned high over clock design over the original design baseline clock). If Intel can synch the desktop gen 9 (Cannonlake) much closer to the the -X ( and -W) releases then it will be matched with Cannon Lake to Cannon Lake. There is no necessity to have a Coffee Lake-X version at all whether 4 core limited or 6+ .

Skylake -W ( -X ) in 2017 and likely Cannon Lake -W ( -X ) in Q4 (maybe Q3) 2018. There is no time for "coffee lake" in that tight schedule. Intel might make a move to a desktop variant that has either no iGPU ( so baseline 8 cores ) or move the iGPU to a different dis and integrate via the chip package. CPU die + iGPU die + eDRAM/HBM v2 cache something like that. The 4-6 core hot rod socket version would perhaps just drop the iGPU die or have some minimalist almost GT1 one so the CPU die can soak up most of the TDP. But no real major expansion in PCI-e lanes versus the real 6+ core -W ( -X ) versions.
 
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Skylake, Kabylake, Coffeelake. . . by the time the mMP is released, PCs will be on Lake Titicaca.

(29 posts before this old man can start schooling kids on ‘sensitive’ topics. The way things are going I don’t think I’ll make it unless I find a Hackintosh thread.)
 
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Is Intel lost? Now there's an i5 KBL-X also, no HT. LGA2066 to go with Basin Falls -X. It's good to make HEDT more affordable, to the masses, but it starts to get strange.
I wonder if AMD didn't come up with Ryzen if we'd have this?!
May-June announcement and availability, Computex.
 
KBL-X is a joke 2 ram channels on boards with quad and 16 pci-e on boards with 40+ from cpu.

Intel may just dump KBL-X and kill it quick
 
Is Intel lost? Now there's an i5 KBL-X also, no HT. LGA2066 to go with Basin Falls -X. It's good to make HEDT more affordable, to the masses, but it starts to get strange.
I wonder if AMD didn't come up with Ryzen if we'd have this?!
May-June announcement and availability, Computex.

Intel likes to offer all things to all people. AMD has brought its HEDT platform in at a price point that competes with Intel's general consumer offerings. Intel offering a cheap entry-point into its HEDT makes sense, especially if they can boast that their single-threaded and gaming performance is much better than AMD's. Those consumers who buy a LGA2066 based motherboard can always buy a more expensive processor later.

KBL-X is a joke 2 ram channels on boards with quad and 16 pci-e on boards with 40+ from cpu.

Intel may just dump KBL-X and kill it quick

Why is additional choice a bad thing? Want the fastest single threaded performance? Get KBL-X. Want more cores and PCIe lanes, get Skylake-X.
 
Yeah, KBL-X is just a re-packaged KBL for socket 2066, and like I said, it's good to have affordable HEDT, but still it's a bit odd.
I wasn't complaining, just saying.
It does make the platform stranger. Firmware support for different SKUs might bring headaches, dual or quad mem channels, different counts of PCIe lanes. Or not.
[doublepost=1493287146][/doublepost]And Intel just quietly launched Xeon Platinum (8000 series)and Gold (5000 and 6000 series) Xeons up to 28 cores.
Another naming nightmare.
And not just naming.
SKL but socket R3 2011-3? WTF?! Guess not, other info points to new sockets.
This is insane...

What about the previously mentioned 32 core that had the former naming? E5-2699 v5 that is.
Xeon Silver and Bronze series seem to be SKL-X (3000 and 4000 series).
 
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Yeah, KBL-X is just a re-packaged KBL for socket 2066, and like I said, it's good to have affordable HEDT, but still it's a bit odd.
I wasn't complaining, just saying.
It does make the platform stranger. Firmware support for different SKUs might bring headaches, dual or quad mem channels, different counts of PCIe lanes. Or not.

Or did the leaked Intel slides more so about a shared PCH chipset than of a shared slot? KBL-X that is in a standard desktop slot would make some sense. It was be a 'hot rod' version of the E5 12x0 v6 series that have the disabled GPU ( e.g., E3 1280 v6 .. http://ark.intel.com/products/97475/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E3-1280-v6-8M-Cache-3_90-GHz ) .

For a LGA 2066 socket ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2066) to have a die inserted that is completely disconnected from almost 1000 pins.... what is the point. If just the interface to the chipset is the same between these 2066 and 1151 sockets then it makes more sense.

The firmware , slot routing , and SKUs are different on the motherboards because they are different boards. They would just have a shared PCH component.

Perhaps they are trying to stuff it into the socket. Perhaps gets a better grade of cooler and more room for first level heat expander. of mITX ( and other microboards where there isn't much room to use more than 1-2 standard PCI-e card sockets it may not make much difference. ) . But for a full size ATX class board with full allotment of sockets , M.2 sockets , etc. missing 32 lanes ( 48 - 16) is a huge gap .... even for arm flapping with PCI-e switches.


[doublepost=1493287146][/doublepost]And Intel just quietly launched Xeon Platinum (8000 series)and Gold (5000 and 6000 series) Xeons up to 28 cores.
Another naming nightmare.

Naming is as much of a problem as opposed to really opaque rational assigned to the numbering scheme. 'Gold' and 'Platinum' are a bit of a dual edge sword when competitor is trying to beat you on value pricing. On one hand only going to reinforce that paying high scale pricing. On other hand most of the customers already know they are paying high prices ( if performance is better than would be worth it. ).

However, hopefully, the workstation class grouping isn't named something goofy like "Xeon Silver".


And not just naming.
SKL but socket R3 2011-3? WTF?! Guess not, other info points to new sockets.
This is insane...

It isn't insane. Leaked Intel slide decks have been pointing to 2011-3 being split into two new sockets for a couple years now. It has been mentioned in this subforum probably at least a dozen times.

The split is to 2066 and to LGA 3647. One is a move from 40 PCI-e lanes to 48 (general purpose) lanes. The other is a bigger bump to interconnect that makes more sense inside of data centers and bigger NUMA systems ( Intel's OmniPath ...hooking together processor packages and 10GbE like networking being baked in ... like Sparc and Power have done for at least an iteration now. )

What about the previously mentioned 32 core that had the former naming? E5-2699 v5 that is.
Xeon Silver and Bronze series seem to be SKL-X (3000 and 4000 series).

32 - 28 = 4. Take out one 'reserve' core from each of the 4 internal core clusters and you get???

Here is the HCC die lay out for v4 ( 4 "core" columns of 7 cores )

v4_24coresHCC_575px.png


http://www.anandtech.com/show/10158/the-intel-xeon-e5-v4-review/2


if XCC v5 went with 4 columns with a stack height of 8 then the max cores would be 32. Deactivating one in each column leads to 28 ( can still use a balanced set if have one defective one. Or just back to same thermal as v4. ) [ perhaps with each column of 8 having their own loop ring and two more inter-ring buffers so that each of 4 rings hooked together. And each ring hooked to a memory channel. ]


V4 dropped 2 out to nominally give 22 (from same article . "... The fact that only 22 of those 24 cores are activated in the top Xeon E5 SKU is purely a product differentiation decision. ..." )
 
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Here's hoping to some tangible results. I wonder what finally rattled Apple's management to get moving.

The Exe crew getting bonus cuts - slaps on the wrist by the board to shape up or...
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Not a machine I want. I want a regular tower with an i7 and a couple of PCIe slots.

Won't happen in the Mac world...

:apple: please make me eat my hat on that one!
 
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Maybe I didn't make my point across.
There is indeed new naming for Xeons: Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze. Silver and Bronze will be indeed KBL-X and SKL-X. The rest are for multi socket.
It seemed at first that they were keeping socket R3 (my mistake of course, but the S Specs are S R3 and I took it for socket R3, as we know is LGA2011-3) but in fact it's socket R4 (LGA2066) for at least Silver and Bronze.
Platinum and Gold are server CPUs, so socket P, LGA2066.
The LCC KBL-X should be identical to the desktop i7/i5-7x00, renamed to 7x40K.Dual channel mem, 4 cores, different socket. And this must be only to maintain the socket across all HEDT options. The rest should be LGA2066 with 4 channel mem and more cores, 12 to be precise.
But this is HEDT. For the mMP Apple might go with the Gold series, or not.
Will the Gold series be socket LGA 2066 and use X299 (or C6xx) as well or will they be Purley. Or is Purley only for Platinum series 8000?
I'd think Intel would have WS CPUs still (1600 alike), so it would make sense those to be LGA 2066 as well. Platinum would be LGA 3647 for multi socket platforms. Silver and Bronze for HEDT.
If not, WS manufacturers will either have to use HEDT parts (which is odd) or higher end server parts, adding to the cost and complexity.
But who knows, all about Intel is very murky right know.
The PCH uniformity does make sense though.
 
Maybe I didn't make my point across.
There is indeed new naming for Xeons: Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze. Silver and Bronze will be indeed KBL-X and SKL-X. The rest are for multi socket.
It seemed at first that they were keeping socket R3 (my mistake of course, but the S Specs are S R3 and I took it for socket R3, as we know is LGA2011-3) but in fact it's socket R4 (LGA2066) for at least Silver and Bronze.
Platinum and Gold are server CPUs, so socket P, LGA2066.

Did you even look at the LGA 2066 wikipedia.org article I looked in. Socket P is not 2066. That doesn't even make any rational sense. The number are associated with the number of pins. Gold & Platinum all hook up to more than one sockets. So the inter-socket interconnect network demands on those are higher than that of a single socket. Therefore multiple socket solutions need more pins, no less, than a single socket solution. There are more things that need to get connected so need more connections.

SLK-W ( and therefore SLK-X, Basin Falls ) is LGA 2066. An increase over the 2011 in part because there is now more I/O. ( yes there is some 2 socket interconnect they can recycle into something else since one socket only, but other I/O growth issues present too. )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_2066

SLK-SP ( change from -EP , "Purley" ) is LGA 3647.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_3647

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2017/2017042701_Upcoming_Xeon_Gold_and_Platinum_CPUs_spotted.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11300...ld-and-xeon-platinum-cpus-for-purley-platform


Apple is not likely to use Purley for a Mac Pro. There is a significant amount of stuff built into Purley that is extremely solidly aimed at data center contexts. People's desks are in data centers.


The LCC KBL-X should be identical to the desktop i7/i5-7x00, renamed to 7x40K.Dual channel mem, 4 cores, different socket. And this must be only to maintain the socket across all HEDT options.

KBL-X is not LCC. It is not really the next step after SKL-X (despite desktop Kaby Lake following desktop Skylake). At least not in the terms typically used in classic Xeon -EP contexts. The LCC was the range covered by the Xeon E5 16xx series. What KBL-X is more akin in Xeon terms to what has been the E3 12xx series. It isn't LCC at all. It is straight up the baseline design from desktop/laptop product line. Period. That isn't "low core count". There is extremely likely a disconnected iGPU on the die.

It would clean up tons of crap and confusion though if the KBL-X actually did end their HEDT line up ( Core i7 yxxxK and that Intel puts SKL-X into some other category ( maybe core i9 , core W , or something different, because it is different) . It is kind of goofy there are two radically diffient dies in the Core i7 label. I just generates tons of confusing, junk discussions on forums and with customers. )


The rest should be LGA2066 with 4 channel mem and more cores, 12 to be precise.
But this is HEDT. For the mMP Apple might go with the Gold series, or not.

If "Core i7 .... " is part of the HEDT then, as above, it is past time for a new definition.


Will the Gold series be socket LGA 2066 and use X299 (or C6xx) as well or will they be Purley. Or is Purley only for Platinum series 8000?

Gold and Platinum are Purley. They have been Purley for years. Purley was always >= 2 sockets. Since 2015 era roadmaps:

intel-kdm-roadmap-1-100615948-large.idge.jpg

http://www.itworld.com/article/2985214/hardware/intels-xeon-roadmap-for-2016-leaks.html

One socket workstation has been consistently been carved out as a separate 'swim lane' for years now.
Two different code names for two different product lines.



I'd think Intel would have WS CPUs still (1600 alike), so it would make sense those to be LGA 2066 as well. Platinum would be LGA 3647 for multi socket platforms. Silver and Bronze for HEDT.

As well? There isn't any else in 2066 but the -W ( workstation and borrowed top end overclocking -X ) line up. It is a one socket only design.


If not, WS manufacturers will either have to use HEDT parts (which is odd)

It isn't odd. They have been doing it for almost a decade now. What was actually more odd is that Intel was partially coupling the Servers to HEDT chipsets . That is what was odd. The C6xx series has traditionally had multiple entries. ( low end and then higher with more SATA and RAID goodies) , but why does a server need 6-8 USB sockets? They don't except for extremely weird corner cases.

The -E/-EP chispets being on a server schedule ( once per socket design) as opposed to the more modern desktop/laptop schedule ( iterating at the same speed as the CPU packages) is partially what has inhibited the top end of the Core i7 product line keeping in step with he rest of the line up. Decoupling off workstations and hooking up to a minor variation of the laptop/desktop PCHs should allow Intel to revise the single socket workstation designs as a pace closer to that of the mainstream desktop line up. With Ryzen 5-7 that is an even more pressing issue for Intel. They don't fully over the SKL-X line up but there is some overlap at the bottom end. ( KBL-X is even more overlap that is a stop gap until Intel can pick up the pace. )


or higher end server parts, adding to the cost and complexity.
But who knows, all about Intel is very murky right know.
The PCH uniformity does make sense though.


PCH uniformity aimed an single user systems makes sense. Same on the data center (multiple remote users ) uniformity also makes sense.

Intel isn't all that murky. There seems to be folks who want to make it murky. Want Apple to pick Purley for Mac pro for some reason that has problems in the big picture. That mismatch is what creates the murky. Similar folks always seem to make the difference between Core i7 x9xxK and i7 x7xxK murky for no good reason also.
 
Did you even read my post? If you did you'd realize I made a mistake. Just before I mentioned socket R4 as 2066, so socket P right after it couldn't be 2066 again, could it? 3647 would have been correct, and I'd assume you'd have understood that. And no, I didn't read Wiki, don't have to, don't need to.
And also like I said, KBL-X is likely the same as desktop, mentioning LCC wasn't in fact referring to the traditional Xeon setup but core count only. If I said it was a desktop variant (of sorts) it couldn't be Xeon, right? Save for E3, sort of.

Confusion was what I was meaning, right?
And the -W might not be -W anymore, or -X for that matter. If they renamed all series will those names disappear?

I know about Purley and what it targets. If you go back (even to other closed threads) I believe I first posted that roadmap from Intel some years back.
You don't think Intel has some issues with a clear definition of product naming and segmentation? Well, to me this doesn't seem clear at all, not for now at least. Maybe with some more details it will make sense, but I doubt it. They keep changing things for whatever reason, and not always for better. Now not even the numbering seems (again, for now, maybe later will) to make any sense, can't tell which are faster or whatnot.
 
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