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i wonder why he doesn't become apple certified?

Unless you buy 50 macs a year, the ACMT cert is not very useful.

If you buy 50+ macs a year, you can order replacement parts (logic boards, fans, etc) from Apple by having the ACMT cert.

And frankly, as Mac's become harder and harder to work on (more parts soldered), that benefit becomes less valuable.
 
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Unless you buy 50 macs a year, the ACMT cert is not very useful.

If you buy 50+ macs a year, you can order replacement parts (logic boards, fans, etc) from Apple by having the ACMT cert.

And frankly, as Mac's become harder and harder to work on (more parts soldered), that benefit becomes less valuable.

And most places don't use Macs, due to price and software selection.
 
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Sarcasm why? The high end model here was locked, but you could select the lower end and BTO anyway.
I'd guess sarcasm because an 8 core Ivy Bridge hardly qualifies as "high end", and the Radeon D700 is an underclocked version of a four or five year old consumer card.

Since Apple can't call the configurations "bad" and "worse", and can't call the 8-core "less worse" than the 6-core - best to just call them the 6-core and 8-core options.

Calling the 8-core "high end" is an abuse of the term.
 
i think he was saying that until today, you couldn't buy an 8core w/d700 unless via BTO.. ie- this is the only other model listed on the main sales page.. previously, it was the 4core and 6core model shown in these positions.

it's also the model that's a result of p.Schiller's "moving CPUs & GPUs down the line"... when those two move down the line, the previous 6core/D500 @ $3999 becomes the 8core/d700 @ $3999.

so there's some relevance regarding what Manuel is saying.. maybe not anything major but it's a little bit more than him just picking a random configuration and saying it's available now.


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yall too busy reading something that isn't there.
 
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So, until recently you couldn't buy it because there was no such option, and from now on you cannot buy it because it is forbidden by common sense. What's the difference ?
 
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I'd guess sarcasm because an 8 core Ivy Bridge hardly qualifies as "high end", and the Radeon D700 is an underclocked version of a four or five year old consumer card.

Since Apple can't call the configurations "bad" and "worse", and can't call the 8-core "less worse" than the 6-core - best to just call them the 6-core and 8-core options.

Calling the 8-core "high end" is an abuse of the term.

You managed to get this far in the sentence ? I stopped in "Finally".

it's 68º and sunny right now.. walking to the shop was sweet.
definitely different than the past few months.

Come on, I'm sure you can see the - probably unintended - humor here. He used the words "finally" and "high-end" for a 2013 machine - and all in one sentence !

Oh well...
 
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What about the previously mentioned 32 core that had the former naming? E5-2699 v5 that is.
Xeon Silver and Bronze series seem to be SKL-X (3000 and 4000 series).

Formal Intel briefing on their new naming scheme is out now. ( that they have to do a presentation to explain it .... well, that's an indicator it is not self explanatory . However, some of this is trying to step on AMD's expected server product which should start leaking lots more info in the next couple of weeks. )

Silver and Bronze are not SKL-X. Same Socket as Gold and Platinum. Just more affordable and/or cooler ( probably significant drops in core count and/or clock speed along with dropping of the optional 'goodies' from two classes above. ). Those two are still aimed at the E5 2xxx series ( left hand side of diagram below). The difference between E5 2xxxx , E5 4xxxx , and E7 xxxxx is being dropped. The legacy designations of -EP , -EX , and -E are being dropped too. Therefore. as the earlier roadmaps indicated. the workstation stuff is being completely forked off into a different product line. Which thankfully will probably have a better name than "bronze" . Scalable Processor , ( the new suffix classfication -SP) doesn't really make sense for 1 socket. Scale what on a single socket; singular doesn't mesh with scale (breadth).



intel_xeon_scalable_press_deck_lp_embargo_5.4.17_at_5am_pdt-page-007_575px.jpg



http://www.anandtech.com/show/11332...-skylakesp-in-bronze-silver-gold-and-platinum


The Mac Pro doesn't particularly need "entry performance" if there is a single socket. Bronze is likely approximately the same 6-10 core range that the E5 2603 - 2630 v4 run now. Still a 'low core count' die just packaged for 2+ sockets. ( The old E5 2400 series trimmed off PCI-e lanes and/or clock speed to hit lower prices. Bronze/Silver are probably along those lines. Intel knows that Gold/Platinum are priced on the high side. If someone just needs a "scale out" Hadoop cluster ... there isn't high enough bang-for-buck so need Silver/Bronze. Still not in High end Workstation zone. )


It is likely that the Dell 7000 series ( and HP's "biggest box" Z800 ) will come with a BTO option with a single bronze. ( An equivalent of a E5 2603 v4 like they do now. ). I highly doubt the Mac Pro is going to do that even if flip back to deskside design. Even the 2006-2012 design wasn't shooting for that kind of internal volume. Dell's ( and HP's , etc. ) next class lower implementations are likely going to be SKL-W ( not -SP ); e.g. Dell 5000 series. That is about where Apple is. At best the old 2006-2012 models tried to straddle the gap between the 5000's and 7000's. Now that gap is wider in implementation it would likely just the same way the 5000 will likely break.
 
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Well, some light has been shed.
No word on when SKL-W will be out, and that's what really matters here.

On another note, Imagination is ditching MIPS. Wouldn't it be nice to see a proper desktop comeback?
 
Meanwhile..back in the Apple conference room with many senior staff.

Person A: what do you think? How could we improve the mac pro?

Person b: dunno. Lets talk about it 6 months later.


(2018)
Tim cook: so what happened to mac pro update?

Person a: we are still discussing about it.
 
Diane Bryant's taking a leave of absence.
It seems she's not coming back to DCG, I wonder if this change has anything to do with that. Probably not, but maybe she doesn't like the new naming.
[doublepost=1493933036][/doublepost]Linux driver patch unveils Vega core config similar to Fiji. Confirms some leaks.
 
https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/3/29/apple-is-pushing-ipad-like-never-before

Interesting article which was shared in the comments section of the iPad sales news today.

Brings up some valid points, this is not a fun time to be a Mac owner that is for sure.

Shooting in the dark, IMO.

Sure Apple wants to improve iPad sales since they're in continual decline and iPad Pro brings in more revenue, helping to cover those lower sales. But Mac is still strong and revenue grew stronger than sales, which means folks were buying those "PoS" Touch Bar MacBook Pros. :)

Plenty of room for both in Apple's future.
 
Apparently Apple had early feedback that the 6,1 was weak, so they knew they had a potential disaster from the start. With so much invested in the manufacturing plant, nobody dared admit the mistake and write the investment down. Hubris kept the company from figuring out how to save the puppy somehow and/or come up with an earlier replacement. This is a very European failure: Hang the enterprise; save the face of some corporate bigwig too important to overrule.

It seems that new Apple products tend to lead to a scramble for the outgoing models instead of the new ones. Myself: the 6,1 made me get a 5,1...Repeating the mistake is not the way to fix this. They should rush an interim solution to market rather than take their time. Pride hath no other glass…


Getting caught up on this thread ... apologies for the delayed comment.

Nevertheless, I watched (most) of the above video and something out of left field struck me:

... to what degree was the 2013 Mac Pro's manufacturing facility really intended for something else?

Case in point - - a lot of that marketing video was spent on showing manufacturing processes that are NOT traditionally found in computer (or smartphone) fabrication...

... so to what degree might the US factory for fabbing Mac Pros really Apple doing a small scale piloting of how to run their own fabrication & assembly plant - - - with minimized touch labor - - - for making something *other* than a Mac or iPhone? Say, an automobile?

Now if there only was an announcement this past week, of, say, an intent to make a $1B investment in domestic manufacturing (+jobs)...does anyone really think that $1B would be way too much money for merely a Mac fab line?

-hh
 
https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/3/29/apple-is-pushing-ipad-like-never-before

Interesting article which was shared in the comments section of the iPad sales news today.

Brings up some valid points, this is not a fun time to be a Mac owner that is for sure.
Sales Sales Sales, who ares about sales? Apple shouldn't be about sales, it should be about delivering the best product they can make.

The way I think this should all move forward is recognizing that the iPad and the Mac don't have to be at opposing sides, and working to make them co-exist. Integrating the iPad and Mac together would sell each other, for example: being able to control one or the other from the opposite device, being able to use the iPad to draw, sign, whatever on the Mac.

One should be able to remotely control one another intuitively, move files and such. Apple apparently has lost sight of this drinking the "post PC" kool-aid. The sad thing is that Apple is in the best position to set up something like this, it's something that we likely wouldn't see out of any other company.

"One sells the other" was the mantra of the iPod, it should be the mantra of the iPad.
 
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Getting caught up on this thread ... apologies for the delayed comment.

Nevertheless, I watched (most) of the above video and something out of left field struck me:

... to what degree was the 2013 Mac Pro's manufacturing facility really intended for something else?

There is very little in the video that supports the conclusion that all of those steps happen in one building under one roof. Or that was the same contractor in all the shots.

The major unstated theme in the video was that these are USA folks. Not some Chinese chop shop. That is why they are showing the people. The context is early 2013 and the "country is doomed" has been very much in play in some major political circles ( as somewhat still is ).

The final assembly shop if recall correctly was originally built to do contractor work for Dell ( and others). I'm not It had already existed long before the Mac Pro rolled out.

https://www.macrumors.com/2013/10/1...neration-desktop-computer-likely-new-mac-pro/

[ odd the link to the Austin statemans article is broken. This is another story after secrecy lifted.

"... Flextronics noted it already employed about 2,500 people at its various Austin facilities and, according to building permits, has spent well north of $50 million to renovate and upgrade its Northwest Austin factory, in part for the new Mac Pro production lines. ... "
http://www.statesman.com/business/a...-built-austin/uUYYpTFj3rwrbKHi29J9sL/amp.html ]

I'm not sure at all why someone would hire Flextronics to do metal stamping at all. As much as the video rants on Apple for a goofy Mac Pro, painting in same building as making logic boards is just about as goofy.


... so to what degree might the US factory for fabbing Mac Pros really Apple doing a small scale piloting of how to run their own fabrication & assembly plant - - - with minimized touch labor - - - for making something *other* than a Mac or iPhone? Say, an automobile?

Errr, no. Major components of automobiles are shipped to final assembly plants. Yeah there are huge paint shops , but major electronics are not made there. Engines and other major body parts typically are not either. It isn't Apple doing the work. If they wanted a car they hire one of the car specialist contractors, Flextronics.


The specialized jigs and assembly tables for the Mac Pro were special to that Flextronics plant, but Flextronics probably could "retool" that building into other stuff over time. Or even share another space with another production line as the number of MP assembly tables went down.


Now if there only was an announcement this past week, of, say, an intent to make a $1B investment in domestic manufacturing (+jobs)...does anyone really think that $1B would be way too much money for merely a Mac fab line?

-hh

When Apple was using Samsung for fabs the chips were made in Austin and then the final package assembly might have been done elsewhere. Taiwan/China/SoutEast Asia. There are those kind of manufacturing jobs too. Not just grinding metal. The is electronic device "tool and die" in addition to mechanical device 'tool and die' that Apple could be investing in that could soak up a healthy chunk of the $1B. When Apple complains there are no tool & die folks in the USA it really isn't old school, mainstream tool and die.


[ Honestly seems like Apple could do some additive manufacturing on some of these Mac cases.... instead of all this grinding away at blocks. ]


Apple has other stuff to make. Headphones. Maybe an Alexa clone.


When AT&T was flush with money they funded Bell Labs ... which did several really revolutionary basic science breakthru things (i.e., Nobel Prize winners...... not invites to the NY Museum of Modern Art. ) Apple sits on almost 1/4 of Trillion dollars and relatively does not very much at all. They have no dedicated long term, basic research lab (as opposed to MS Research or Xerox PARC back in the day.) . They are soooo busy being Scrooge McDuck that long-term infrastructure is killed off.
 
For the video:

2013 Mac Pro specs were floating around. I got my hands on them a few months before announcement, shared them with a few people here privately.

I gave the exact same "No GPUs WTF" feedback, and heard back that Apple was getting bad feedback, but that the cards were supposed to be upgradable.
 
Case in point - - a lot of that marketing video was spent on showing manufacturing processes that are NOT traditionally found in computer (or smartphone) fabrication...

They showed the product only to Yes-men before investing a ton on a plant to manufacture exquisitely formed cylinders, then kept a tight lid on leaks until launch day. The market response was disdain. Ah, the downside of secrecy!

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it” — George Santayana.
 
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