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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

Wow, already? Perhaps why they didn't release an updated machine last year; AMD weren't doing a prolonged production run?
 
I am not less astounded by this information as you are. It is quite huge surprise, but according to people from retail: there will not be anymore shipments of Fiji series.

The GPU went from production either yesterday or last friday.

Actually, it makes a lot of sense if you think about it. Who would be interested in buying 28 nm GPU with a high power consumption, where you have new GPU with new technology but weaker and cheaper? It is 596mm2 die, with interposer and HBM which drives the production costs up.
 
filmak said:
Why not? If AMD rebrand them and they 're cost effective for Apple, they'll buy them and give them a new "super" name suitable for the new super priced MP.
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Fiji is out of production. There will be no more Fiji based GPUs produced.

You get the context now? ;)
 
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koyoot said:
Fiji is out of production. There will be no more Fiji based GPUs produced.

You get the context now? ;)
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Thank you Koyoot, I got it.
My point was that Apple has no problem to use older tech in their products, as you know.
I think that you/we 're very optimistic about Apple's wiiling to use the latest and greatest GPUs, this has never happened.
AMD may have stopped the production but, if you think about the fury/fiji rumours for the new MP(device ID etc), and the possibility that Apple may have already ordered these fiji custom boards, it's not so impossible, imho.

;):
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MacOS 10.12 brings Fiji acceleration support finally
One can get working acceleration (and finally a full working driver) on amd Fiji cards (R9 Fury/X/Nano)
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koyoot said:
Hmm I actually like this information :D.
Pretty huge amount of compute power. Edit: I think the Nano can work now because the deviceID of Fury is specifically designed/tailored for nMP framebuffer.
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filmak said:
Thank you Koyoot, I got it.
My point was that Apple has no problem to use older tech in their products, as you know.
I think that you/we 're very optimistic about Apple's wiiling to use the latest and greatest GPUs, this has never happened.
AMD may have stopped the production but, if you think about the fury rumours for the new MP(device ID etc), and the possibility that Apple may have already ordered these fiji custom boards, it's not so impossible, imho.

;):
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AMD stopped production of Fiji GPUs. That means they do not accept more orders for them, they also don't have any custom orders for them. There is not enough stock of those GPUs to be sold anywhere close to use in Mac Pro. Remember if Apple would want Fiji, AMD would have to produce two of GPUs for each Mac Pro, regardless if it would be Fiji XT or Pro, or in any other way, shape or form of Fiji ASIC.

AMD does not produce the GPU anymore.
 
So far everything points to Vega/Polaris lineup for Mac Pro. Dual Polaris 10, and dual Vega, whatever it is, is IMO closest to reality.

Lets name the GPUs for the purpose of speculation: FirePro G300, G500 and G700. G300 based on Polaris 10 with 4 GB of VRAM, G500 based on Vega 10 with 3584 GCN cores and 6 GB of HBM2, G700 with 4096 GCN cores and 8 GB of HBM2.

If that is the case, sign me up for dual G500 setup.

P.S. I changed my prediction, to smaller amounts of RAM on GPUs because of... Apple's unwillingness to pay more and give more ;).
 
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koyoot said:
That means they do not accept more orders for them, they also don't have any custom orders for them.
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I'm very impressed from the level of the informations you have from inside.:)

I really hope that you 're right and we will get what we wish, and that Apple will not surprise us, as they're used to do, with the GPUs.
 
still impressed.:)
[doublepost=1466523772][/doublepost]What a pleasure would be to have two new models one with 6,1 form and one in 5,1.
Everybody would be satisfied.
Oh... it's just wishful thinking I know...
[doublepost=1466523874][/doublepost]a 5,1 with TB3 and internal PCIe slots... a dream.
 
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filmak said:
Anyway these all are just speculations.:)

We hope for the better, we 're prepared for the...unfortunate (not worst in this case).
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It is speculation, but I get that happy moment when something comes up...even if it's speculation.
 
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koyoot said:
AMD stopped production of Fiji GPUs. That means they do not accept more orders for them, they also don't have any custom orders for them. There is not enough stock of those GPUs to be sold anywhere close to use in Mac Pro. Remember if Apple would want Fiji, AMD would have to produce two of GPUs for each Mac Pro, regardless if it would be Fiji XT or Pro, or in any other way, shape or form of Fiji ASIC.

AMD does not produce the GPU anymore.
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We have no idea how many of the Fiji chips (or wafers) are in ATI's inventory.

There could easily be enough for a multi-year run of an extremely low volume system like the nnMP - especially if there's a plan to do a mid-cycle upgrade to Vega chips.
 
AidenShaw said:
We have no idea how many of the Fiji chips (or wafers) are in ATI's inventory.

There could easily be enough for a multi-year run of an extremely low volume system like the nnMP - especially if there's a plan to do a mid-cycle upgrade to Vega chips.
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You really think that AMD stacked more than 500 000 chips that are worth 400 dollars each? You are more than optimistic. Nobody would be crazy enough to do it.

Mac Pro is not that low volume as you think.
 
Boards for D300, D500 and D700 are assembled in Mac Pro factory in USA. GPU dies are still produced. It is easier and cheaper to build 350mm2 GPU die than 596 that also need already interposer and HBM ;).

I think that FirePro based on Tahiti is still produced in low-volume. But that would have to be confirmed.
 
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Did I missed something in this forum?
According to MVC rumor looked like nvidia egpu got debunked or something

Now we had fury working...

Now we got Fiji not selling anymore.
(What does that got to with Mac Pro 2.0?.. I have no idea)

Anway, how did vega and Polaris become the next egpu? I know nothing is set in stone...yet. Is it become of release date or something?
 
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-rising.1979012/

AidenShaw said:
...based on what information?

Apple has been very tight-lipped, and unless you're tapped into the numbers for AMD's shipments of desktop Radeons to Apple that's just a guess and a hope.
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Based on the sales of Apple computers. Apple has 3 desktop computers. Over 80% of whole Apple sales of computers are laptops. Apple says that they sell around 20 mln. computers annually. So it is 4 mln of desktop computers per year.

Is 100 000 units that big number considering this big picture? Also, biggest impact on sales of Mac Pro was in first year of new Mac Pro sales, in 2013. Similar spike of sales you(Apple) will see when they will update the brand with new model.

P.S. To all interested in technology:
 
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koyoot said:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/mac-pro-rising.1979012/

Based on the sales of Apple computers. Apple has 3 desktop computers. Over 80% of whole Apple sales of computers are laptops. Apple says that they sell around 20 mln. computers annually. So it is 4 mln of desktop computers per year.

Is 100 000 units that big number considering this big picture? Also, biggest impact on sales of Mac Pro was in first year of new Mac Pro sales, in 2013. Similar spike of sales you(Apple) will see when they will update the brand with new model.

P.S. To all interested in technology:
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Thanks for link ..I see
 
The Koyot/DarkNet guy Mac Pro:

CPU Xeon E5-2697A 16c / E5-2650 12c/ E5-1650v4 6c

GPU Polaris XT 4GB GDDR5X as G300 /Vega 10 6GB HBM2 as G500 /Vega 10 8GB HBM2 as G700 |
6/8/10 TFlop fp32 | 0.5/2/3.3Tflop FP64

Thunderbolt 3 x4
USB-C 3.1 x 6 (DP1.4)

PSU 550W

2xNVMe on PCIe2x4, same design/connector as current MP. (actually 2xNVMe on PIe2 are faster than a single NVMe onPCIe3 x4)

TDP Total Below 500W

I think, Apple will Offer Polaris Pro/XT as G300/G500 on 4GB GDDR5 and 8GB GDDR5X, and later will add AMD Vega with 8/16 GB HBM2 as G700.
 
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