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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Gone reallllllllll bad. No Mickey Mouse in the office. It's time to bring back that real Mac.
At keynote
"Ladies and gentlemen...I bring you new classic Mac with grated design."
"All you can upgrade buffet"
And one more thing:
A video of Tim crying as he got fired
"Now our stock went up 1000 percent"
How about we bring back Walt and then we can all stand together and sing When You Wish Upon A Star
Betting on him going is like betting on the nMP
Maybe we're too harsh on Tim. Let's first fire Phil and Jony and Craig and Angela and Eddy and Luca and Dan and Bruce and Johny and Jeff - and give Tim six months to get some real innovators in place.
And especially Dan - fire him twice.
On real talk: who do you say is responsible for Mac design and solders and unupgradeable Mac Pro? You think it's Tim solely? Or that svp of hardware?
All of them. Every exec staff meeting at Apple starts with chanting "how can we increase our margins and screw our remaining customers". Things don't happen in isolation.
Reminds me of the 7 dwarves from Snow White except they rather destroy Snow White .
And I see Steve's ghostly image in the mirror, saying "You are, Tim. Keep making toys. Have you considered Rose Gold power bricks and cables?".
This is probably the reason they brought back RAID Assistant in macOS Sierra. (but no disk utility function though, so one except a terminal master can not really raid their drives from the initial installation of the OS)
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Nah. Are you sure using anodized aluminum as the casing for power bricks is a good idea?
Okay, I must admit the current glossy white plastic design is pretty timeless (yo-yo charger go away!).
I feel the next TBD w/o eGPU will be a 4K/21"unit and maybe not even TB3 at all but USB-C.
I don't believe John Paczkowski this time. even the Best should be a 5K/TB3 w/o eGPU, I don't believe neither will see tdaylight.
[doublepost=1466824261][/doublepost]The major inconvenient of an 5K (or even 4K) Thunderbolt Display with integrated eGPU is that it wont work along an iMac, it could be useful for macbooks or mac mini, but not for iMac since the eGPU disables the internal GPU, no sense to sell a 2nd Display that disables your integrated display, further very limited market.
I don't believe John Paczkowski this time. even the Best should be a 5K/TB3 w/o eGPU, I don't believe neither will see tdaylight.
[doublepost=1466824261][/doublepost]The major inconvenient of an 5K (or even 4K) Thunderbolt Display with integrated eGPU is that it wont work along an iMac, it could be useful for macbooks or mac mini, but not for iMac since the eGPU disables the internal GPU, no sense to sell a 2nd Display that disables your integrated display, further very limited market.
Oh come on, its not hard.
Its 3 real steps: http://knowledge.lacie.com/pkb_ArticleView?id=kA030000000iKoI
I mean look at that, step 1 open terminal, step 4 is decide what RAID level you want and step 6 is "IT'S DONE!"
Expensive - because it could be. Then again, who else is doing thunderbolt dock monitors with cameras etc, are they that much cheaper? Drop the price floor of the old screen which you don't *need* to sell lots of, and when you introduce the new one, perception is of a price rise - "Apple's new 27" display costs x% more than their old one" with the tech advances rendered to fine print. This way, they can effectively quadruple the resolution, for the same price. "More for the same", not "The same for less" is the way they like to position themselves.
The out of date part is easy - everything hangs on TB3, and they haven't got a computer that can drive it yet. Dual plug DP simply isn't 100% reliable turnkey yet, so that isn't an option for a packaged Apple product.
The timing is pretty much what you'd expect - the confluence of Retina 27" iMac panel volumes reaching an inflection point at which Apple can use excess capacity to make standalone displays, TB3 and 5k capable low end GPUs necessary to drive it becoming mainstream, and the non-retina 27" iMac having been discontinued long enough to exhaust the panel stock, and make volumes of non-retina panels so low that it's probably cheaper for them to make the retina display now.
Forget FIJI on Mac Pro, Netkas what did was to force FUJI support thru Polaris Compatible drivers, the same its possible on Polaris 10, further macOS siera (a previous netkas finding) includes Polaris 10 Framebuffer support, further again this driver check you are running on a Mac Pro 6,1 at least.
It Means Apple actually working on MP6,1+ Polaris GPU (and Polaris compatible) support, that includes Polaris 10, maybe even Vega, and apple double down checking those derivers are running on a MP6,1 at least (no MP5,1 neither iMac support a polaris compatible GPU or eGPU).
It Means Apple actually working on MP6,1+ Polaris GPU (and Polaris compatible) support, that includes Polaris 10, maybe even Vega, and apple double down checking those derivers are running on a MP6,1 at least (no MP5,1 neither iMac support a polaris compatible GPU or eGPU).
heh, when HP uses this type of language :
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Reimagining our most innovative workstation.
HP Z1 G3 Workstation
We’ve once again pushed the innovation bar higher with dramatic, stylish updates to HP’s Z1 Workstation All-in-One. Featuring a space-optimized, uncompromised, and fully featured design at a budget conscience price point, the HP Z1 G3 is still the world’s first and only All in One Workstation7.
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z1-g3.html
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..it seems to leave people unfazed.. if apple called an imac a 'workstation' or 'uncompromised' or 'innovative', people around here would lose their wig.. even when apple calls a MacPro a workstation or states no-compromise engineering, people freak out.
They are notorious for shaking down suppliers for killer deals. The goal is not to pass those deals onto loyal Mac users but to jack profit margins to obscene levels.
I was cool with Apple's profit margins back when they actually innovated, back in the days of rock-solid OS X, when the Mac Pro's core count multiplied like bunnies and new video cards were introduced every year or two. Even their phones were works of art. Those same profit margins grate a bit when I see a stagnant Mac lineup and even the new iPhone models are bereft of new features. How is it that the most profitable tech company in the world cannot keep their desktop computer lineup current or even bother to offer a tower workstation for serious users?
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heh, when HP uses this type of language :
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Reimagining our most innovative workstation.
HP Z1 G3 Workstation
We’ve once again pushed the innovation bar higher with dramatic, stylish updates to HP’s Z1 Workstation All-in-One. Featuring a space-optimized, uncompromised, and fully featured design at a budget conscience price point, the HP Z1 G3 is still the world’s first and only All in One Workstation7.
http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z1-g3.html
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..it seems to leave people unfazed.. if apple called an imac a 'workstation' or 'uncompromised' or 'innovative', people around here would lose their wig.. even when apple calls a MacPro a workstation or states no-compromise engineering, people freak out.
That's because HP also offers real workstation towers. The Z1 G3 is just another option. Apple would EOL the tube and then force the iMac "Pro" on users as the next great thing..."can't innovate my ass!"
that's what i said..
it's ok for HP to use this type of language but if apple does it, it's not ok.
..and you'll find ways to justify it in your head. (while completely failing to recognize HP is pointblank copying apple's marketing style)
for clarity/perspective, what does it mean to be a serious user? what can you do on 5,1 that you can't on 6,1?
since i no longer use a tower workstation, does that mean i'm not a serious user?
Ummmm....no. It has nothing to do with semantics. My point is that HP offers the AIO workstation but also offers tower workstations. HP do not FORCE their users to accept the AIO option as the only workstation.
If Apple offered an iMac "Pro", then people here would be upset because Apple would dump it on loyal Mac users without also offering an standalone tower workstation alternative.
As much as I don't like the lack of updates, I wonder what people here would do if they were in charge of such a large corporation as Apple. Shareholders (some of which might even post here, who knows?) demand that the company makes money, not that it keeps releasing models with the latest hardware available. Maybe, just maybe, yearly complete lineup refreshes isn't in the shareholders best interest, or is it? Some will say that because of the lack of updated specs Apple looses sales, but is it really like that? Better yet, the sales lost will outpace the new orders income if new models keep coming up? Doubt it very much. Apple buyers want stability, and new models every now and then doesn't really play that game, and support for a wide range of products can become a nightmare.
Let it be clear that I'm not defending Apple or anything, but I can understand if this is their vision of things, which might not be really, just me wondering.
OK, I'm ready for the counter strike...
And please keep the discussion on topic or we'll have another closed thread.
RX480 coming up to stores even in the Us in large quantities, availability seems good.
Some lucky guys might get one of those babies before the 29th?
I guess Apple must have samples for some time to test.
If Polaris does come to the nMP than we'll again have no ECC mem. With Vega only probably.
Let it be clear that I'm not defending Apple or anything, but I can understand if this is their vision of things, which might not be really, just me wondering.
OK, I'm ready for the counter strike...
And please keep the discussion on topic or we'll have another closed thread.
RX480 coming up to stores even in the Us in large quantities, availability seems good.
Some lucky guys might get one of those babies before the 29th?
I guess Apple must have samples for some time to test.
If Polaris does come to the nMP than we'll again have no ECC mem. With Vega only probably.