At least emojis are here to stay.
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So we would like to place an order for some of them reminding the vanishing Macintoshes....
Airport Express
Time capsule
They should have created an Apple TV that can act as an iTunes Server and let us mark movies for offline storage.
This could have been a combined HomeKit / Backup device. But no ... nothing is happening.
Even the ATV4 could be considered "obsolete" considering what Apple could have done.
... and the current Siri Remote is a bad joke in my opinion.
They're not all ancient, they have invented a new magic mouse with innovative charging port placement .
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Considering the other thread about Mac Pro I have couple of thoughts:
Base model: 4 core Broadwell-EP CPU, 16 GB of RAM 2400 MHz, 512 GB of SSD, SINGLE Fire Pro G500 based on Fiji arch with 3584 GCN cores.
Second tier model: 6 core Broadwell-EP CPU, 16 GB of RAM, 512 GB of SSD, Dual Fire Pro G500.
Pricing. Now where it gets interesting. Base model starts at 1999$ and second tier model starts at 2999$. Fair for customers. Of course, both models are able to be customized with up to 18 cores, 256 GB of RAM, 2 TB SSD, and top model of Dual full Fiji FirePro G700 GPUs.
Base model: 4 core Broadwell-EP CPU, 16 GB of RAM 2400 MHz, 512 GB of SSD, SINGLE Fire Pro G500 based on Fiji arch with 3584 GCN cores.
Second tier model: 6 core Broadwell-EP CPU, 16 GB of RAM, 512 GB of SSD, Dual Fire Pro G500.
Pricing. Now where it gets interesting. Base model starts at 1999$ and second tier model starts at 2999$. Fair for customers. Of course, both models are able to be customized with up to 18 cores, 256 GB of RAM, 2 TB SSD, and top model of Dual full Fiji FirePro G700 GPUs.
Pricing.
Apple will not offer CPU that cost way too much
. Of course, nothing stops consumers from swapping CPUs by themselves.
The 22-core is only $1400 more than the 18-core, the 20-core is only $800 more. That's not that much considering the cost of a maxed out MP6,1.
The 256 GiB RAM is $3300 at Crucial ( http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-DDR4?cm_re=top-nav-_-flyout-memory-_-us-memory-shop-for-ddr4 ), who know what Apple would charge. (Apple charges $1300 to upgrade the MP6,1 from 12 GiB to 64 GiB. Crucial sells 64 GiB for $408.)
The 256 GiB RAM is $3300 at Crucial ( http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-DDR4?cm_re=top-nav-_-flyout-memory-_-us-memory-shop-for-ddr4 ), who know what Apple would charge. (Apple charges $1300 to upgrade the MP6,1 from 12 GiB to 64 GiB. Crucial sells 64 GiB for $408.)
In theory, yes, you are correct. But look at CPU prices, and how Apple priced them . 12 core, 2600$ CPU, cost 3500$ addition OVER standard 4 core CPU.
How big addition would be over 4K$ CPU? 5000$ over base 4 core CPU? .
. 12 core, 2600$ CPU, cost 3500$ addition OVER standard 4 core CPU.How big addition would be over 4K$ CPU?
5000$ over base 4 core CPU? .That is different question.
Tim Cook at sept keynote: "thank you, thank you...today I got something great for you. We got iPhone for you ...and yeah....oh and more thing"
People whooing
"A video of me, Eddie cue, and Craig having fun at water park"
Audience are silent...they get pitchfork and flamethrower ready.
People whooing
"A video of me, Eddie cue, and Craig having fun at water park"
Audience are silent...they get pitchfork and flamethrower ready.
I can't help but wonder how serious Apple was when they said that they thought the iPadPro could replace the workstation in the future.
As for the MacPro, if they were going to cancel it, I would think that they wouldn't announce it until inventory was really down or they would be stuck with whatever inventory was left.
It's been rumored that the Macbook Air may be on it's last legs and it's really still here as a lower cost entry model. Interesting that both Pro models are stalled. Is it possible that Apple might be thinking of going completely consumer orientated (especially if the MacPro numbers might not be high enough)?
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Maybe they will come out with a set of business emojis and call it emojiPro.At least emojis are here to stay.
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If they announced that the MacPro is dead, would you want to buy one?
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The amount that Apple would want to charge at that point would be almost as much as the computer itself!
Why? till yesterday we didn't know anything about the display, and it was almost 6 years old, not 3 as the MP.
If they have already decided about it, they 're simply waiting for a good day.
No, most likely Apple prepares completely revised whole lineup of computers, beginning with Macbook Pro, through Mac Mini, Mac Pro, Macbook, and ending on iMac.
I recently bought three ProLiants with 72 physical cores and 1 TiB of RAM.
The RAM was more than 50% of the total price.
Yes, they are bring out something new.
New Watch displays.
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/24/apple-watch-micro-led-mid-2017-later/
The nMP was something new, was it a step forward for all of us?
So what will be this new lineup? better or worst?
They may introduce a single line for portables, without the word Pro, only Macbook, like the old Powerbooks.
All the models will be slimmer (aren't they slim enough?) so there is no need for Air line, except if they want to keep it for a cheaper alternative.
The Macbook Pros (in reality there isn't anything near pro about them, think of integrated GPUs, glued batteries, soldered RAM and not upgradable, only 2 core CPU into the 13"etc) as they get slimmer they 'll have less and less ports and less functionality, if this trend towards slimmer continue. Slim is good, but not pro, pro needs features and expansion and unfortunately the good looking alum. case and the retina display are not always enough.
For the Mac Pro the options may be: a. it may be updated, b. take the TBD route, c. be "replaced" by an iMac Pro.
The Apples route toward consumer devices (all the fuss nowadays is only about iThings, iOS, and this watch), the WWDC keynote showed clearly this, is very worrisome for us the traditional Mac users, as we can't see any positive signs from Apple so we can hope for something better than an iPad Pro workstation, as they have already said so.
Once upon a time the only limiting factor to choose and buy an Apple desktop system / workstation was the economic limits, there were plenty of models and choices, now where are they? were are the choices? is the old and disposable nMP a choice today? the sealed iMac? the glued and old MacBooks?
So what do you think? What are really our expectations for this revised line, will it be better? or for once again crippled?
We really hope for the better...
If Apple ever considered a Fiji based GPU for the Mac Pro the Update could be happen even earlier than WWDC even w/o Broadwell CPU and with TB3 as only novelty besides Fji GPUs.
I think Apple is waiting for a meaningful update, in a Polaris Context fill the Mac Pro with Fiji (barely faster but exceding MP TDP) is a Non-sense even for Apple.
I Think Apple will launch a MP along a sound Macbook Pro / iMac TB3 Party launch, or at a separate event along the updated Mac Mini (nano), and at least at launch it Will Offer Polaris GPUs Only, adding later Vega as option as it becomes available.
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It would probably be whatever is available at discounted price and that's that with Apple.
At their release time, those CPUs had the same price. The nMP was at the best config one of the cheapest 12 Core Xeon PC. The fact that bring me down is no price cut in 3 years with those specs.In theory, yes, you are correct. But look at CPU prices, and how Apple priced them
How big addition would be over 4K$ CPU?
That is different question.
The wording on the TBD discontinuation announcement leads me to believe that no successor will come, unfortunately. I was really hoping to get a new 5K TB3D to go along with the new nMP.
To me, it would make sense that Apple provides at least one display to go along with the nMP and laptops, relying on external displays we've seen that it's not without issues, at least at first.
The same panels they use on the 5K iMac could be used eventually, although a DP1.3 SST HDR solution would be nice.
I'm still not convinced regarding Fiji. We know Apple prefers to use mature tech but going Polaris seems the right(er) choice. Fiji might have the compute advantage, but that could be left to Vega later on. The smaller process node, lower power draw, lower heat output make much more sense in the nMP, even if it's new tech. And I recon Apple would have it for some time in their labs testing.
[doublepost=1466796918][/doublepost]Kaby Lake seems to be getting HDR and some more HW encode/decode.
Still no DP1.3/1,4 though.
Will Apple wait for it to release rMBP?
[doublepost=1466797397][/doublepost]Socket R4 2066 for Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X, coming Q2 2017. Same PCH as Kaby Lake, 200 series.
Should be he same socket and PCH for Skylake-W 1600 coming about the same time.
To me, it would make sense that Apple provides at least one display to go along with the nMP and laptops, relying on external displays we've seen that it's not without issues, at least at first.
The same panels they use on the 5K iMac could be used eventually, although a DP1.3 SST HDR solution would be nice.
I'm still not convinced regarding Fiji. We know Apple prefers to use mature tech but going Polaris seems the right(er) choice. Fiji might have the compute advantage, but that could be left to Vega later on. The smaller process node, lower power draw, lower heat output make much more sense in the nMP, even if it's new tech. And I recon Apple would have it for some time in their labs testing.
[doublepost=1466796918][/doublepost]Kaby Lake seems to be getting HDR and some more HW encode/decode.
Still no DP1.3/1,4 though.
Will Apple wait for it to release rMBP?
[doublepost=1466797397][/doublepost]Socket R4 2066 for Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X, coming Q2 2017. Same PCH as Kaby Lake, 200 series.
Should be he same socket and PCH for Skylake-W 1600 coming about the same time.
I could see a lineup of Polaris GPUs on the nMP like this:
G300/D310: RX470-like, 2048 cores, 4GB 7GHz GDDR5
G500/D510: RX480-like, 2304 cores, 8GB 10GHz GDDR5X
G700/D710: Vega 10 based with 3072 cores, 16GB HBM2
Makes quite a nice scaling, right?
You'd go with Vega if you need compute power, otherwise Polaris is good enough.
[doublepost=1466799080][/doublepost]They could even get the G300 to 8GHz mem and be within TDP without down clocking.
That would work for me, 2 of those babies would be enough for me and make my day really.
G300/D310: RX470-like, 2048 cores, 4GB 7GHz GDDR5
G500/D510: RX480-like, 2304 cores, 8GB 10GHz GDDR5X
G700/D710: Vega 10 based with 3072 cores, 16GB HBM2
Makes quite a nice scaling, right?
You'd go with Vega if you need compute power, otherwise Polaris is good enough.
[doublepost=1466799080][/doublepost]They could even get the G300 to 8GHz mem and be within TDP without down clocking.
That would work for me, 2 of those babies would be enough for me and make my day really.
Remember that Fiji works as an external GPU with Mac Pro?
You may now know why, considering information about Display with external GPU built inside the computer.
If you want to ask me what would be perfect Mac Pro of next gen for me: 8 core CPU 3.2 GHz, 32 GB of RAM 2400 MHz, Dual Fiji GPUs, connected with coherent fabric, acting as one big GPU, water cooling, similar form factor to current Mac Pro, more than 512 GB of SSD NVMe. The rest is not important for me. Good thing would be if the OS supported Freesync.
You may now know why, considering information about Display with external GPU built inside the computer.
If you want to ask me what would be perfect Mac Pro of next gen for me: 8 core CPU 3.2 GHz, 32 GB of RAM 2400 MHz, Dual Fiji GPUs, connected with coherent fabric, acting as one big GPU, water cooling, similar form factor to current Mac Pro, more than 512 GB of SSD NVMe. The rest is not important for me. Good thing would be if the OS supported Freesync.