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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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I don't know as it's fair to say that Apple isn't relevant. Some professions use their products because they meet their needs and some don't use them because they don't meet their needs or wants. Not being relevant would mean that people don't care about their computer offerings at all.
That's what's happening for the workstation crowd.
Selling stuff that's two or three generations old at a premium price only works if your eco-system is most of your value.
Most high end video/audio apps are multi-platform, or have a reasonable alternative on the other platform. The eco-system lost its value.
They're the group that the MP doesn't fit their needs or wants but for the average user, I guess they're happy and as long as someone is happy, Apple hasn't lost complete computer relevance.
Pretty sure that Apple's focus on their eco-system is having the ability of sharing data between iDevices and computers and not so much about what software runs on the computers (unless it's their own).
Hence the number of people saying that Apple has lost it's way.
Hope to see one of these along my MP 7,1 next year on my desk. (loaded with nVidia P100)
I wonder, if we can get such enclosures to work, whether we'll be able to drop in any EFI-ROM video card that would work in a cMP? Then at least the Tube could match the cMP on the GPU upgrade front. Even more interesting if the same methods can get a video card to work with any Apple laptop. Imagine if we could jack a Macbook into two external GPUs.
Sorry, I doubt Apple will enable every eGPU, I count on the nVidia P100 actually an eGPGPU Co-Processor not intended to display nothing shouldn't have Driver Load issues (as long nVidia releases web drivers for macOS) very useful for heavy compute requiring powerful CUDA cores.
Also given TB3 only provides 4x PCIe3 lines has little sense to hook dual GPU or even dream on an SLI setup.
I'm actually not afraid of eGPU, even in case Apple dont support eGPGPU I still have a plan B, a Remote CUDA "render farm like" scheme using TB3 as Fabric and CUDA Nsight to access CUDA GPU on an external GPGPU server.
Apple is not too far off where they were in the "Mac vs. PC" Guys advertising when they actually did active advertising for the Mac. But that was mostly about how it "just works well together" ( hardware + software , taska + systems , etc.)
Where Apple has lost traction with value proposition is that much of the "Mac vs. PC" stuff was as much about MS shooting themselves in the foot ( Vista , poor security defaults , etc. ) than it was Apple was doing something exceptional ( "not screwing up" shouldn't be in exceptional category. )
IMHO, it isn't so much that Apple's eco-system has lost value as much as the competitors aren't shooting themselves in the foot. Android ( Google ) is on track ( Apple is certainly lifting features ). It is a more diverse hardware base but that is a dual edge sword. MS is pretty much on track with Windows 7 and 10 ( ruffled some feathers with 8 perhaps to greater degree than Vista did).
i'm not sure about that.
the developers of two programs i use, one of which has been made cross platform this decade and one which has very recently been updated/rewritten in openCL, have both thanked apple for their support.
example:
"Apple have been a great help in getting Indigo's GPU rendering working on Mac, and we're looking forward to posting more GPU rendering results on the Mac Pro soon."
(this software has since been released.)
from what i gather, apple is open and willing to assist developers writing programs other than apple.apps
(WWDC for another example)
Perhaps they will also have to increase the sizes of their monitors, for 8k, to make sense?
As I see it, isn't it 5k more than enough for 27" size?
Also are current GPUs capable to drive 8k? what kind of GPU will be needed for a smooth workflow?
Of course the connection method of these 8k monitors is irrelevant as Apple is offering only built in displays now.
As I see it, isn't it 5k more than enough for 27" size?
Also are current GPUs capable to drive 8k? what kind of GPU will be needed for a smooth workflow?
Of course the connection method of these 8k monitors is irrelevant as Apple is offering only built in displays now.
I also do not think that we will see 8K on 27 inch for a long time. The 8K monitors will be bigger: 30 or 31.5 inches.
All GPUs with DP1.4 are capable of driving 60 Hz 8K resolution.
P.S. Would love to see three monitors: 21.5 inch 4K display, 27 inch 5K, and 31.5 inch with 8K.
All of this allows Apple to have enough headroom for margin in price, and still be competitive on pricing.
Edit. Nope, I have checked it. DP 1.4 allows 8K 60 at Max. 5K 120 Hz maximum refresh rate, and 4K at 144 Hz.
All GPUs with DP1.4 are capable of driving 60 Hz 8K resolution.
P.S. Would love to see three monitors: 21.5 inch 4K display, 27 inch 5K, and 31.5 inch with 8K.
All of this allows Apple to have enough headroom for margin in price, and still be competitive on pricing.
Edit. Nope, I have checked it. DP 1.4 allows 8K 60 at Max. 5K 120 Hz maximum refresh rate, and 4K at 144 Hz.
Major reseller in Poland started sale on... Mac Pro. Price went down from 13.5K PLN to 11.5K PLN. Which is about 3K USD(2875$ to be precise).
Well it might indicate something...
Edit. Nope. False alarm. Only one model is on sale(base model). Rest of available models prices are not changed.
Well it might indicate something...
Edit. Nope. False alarm. Only one model is on sale(base model). Rest of available models prices are not changed.
Of course Apple won't enable eGPU support for any GPU other than the one used in their proprietary sealed box enclosure. But the same is true of the cMP, yet an EFI-ROM enables any GPU for which OS X provides drivers. I think netkas or MVC said that some extra changes are required in the EFI to enable eGPU capability, but someone else will crack it and open source the mods before long.
If each eGPU has it's own PCIe 3 x4 lanes then that should be adequate for GPGPU tasks. Not really much bandwidth difference between that and the cMP's x16 and x8 PCIe 2 slots. It won't compel me to ditch my cMP for a Tube but at least the Tube Fanbois will finally have something to hang their hats on.
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You mean like this part ....
" ... Premiere Pro's GPU acceleration is much faster. It's not FCP X's fault, it's probably a case of graphics card drivers being much more mature on Windows than macOS. ... "
Apple is not doing what they need to do to fully realize the potential of their Mac hardware. iOS they are. So it is probably primarily a decision to allocate resources or not. The new Mac Pro design constraints mean they need to be paying more attention to detail than they have in the past; not less or equal to. if going to continue to be slackers than moving to 7,1 is just temporary triage to that slacker issue ( throw faster hardware at slower software).
Not exactly. IMO crappy software is little form of planned obsolescence. Because what most people will buy when their software is bottlenecking them? New hardware!
Really I think Apple just don't care. They have the resources to build the best hardware in the business and to bring OS X drivers to "maturity". Instead "that's good enough" seems to reign at Apple HQ. We even see this attitude at work on the iPhone and iPad. iOS is no longer rock solid, and the iPhone's camera is no longer at the top of the field. It's all just good enough to keep Apple sales reasonably good.
Only now, after his death, does it become clear why Jobs had to be such an arsehole to get things done right. It's now a confederacy of bozos at Apple with no one there to tamp down the bozo eruptions.
skylake -EP preliminary support in AIDA:
http://wccftech.com/aida64-version-...tel-kaby-lake-pascalpolaris-gpgpu-benchmarks/
– Preliminary support for Intel Cannonlake, Goldmont, Skylake-E/EN/EP/EX processors
http://wccftech.com/aida64-version-...tel-kaby-lake-pascalpolaris-gpgpu-benchmarks/
– Preliminary support for Intel Cannonlake, Goldmont, Skylake-E/EN/EP/EX processors
