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According to Kuo (ex KGI), Apple is pushing back from obsessively integrated Mac, so even next MBP will be more modular and based on STD components or at least more serviceable and not that obsessively thin (moreless like Razor's blade).

He also predicts an EASY to update Mac Pro...

Be careful, "Easy", still doesnt means Generic or STD parts, at least Apple Learned that going too against "repairable" its an double edge sword.
 
Well something is sure: It is not gonna happen this year folks...

Please read the infographic :

kuo-2019-apple-roadmap-800x458.jpg



Also note that MR didn't quote all of what he said.

Among three all-new Mac products expected to debut from Apple in 2019 are an "easy-to-upgrade" Mac Pro and a 31.6-inch Apple 6K display with high-end backlight technology, according to well-informed analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.


http://appleinsider.com/articles/19...side-316-inch-apple-mini-led-lit-6k3k-display
 
The new standalone display being a big 6K one is more interesting. 32" @ 6144x3160 would be the right pixel density for retina. But a single TB3 port can't drive it.

The latest Intel TB3 controller (Titan Ridge) supports DisplayPort 1.4 so a single cable can now support a single monitor displaying uncompressed 5K at 60fps or 8K at 30fps and 5K at 120fps / 8K at 60fps when using Display Stream Compression 1.2.
 
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Please read the infographic :

kuo-2019-apple-roadmap-800x458.jpg



Also note that MR didn't quote all of what he said.

Among three all-new Mac products expected to debut from Apple in 2019 are an "easy-to-upgrade" Mac Pro and a 31.6-inch Apple 6K display with high-end backlight technology, according to well-informed analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.


http://appleinsider.com/articles/19...side-316-inch-apple-mini-led-lit-6k3k-display

Yep, sorry. It was a lot of stuff. Full quote about Mac Pro was:

(3) Mac: Three all-new design products, including (i) the 16-16.5" MacBook Pro targeted at professional designers, gaming users, etc., (ii) the Mac Pro, with the design of easy-to-upgrade components and (iii) a high-resolution 31.6" 6k3k monitor with outstanding picture quality thanks to its adoption of the Mini LED-like backlight design. The new 13" MacBook Pro may add a 32GB option.
 
Thanks Arn.

See now this part has me intrigued : the 16-16.5" MacBook Pro targeted at professional designers, gaming users, etc.

Has this guy ever used gaming users as a target audience before ?

I thought that part was hard to interpret. Presumably, Ming Kuo knows that they are shooting for good/fast hardware or whatever via suppliers. That hardware may be suitable for games or professional users. But does that mean Apple is going to be targeting gaming users? That seems like a marketing decision that Kuo wouldn't have access to.

So, I didn't read too much into it.

arn
 
Presumably, Ming Kuo knows that they are shooting for good/fast hardware or whatever via suppliers. That hardware may be suitable for games or professional users. But does that mean Apple is going to be targeting gaming users? That seems like a marketing decision that Kuo wouldn't have access to.

Exactly. Kuo's contacts are in the supply chain so he generally has a good track record of the components that will go into an Apple product, but when he tries and predicts pricing, delivery dates or markets his track record is significantly worse.
 
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I thought that part was hard to interpret. Presumably, Ming Kuo knows that they are shooting for good/fast hardware or whatever via suppliers. That hardware may be suitable for games or professional users. But does that mean Apple is going to be targeting gaming users? That seems like a marketing decision that Kuo wouldn't have access to.

So, I didn't read too much into it.

arn
and gamer need better then apples very over priced storage.
$800 upgrade for 1TB vs $249.99 for an full 1TB m.2 card.
 
The latest Intel TB3 controller (Titan Ridge) allows two DisplayPort 1.4 streams to be encapsulated into the TB3 connection. So a single cable can now support uncompressed 5K at 60fps or 8K at 30fps and 5K at 120fps / 8K at 60fps when using Display Stream Compression 1.2.

I imagine if you're targeting pro uses though DSC wouldn't be optimal.
 
any mac with tb3 can game with eGPU vega 64 now...but i wonder if ming chi is somehow knowing that the 16.5" will have an even better gpu inside than vega 20 ?!
 
any mac with tb3 can game with eGPU vega 64 now...but i wonder if ming chi is somehow knowing that the 16.5" will have an even better gpu inside than vega 20 ?!

I'm just guessing here but. It could be the reason he included gaming is because perhaps some of the vendors he has talked to are known for supplying stuff to computer companies that build a lot of gaming rigs.
 
6k resolution is overkill for a monitor. It’s just wasted processing power to push those pixels. Just another reason to go for LG 4k displays. Apple display will be glossy anyway so meh.
 
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6k resolution is overkill for a monitor. It’s just wasted processing power to push those pixels. Just another reason to go for LG 4k displays. Apple display will be glossy anyway so meh.

what's your definition of overkill? 6K is still well short of print quality.
 
what's your definition of overkill? 6K is still well short of print quality.

And it's less than two 4K displays stacked next to each other.
6k resolution is overkill for a monitor. It’s just wasted processing power to push those pixels. Just another reason to go for LG 4k displays. Apple display will be glossy anyway so meh.

You sound like someone who doesn't want full-resolution previews of their 4K video or large-format canvases for some reason. People can use the real estate.

You could call retina screens "overkill" too.
 
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Interesting if the interconnect is such ridiculously high bandwidth that several years down the road it's still waaaay more than any load between the various modules would need. The test will be whether anyone can make a module that takes a retail GPU.
 

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WITH RANDOM ZOOMS IN AND OUT o_O

My question about the whole stacking module system: what would Apple gain from it? Seems like more work to develop and ship a bunch of different pieces than a single hardware system.

Not to mention extremely power- and cooling-inefficient.

Or, more to the point: the idea of a la carte building your system is cool, but I'm not sure where that requires this system versus the old Mac Pro style with one or two configs and customization from there.

If you have a barebones config with just a six-core Xeon, 16GB of RAM, a 256GB SSD, and something like a Radeon 580, as long as you're offering the 12 or 20 or 28 cores, 128GB+, 2TB SSDs, and high-end graphics, who's going to complain? That doesn't require this stacking setup, and PCIe is at this point more future-proofed than any proprietary connection.

If Apple had been regularly updating the Mac Pros I'd be less concerned about this aspect, but if it came out pros would buy it for the hardware specs, not under any illusions that Apple would offer upgrade modules to slot in because they haven't established the track record as of late to suggest that kind of support.
 
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The latest Intel TB3 controller (Titan Ridge) allows two DisplayPort 1.4 streams to be encapsulated into the TB3 connection.

Technically yes, but pragmatically no. DisplayPort 1.4 maxes out at 25.92Gb/s So two 1.4 streams is 51.84 Gb/s. Thunderbolt v3 isn't going to carry > 40Gb/s.

If you happen to put a 2K (or 4K) screen worth of data into a DP 1.4 protocol stream then it can carry two of those. Pragmatically the first Thunderbolt v3 were limited to two DP 1.2 stream (effective data rate 17.28). 2*17.28Gb/s = 34.56Gb/s. Adding the DP 1.4 might help close the ~4-5Gb/s amount of headroom you had left (depending if also want to drive USB in the monitor also).

DP 1.4 should get you better support for compression (with a decent implementation) and some other goodies. But it isn't 'buying' a whole lot of more bandwidth over Thunderbolt v3. Two "maxed out" DP 1.4 streams won't fit.


So a single cable can now support uncompressed 5K at 60fps or 8K at 30fps and 5K at 120fps / 8K at 60fps when using Display Stream Compression 1.2.

The quirky part there is whether Apple is going to buy into Display Stream Compression or not.


That said this is far more likely a 6144x3072 ( an "Ultra wide" style) Display 6k3k is a 2:1 ratio. If Apple worked backwards from the dual 1.2 max limit 34.59 Gb/s then that Ultra wide fits the bill

6144x3072x60x30 = 33.97Gb/s. .

I highly doubt Apple would try to cut the 2017-2018 Macs with discrete GPUs and TBv3 (with Alpine Ridge) off from this new Thunderbolt display docking station. A premise that only a Mac Pro will be able to drive this is probably flawed.

Titan Ridge would be highly useful in a new Mac Pro for non-Apple displays (that are primarily displays. ). DPv1.4 native mode to non Thunderbolt displays.
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Hmm strange one on the 6k display resolution. Wonder why Apple didn’t go direct to 8k.

1. More affordable.
2. HDR matters at least as much right now as more pixels ( so perhaps more cost put into better backlight than more pixels. more localized lighting is required to high the highest HDR certifications. )
3. Easier on bandwidth. Can work with existing TBv3 systems with at least a "good" discrete GPU behind it is an "Utlra wide" focus there.)
4. In editing mode then content plus timelines and palettes and tools. Like 16:10 would give folks more room for timeline at the bottom, an UltraWide set up allows for palettes tools to the side. In short, folks want "room for tools".
(still may get folks going for multiple monitors but can get more folks onto one wider one. )
[ Also if just got to 8K with no room for tools & timeline .... are editing folks going to be happy? ]


Slight tangent to Mac Pro ... it might help the iMac Pro if it was wider and could use more spacing between hottest components. [ if can more CPU closer to the middle then perhaps could get the RAM door back. Which means moving the GPU further out on its "half" of the iMac Pro. if screen is wider then that "half" is wider; so more room to move. ]
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Exactly. Kuo's contacts are in the supply chain so he generally has a good track record of the components that will go into an Apple product, but when he tries and predicts pricing, delivery dates or markets his track record is significantly worse.

Pricing and markets perhaps but delivery? Not sure he is that far off. Apple is certainly sharing calendar deadlines with the suppliers. So if Apple tells the supplier to have 200K parts ready by April 15th then that is a pretty big clue. There is some variance if there is a goof up by Apple ( Apple's design is cluster screwed ...e.g. AirPower or some vendor drops the ball. ). Plus or minus a Quarter or so his record isn't too bad.

It is more which parts of the supply chain tapped into. For some products he doesn't have firm grip on the major supplier.
 
You know how I like my talking heads?

WITH RANDOM ZOOMS IN AND OUT o_O

My question about the whole stacking module system: what would Apple gain from it? Seems like more work to develop and ship a bunch of different pieces than a single hardware system.

Not to mention extremely power- and cooling-inefficient.

Or, more to the point: the idea of a la carte building your system is cool, but I'm not sure where that requires this system versus the old Mac Pro style with one or two configs and customization from there.

Yes, my Texas Instruments TI-99/4a expanded like that. I suppose my Commodore Amiga-500 did as well.

I don't think I would buy that. I'm really hoping all these "experts" are misinterpreting this "modular" term. We just need a box (with some slots and sockets inside) that runs macOS ... what is so hard about that?
 
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Yes, my Texas Instruments TI-99/4a expanded like that. I suppose my Commodore Amiga-500 did as well.

I don't think I would buy that. I'm really hoping everyone is misinterpreting this "modular" term. We just need a box (with some slots and sockets inside) that runs macOS ... what is so hard about that?

I'm open to novel ways of doing things that come with upsides... I just can't imagine based on what they're talking about that this stackable approach would be it.

You're adding cost and bulk to a conventional tower. PCIe as we were talking about earlier hasn't proven to be a heavy handicap for old cheese graters, so even if they came up with a much faster interconnect I'm not sure how that's super beneficial. And on top of this the CPU is non-upgradable? Then the system is going to be aged at that speed, even if the rest of it was modules that you could frankenstein together more than current PC towers. That was the problem with the previous Mac Pro.

I just don't see where it solves problems for the users, and on top of that I don't see where it solves problems for Apple. A single chassis with a different daughtercard and a few dozen BTO configs is way less work than however many customizable modules people are envisioning, and it certainly wouldn't be cool, and quiet, and clean. It doesn't sound like Apple at all.

(Finally, stepping back and actually looking at these rumors, who the hell would talk to a random YouTuber I have literally never heard of before now versus a bigger site?)
 
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The idea of a possible resurrection of the 17" MBP in form factor is also interesting.

Probably not. At last month's CES 2019 there were at least 1-2 laptops introduced that squeezed a 17 display into what was a 15" laptop case. It is the ongoing 'war" against bezels. Doubtful going to get multiple internal drives and/or far more weight or wider keyboard.

May get some thickness back in the lid. Less dubious hinge and wiring to the lid, and perhaps slight retreat from the butterfly keyboard (some thickness back into the base).

Instead of the MBP 15" going down a bit in price because the touch bar screen was more mature and affordable Apple will keep the price just as (if not higher) with a bigger screen.
 
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