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That's the trick. Apple does not need to offer the best of the best. They just need that their customers believe that it is the best XD
Radeon VII is the best GPU that AMD offers right now and it is basically a Vega. Sure Nvidia has outpaced AMD in terms of performance for a few years now but they don't play well with others. Apple wants to control the GPU so they can offer advanced features like live-removable GPU support which requires driver support that Nvidia is reluctant to provide in a timely manner.
 
Thankfully Nvidia isn't a standard at all for GPU computing in 'Pro' apps. ;)

I think the biggest features for a new Mac Pro would actually be a published roadmap for annual updates that the users can expect over the product's projected lifetime - and longer than 1-year warranty period as standard plus optional warranty extensions beyond Apple Care.
 
I think the biggest features for a new Mac Pro would actually be a published roadmap for annual updates that the users can expect over the product's projected lifetime.

This would be the best thing.
Also the most out of character thing.
Therefore the most unlikely thing.
Unfortunately.
 
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Thankfully Nvidia isn't a standard at all for GPU computing in 'Pro' apps. ;)

I think the biggest features for a new Mac Pro would actually be a published roadmap for annual updates that the users can expect over the product's projected lifetime - and longer than 1-year warranty period as standard plus optional warranty extensions beyond Apple Care.

It depends on what "pro apps" your thinking of. If you think of 3D modeling and rendering ++ then Nvidia is the standard and that is without a doubt. Either you like it or not its CUDA all the way. And if Apple wants to expand its user base to this growing segment of pro users they have an excellent opportunity all they have to do is to make decent workstation with Nvidia support.



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i'm not sure why anyone would want a new mac pro. if you need "pro" level computing you would almost certainly go with a custom PC, nvidia gpus (either RTX, Titan, or Quadro - depending on the need), better thermals, etc.

is FCP or Logic (and no way does Logic need this) the only reason someone would buy a Mac Pro.

PS - this is NOT a pc/mac debate about which is better in general. this is literally me just trying to understand who/why someone would have any interest in the mac pro nowadays.
 
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i'm not sure why anyone would want a new mac pro. if you need "pro" level computing you would almost certainly go with a custom PC, nvidia gpus (either RTX, Titan, or Quadro - depending on the need), better thermals, etc.

is FCP or Logic (and no way does Logic need this) the only reason someone would buy a Mac Pro.

PS - this is NOT a pc/mac debate about which is better in general. this is literally me just trying to understand who/why someone would have any interest in the mac pro nowadays.

Fair question .

For me, it's about knowing my way around OSX, prefering it over Windows and having a Mac centric workflow I'd rather not change .
A bit of laziness, stubbornness, and childish hope that Apple will get the Macs and OSX back on track .
 
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Fair question .

For me, it's about knowing my way around OSX, prefering it over Windows and having a Mac centric workflow I'd rather not change .
A bit of laziness, stubbornness, and childish hope that Apple will get the Macs and OSX back on track .

i mean i get it. i had a macbook pro, an imac, then another macbook pro over the last 15 years. when it finally bit the dust i had to decide what to get. i'm a wedding photographer, so i mainly needed something for editing photos, and the current macs really don't compare to a custom PC in programs like lightroom. i did not want to switch because i loved OSX, but i really couldn't justify staying with mac and went with a PC. for people like me who just have one computer for both work and personal use i can see them going with a nice imac (but even those are hard to justify now that they are not user repairable/upgradeable), but no way are they getting a mac pro. that's why i don't get who this is for. would you really be willing to spend like $3,000 more for a computer that possibly does less just because you like OSX? maybe you do, and i won't give you a hard time for it, but i don't see many people with that thought process. i think the older mac pros sold because osx had exclusive software, or stuff that just ran better on it, but i don't know of any software other than Mac-only stuff (FCP is really the only one i can think of now)or even just runs better on mac, so i'm not sure how many people will really be into it.
 
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would you really be willing to spend like $3,000 more for a computer that possibly does less just because you like OSX? maybe you do, and i won't give you a hard time for it, but i don't see many people with that thought process. i think the older mac pros sold because osx had exclusive software, or stuff that just ran better on it, but i don't know of any software other than Mac-only stuff (FCP is really the only one i can think of now)or even just runs better on mac, so i'm not sure how many people will really be into it.

Well, as far as I'm concerned - if Apple released a proper workstation this year, competitively priced and without any propriatery tech that affects upgrades, I'd stick with Macs and OSX.
The MBP designs are still a big issue, OSX is a mess re. design and feature priorities, but a decent MP would be a gesture of goodwill .

If they don't, I'll just keep running my old cMPs until they blow up or can't cope with work requirements any longer, and switch to Windows then .

As for Mac specific software, I'm not sure that has ever been a major factor .
It was more about important stuff like Adobe apps running on Macs and such .

Back in the day, Mac OS 'just worked' , and Windows just didn't ; when Apple moved to Intel, Macs were competitive in price and performance ( apart from GPUs... ) and still a much more stable platform .
The cheesegraters and the (earlier) unibody Macbooks were and still are very well made computers .
And you can run Windows or Linux on them as well !

Current Macs of course are rubbish, unless their limitations are not an issue for one's particular needs .
Or rather, if one is not aware of their limitations .

With the current state of Macs and OSX, I think it'd be foolish to choose a Mac over a PC if you're not commited to Macs already .
But even if you are commited to Macs, and the next MP is another dud, that might be a good time to say goodbye .
 
i'm not sure why anyone would want a new mac pro. if you need "pro" level computing you would almost certainly go with a custom PC, nvidia gpus (either RTX, Titan, or Quadro - depending on the need), better thermals, etc.

is FCP or Logic (and no way does Logic need this) the only reason someone would buy a Mac Pro.

PS - this is NOT a pc/mac debate about which is better in general. this is literally me just trying to understand who/why someone would have any interest in the mac pro nowadays.

that is what I did intel 7820 x 1080 GPU etc.. BUT its backfiring because you realize how much you rely on managing client files and our own and the file explorer SUCKS !!!! and the lack of proper color management is horrid and lack of things you use daily quick preview the 3rd party windows one is slow with large pdfs and cant do raw files and so on ?


yeah win will work for some but for others its about the OS with the same level hardware

a car can get you from point a to b but many are into cars and prefer the whole experience and some might have to carry other pax and some might have to carry lots of gear so saying mac or pc is like saying nobody needs anything but a econo car ?

I used to use windows till OS X came out and I went back to macs I say go back cause around OS 4 or so I jumped to PC cause it was the better overall for me

windows for me has way to many issues at the base that makes it a no go for me
and sadly apple hardware since Steve died is in the craps and getting worse ? so yeah some of us are in a real bad spot
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Well, as far as I'm concerned - if Apple released a proper workstation this year, competitively priced and without any propriatery tech that affects upgrades, I'd stick with Macs and OSX.
The MBP designs are still a big issue, OSX is a mess re. design and feature priorities, but a decent MP would be a gesture of goodwill .

If they don't, I'll just keep running my old cMPs until they blow up or can't cope with work requirements any longer, and switch to Windows then .

As for Mac specific software, I'm not sure that has ever been a major factor .
It was more about important stuff like Adobe apps running on Macs and such .

Back in the day, Mac OS 'just worked' , and Windows just didn't ; when Apple moved to Intel, Macs were competitive in price and performance ( apart from GPUs... ) and still a much more stable platform .
The cheesegraters and the (earlier) unibody Macbooks were and still are very well made computers .
And you can run Windows or Linux on them as well !

Current Macs of course are rubbish, unless their limitations are not an issue for one's particular needs .
Or rather, if one is not aware of their limitations .

With the current state of Macs and OSX, I think it'd be foolish to choose a Mac over a PC if you're not commited to Macs already .
But even if you are commited to Macs, and the next MP is another dud, that might be a good time to say goodbye .
for fun and to repeat a bit of the above I posted

speaking as a photographer win sucks for the file explorer and lack of proper color management ?

but we are in a bad spot hardware wise and agree OS X is not polished like it used to be
my win machine I built for C1 is insane but the interface to deal with files and so on makes it slower in some ways over all ? I have extensive use in both win and os x

I think for me its going to be the hackintosh route and build known solid build and live with not updating until forced to ?
I hate where we are ? I could buy a mini and use a eGPU ? which I might do or get the new i9 iMac and hope it lasts and figure the monitor is fine for a second but will use proper color accurate monitors so that is kinda a waste ?

the fact apple did not include the i7 shows they are forcing you not giving you options !!! and that is what they used to offer
same as hey have i9 but the base GPU is previous tech kinda like giving a super modern car drum brakes in the back and offer a upgrade to discs ? kinda like UHMMMM what did you do to me ?

adobe apps :) ahhhh the issue :) I notice my kept up to date mac pro 5,1 for the most part edits in PS just as quick as my high end mac ONLY certain features with GPU options does the win pull ahead and of course large 16 bit files in the 2 gig range save quicker on that nVME etc.. but adobe is also our problem again I speak from a photographer not a video guy :)

so I hear ya we are in a bad spot and apple does not care HEY buy the new phone for $1500 and shut up be cool sure it really has not changed in 5 generations or more

also I do fear the t2 chip and what hardware control will be allowed ? even many of us with old mac pro cheese graters the gpu is not officially supported some now with drivers some with no boot screens some with other flash hacks and so on the t2 chip will stop that in its tracks and the lack of real upgrades apple ever offered were not current ?


so yeah I might be forced into win which is going to suck for me :) hahahahahahahaha
 
i'm not sure why anyone would want a new mac pro. if you need "pro" level computing you would almost certainly go with a custom PC, nvidia gpus (either RTX, Titan, or Quadro - depending on the need), better thermals, etc.

is FCP or Logic (and no way does Logic need this) the only reason someone would buy a Mac Pro.

PS - this is NOT a pc/mac debate about which is better in general. this is literally me just trying to understand who/why someone would have any interest in the mac pro nowadays.
maybe because all other systems sucks when it comes to interoperability and user interface?
evry time I have to use a PC on windows with a friend who is a pc fan boy I either hear the sentence : « no cant do it like this you have to do those 21 step in order to do it »...
or
plug a new device : spend 1/2 hour turning antivirals alert off and ending up fighting with drivers.

mac os is just a somuch more robust and trouble free operating system : even IT use macbook in data center to monitor PC...

and if you look at the amount of people doing hackintosh to run on PC hardware because they want to, versus the number of people running window on a mac because they have to... that give you an idea on how macosx is far more usable on a dailly basis, period.

so why do we want a macpro? because windows and linux sucks and we need powerful machines.

do you know a lot of pc from 2009 that is still running competitively in a pro environment the latest iteration on windows, except HP Z800/20 who where mac-pro clones?
 
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maybe because all other systems sucks when it comes to interoperability and user interface?
evry time I have to use a PC on windows with a friend who is a pc fan boy I either hear the sentence : « no cant do it like this you have to do those 21 step in order to do it »...
or
plug a new device : spend 1/2 hour turning antivirals alert off and ending up fighting with drivers.

mac os is just a somuch more robust and trouble free operating system : even IT use macbook in data center to monitor PC...

and if you look at the amount of people doing hackintosh to run on PC hardware because they want to, versus the number of people running window on a mac because they have to... that give you an idea on how macosx is far more usable on a dailly basis, period.

so why do we want a macpro? because windows and linux sucks and we need powerful machines.

do you know a lot of pc from 2009 that is still running competitively in a pro environment the latest iteration on windows, except HP Z800/20 who where mac-pro clones?

Linux hardly sucks. It only sucks if you wedded to certain software that isn’t available. Otherwise, it’s either essentially the same as MacOS or potentially even better.
 
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Linux hardly sucks. It only sucks if you wedded to certain software that isn’t available. Otherwise, it’s either essentially the same as MacOS or potentially even better.
maybe for you, because you are smarter than me, but I’m a idiot, and dont have the IQ to use linux... for me a computer is just a tool, and i want a simple and efficient tool.
The full integration of my email/messages/calendar/note within all my device is one thing i could not live without.
I may be surrounded by dumb people, but so far all the people who I have met never manage to convince me that there was a better os than mac os...
I’ve been playing with hackintosh, witch was fun for a while but as soon as the price of used cMP where cheaper that a 3770k setup I went back to apple...

I switched from final cut studio to adobe, and know , deeply thinking about going to resolve 16 and scratch, cause I’m tired of adobe.
 
I have to use a PC on windows with a friend who is a pc fan boy I either hear the sentence : « no cant do it like this you have to do those 21 step in order to do it »...
or
plug a new device : spend 1/2 hour turning antivirals alert off and ending up fighting with drivers.

mac os is just a somuch more robust and trouble free operating system

My favorite parts of this legendarily robust OS is how the activity monitor hasn’t worked correctly since 10.6 and the hilariously poor performs network drivers. OSX has been the unwanted stepchild at Apple since the phone came out and it shows.
 
maybe for you, because you are smarter than me, but I’m a idiot, and dont have the IQ to use linux... for me a computer is just a tool, and i want a simple and efficient tool.
The full integration of my email/messages/calendar/note within all my device is one thing i could not live without.
I may be surrounded by dumb people, but so far all the people who I have met never manage to convince me that there was a better os than mac os...
I’ve been playing with hackintosh, witch was fun for a while but as soon as the price of used cMP where cheaper that a 3770k setup I went back to apple...

I switched from final cut studio to adobe, and know , deeply thinking about going to resolve 16 and scratch, cause I’m tired of adobe.
One question for you regarding this statement, "The full integration of my email/messages/calendar/note within all my device is one thing i could not live without.".
What did you do/How did you work before all that integration was a thing?
 
My favorite parts of this legendarily robust OS is how the activity monitor hasn’t worked correctly since 10.6 and the hilariously poor performs network drivers. OSX has been the unwanted stepchild at Apple since the phone came out and it shows.
I’ll consider switching when Microsoft can reliably install updates from its own App Store without requiring trips to the command prompt, and Linux distros don’t stump a room of CompSci nerds with a weird technical problem.

No OS is perfect. But MacOS isn’t often actively in my way.
 
maybe because all other systems sucks when it comes to interoperability and user interface?
evry time I have to use a PC on windows with a friend who is a pc fan boy I either hear the sentence : « no cant do it like this you have to do those 21 step in order to do it »...
or
plug a new device : spend 1/2 hour turning antivirals alert off and ending up fighting with drivers.

mac os is just a somuch more robust and trouble free operating system : even IT use macbook in data center to monitor PC...

and if you look at the amount of people doing hackintosh to run on PC hardware because they want to, versus the number of people running window on a mac because they have to... that give you an idea on how macosx is far more usable on a dailly basis, period.

so why do we want a macpro? because windows and linux sucks and we need powerful machines.

do you know a lot of pc from 2009 that is still running competitively in a pro environment the latest iteration on windows, except HP Z800/20 who where mac-pro clones?
saying windows sucks is funny, because it honestly doesn't. while i prefer the look of OSX and some of it's features I wouldn't really say that it's better.

along with my imac i am running a windows 10 pc - i have zero antivirus software and i am not prompted by it. if you do, that's because you've installed some.

to say OSX is more useable on a daily basis isn't accurate really either. i almost never run into issues with either system. the only problem that i sometimes run into is installing new hardware in windows and having to update things. however, it's simple and generally has more flexibility.

saying that OSX is more robust is silly too. how is either system more robust.

i'm sorry, but it sounds like you're just trumpeting falicies that don't have any basis in reality but only in your opinion. i'm not going to argue you opinion that you don't like windows - that's fine. it's not my favourite system all the time also - but instead of really answering my question you just went ahead and said windows sucks, so that's why there are mac pros.

my question is basically to name a specific person who will purchase what will most likely be hugely expensive computer and lack nvidia gpu support, and why exactly? i don't think typical mac users are going to spend a small fortune on a modular mac because they think, and i will quote you, "windows and linux sucks." also, i keep hearing that mac users just want computers that work and they don't have to think about it. the idea of a modular mac goes completely against that logic, so it's clearly aimed towards "power" users. however, other than needing a super powerful computer to run FCP i can't think of any instance where someone would actually spend a small fortune on one.
 
I’ll consider switching when Microsoft can reliably install updates from its own App Store without requiring trips to the command prompt, and Linux distros don’t stump a room of CompSci nerds with a weird technical problem.

No OS is perfect. But MacOS isn’t often actively in my way.

Why would anyone use the MS App Store? Really doesn’t have anything to do with the OS.
 
One question for you regarding this statement, "The full integration of my email/messages/calendar/note within all my device is one thing i could not live without.".
What did you do/How did you work before all that integration was a thing?

And really the only thing that can’t be integrated on any platform is messages. But then again there may be third party apps I am not aware of because I just don’t try to do this. Ubuntu definitely has mail/calendar/notes solutions that would work with you iPad/iPhone/Mac.
 
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