I keep wishing Apple would just designate one third party like Dell or HP to make OSX certified workstations.
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I keep wishing Apple would just designate one third party like Dell or HP to make OSX certified workstations.
Seriously. They aren't really making them anyway, so why not?
Apple doesn't interest enterprise platform like they kick XServe.
Looks they also not interest with workstation business . If they make HP/DELL into OSX certified it will tarnish their cylinder mac pro as "most powerful computer"
Face it. Apple is changing into horrendous direction with their iToys. Each year only iPhone updated regularly, following with iPad etc.
Looks they also not interest with workstation business . If they make HP/DELL into OSX certified it will tarnish their cylinder mac pro as "most powerful computer"
Face it. Apple is changing into horrendous direction with their iToys. Each year only iPhone updated regularly, following with iPad etc.
Is there any real news that the nMP will even be continued though? We have how many betas of macOS had crickets. What did we have that umpteen USB port thing that feels like years ago? Presumably, Apple could have got its hands on some manufacture versions of the new GPUs by now that might show up in the beta OSes? I mean, at what point do they just stop caring about actually selling the "most powerful computer" themselves? Obviously they aren't particularly committed to it anyway.
But yes, I agree Apple's direction is flawed. Mobile growth has peaked and will soon flatten, even trend negative in the not so distant future. Just like computers. There is no reason to ignore a still very large market (the PCs and workstation/servers) any longer. Apple needs to diversify, and not with the tanking watch, Siri on a computer or cars, for F-sake. Just keep up with modern specs in your awesome computer line... why is this hard?
This! Seriously the down turn has shown over the last few quarters and inside information is to downplay the iPhone 7 (Late 2016) sales. I really think we are in the flatten stage. Which really leads me to wondering where have all the engineers gone? I mean really Apple is a gigantic Company employing thousands that are not all working on the same product/projects, Yes we can all point out that they are waiting on the component/chip/card manufactures for newer tech, but the current computing offerings are dismal to say the least. Apple can't really put all the eggs in the mobility basket, and lets not even get started on the iCar.
Lets change tot to ... "possible Apple car and possible VR". For the VR Part, why would an developer be interested in Apple VR while they all already with VR for years on the PC side. Apple missed the boat. The new iPhone is just a nother iPhone that looks almost the same as the one before.. ppl get bored. The OS is not that special either anymore in 2016. A lot of users are waiting for be next big thing where Apple will change the world, its not going to happen. I think Apple is going to shrink slightly in the near future. There iMacs will be sold.. no problem. As like there Macbooks.. no problem.. with tablets, much options for you on the market beside an expensive iPad. Same as for phones. There are many good phones out there, even better than the iPhone. The workstations are not with Apple anymore (never have been tho) and is controlled by Party's like Dell and HP. So, all they have left are the gimmicks, if you ask me.
I do enjoy my Apple eco system. But I would enjoy an Windows or Android eco system too. The name on the package is not so important anymore. But that is my personal point of view.
Thats because most OEM's have learned tricks from Apple and understood phenomenon on which Jobs built his Apple. Philosophy. Currently for Apple another big thing would be... changing itself in another direction as a company/business side. That would be biggest innovation Apple could do.
Computers are dying, PC's are dying. This is not only problem for Apple but whole industry. Thats why everybody is heading into "devices" rather than separate units, that account for idea of computing. Add to this picture Internet of Things, VR/AR, AI and you get where can Apple go with their business.
As for computers, more and more content will be consumed on consoles, smartphones, tablets. It is completely inevitable. Computers will mostly be bought by content creators. Progress however on desktop will slow down extremely, and only way to extract more power from hardware is scalability: multiple GPUs, multiple CPUs, etc.
Nobody will use 10 nm process for desktop parts, apart maybe small amount of Intel CPUs(low-powered CPUs), because of the nature of the process. We are stuck with 14/16 nm for at least upcoming 2 years, with mediocre upgrades to performance.
Why do I write this? Because it is not only Apple that is affected. Last stall in updates to their hardware and software was because IMO Apple prepares complete revamp of their hardware to celebrate 40th anniversary of Mac. What better way to do it is by revamping all of their hardware and software? Mac Mini, MacBook Pro, Mac Pro, MacBook Air, iMac, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro.
This was/is what we all expected, but till now, I think, they have only raised a flag at their HQ for celebration... they have also released a video...
Anyway I do hope that we will see something new and really useful, in 2016, even if 8 months have already passed by...
Also I don't think that computers and PC's are dying, there may be a non tremendous growth, but this is a result of the very good CPUs and hardware of the last years. Also the most progress is achieved in GPUs, so as the CPU power is about the same it makes more sense for people with normal towers and PCIe slots to just buy a better GPU or add more of them for even better results etc.
They are still looking into it..in regards to VR. Maybe they did miss the boat or possibly waiting for something...who knows.
I said this in another thread. Apple is a brain...and the reason Steve and Tim worked great together was because they were like a brain. If Steve was a visionary/creative....he represented the right brain and Tim was was logical/realist...he was more of the left brain. If one side was missing, you can't run the company at 100 percent....but the Apple will still profit...just not creativity side.
VR ship sailed? You can have a top 10 grossing VR game in Steam and only make a few hundred bucks a week. The user base is still incredibly small, and technical challenges like tracking and locomotion are not properly solved yet. VR still has years of development before it will interest the masses.
But you are making a huge mistake here. Steam? I am not talking about general gaming. VR is huge and there are many developers on it. You can walk between dinosaurs with school programs, kids can go to school when they are in a hospital, you can drive before you are even legal to drive. You can do medical training, you can do safety trainings, you can walk in your new home, etc etc etc. Tons and tons of VR options. And VR for gaming will come too. I know so many developers that are working there ass of with VR.. Yes.. Apple missed the boat. Ship sailed.
But, they have Apple Watch 2.0 with extra functions. And that is awesome too.
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Who said AMD Zen is not good for Mac Pro?
"At an event in San Francisco AMD revealed a few more low-level details of Zen's architecture—and in a multithreaded Blender rendering demo showed that an 8-core/16-thread "Summit Ridge" Zen CPU outperformed an 8C/16T Broadwell-E CPU (presumably the Core i7-6900K) at the same clockspeed. - - AMD had previously said it was targeting a 40 percent uplift in instructions-per-clock (IPC) performance over Excavator, the last core in the Bulldozer family; now the company has provided some harder figures on how it plans to get there: Zen has "enhanced branch prediction," plus "1.75x instruction scheduler window" width and "1.5x issue width and execution resources" over Excavator." - Arstechnica
Another new was, that Zen is officially delayed to 2017.
"At an event in San Francisco AMD revealed a few more low-level details of Zen's architecture—and in a multithreaded Blender rendering demo showed that an 8-core/16-thread "Summit Ridge" Zen CPU outperformed an 8C/16T Broadwell-E CPU (presumably the Core i7-6900K) at the same clockspeed. - - AMD had previously said it was targeting a 40 percent uplift in instructions-per-clock (IPC) performance over Excavator, the last core in the Bulldozer family; now the company has provided some harder figures on how it plans to get there: Zen has "enhanced branch prediction," plus "1.75x instruction scheduler window" width and "1.5x issue width and execution resources" over Excavator." - Arstechnica
Another new was, that Zen is officially delayed to 2017.
Better than Intel, but delayed? Hmm... As usual with AMD, I'll believe it when I see it.
They're comparing it to i7-6900K... which is 140W 8-core chip. That's Broadwell E. Just a bit different than Xeon E5-EP. Zen is able to beat it. But not available today, which is not good... Broadwell-EP/E is 6 months ahead.
They are comparing throughput so far. We have to wait and see what they will come up with, but expecting at this moment Broadwell-E/EP levels of performance at 95W is just delusional.
If they would come up with 95W CPU that has similar levels of performance as 140W Intel CPU that would be biggest leap in performance in history of x86 CPUs. That is why it is wise to tone down expectations.
If they would come up with 95W CPU that has similar levels of performance as 140W Intel CPU that would be biggest leap in performance in history of x86 CPUs. That is why it is wise to tone down expectations.
First of all, there was not mentioned TDP for this 8-core Zen. Also, let me copy/paste it again: "in a multithreaded Blender rendering demo showed that an 8-core/16-thread "Summit Ridge" Zen CPU outperformed an 8C/16T Broadwell-E CPU (presumably the Core i7-6900K) at the same clockspeed."
So, I suppose, Zen could be still a good replacement for Xeon E5 v2? With 95W TDP it would give for the GPUs more thermal and power room, don't you think? If the tube stays, that is.
Anyway, you're right that this could be a killer chip for iMac.
Anyway, you're right that this could be a killer chip for iMac.
In theory yes, but it would be hard for Apple to justify to offer 8 core Zen CPU as a replacement for 12 core Intel Xeon E5, even if it would have Similar levels of single threaded performance. Secondly Zen on HEDT has only Dual Channel memory controller, and I think, but I am not sure about this, 32 PCIe 3.0 lanes.
Some speculators think that the delay is because of the chipset wont be finished on time. Will there be server chipset for Zen or not... remains to be seen.
AMD needs second revision of manufacturing lanes starting with beginning of September to test A1 revision of the silicon before the release. It might mean that in the end, Zen will have higher core clocks at that TDP.
It is a bit strange that AMD used A0 revision to demo the Zen CPU, because first A0 revision were in the wild as early as... January 2016. At this stage they should be testing A1 or A2 revisions of the silicon, but I will not draw any conclusions from this.
Here is also one of more interesting proof of this. http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/...speculations-about-zen-after-our-april-s-fool
Their information lanes up with what we know about Zen currently, few months in the future from the article. Interesting speculation, but it is only speculation.
It is a bit strange that AMD used A0 revision to demo the Zen CPU, because first A0 revision were in the wild as early as... January 2016. At this stage they should be testing A1 or A2 revisions of the silicon, but I will not draw any conclusions from this.
Here is also one of more interesting proof of this. http://www.bitsandchips.it/english/...speculations-about-zen-after-our-april-s-fool
Their information lanes up with what we know about Zen currently, few months in the future from the article. Interesting speculation, but it is only speculation.