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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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TBD2 Will use TB3 interface even if launched today there is no single Mac compatible yet (there will be tb3=> tb2 splitters but not viceversa), so the TB Display has no compatible follow up from TBD2, whatever the case if you have a Mac with TB2 ports the new TBD2 display isn't for you.
With this scenario once the TBD1 inventory is exhausted Apple either has to manufacture new TBD1 or nicely ask their customers to pick one from 3rd, the first option it's impossible neither it's actual replacement (the TBD2) Will solve the situation.
So whatever those "savvy" analyst have said about Thunderbolt Display continuity it's BS.
I repeat here write down guys next Apple 's Thunderbolt Display is on the way it's 4K and has as interface thunderbolt 3, no idea how many usb-c 3.1 or ethernet ports, but the info I've verified (beyond rumours and crappy/funny leakers as DNG) Points clearly to this new variations 4K/21“ TB3 sadly won't be compatible with any previous Mac neither will have eGPU on board (or this will be an optional variation).
Apple said it though.. not some savvy analyst.
June 23, 2016
"We're discontinuing the Apple Thunderbolt Display. It will be available through Apple.com, Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers while supplies last. There are a number of great third-party options available for Mac users," said an Apple spokesperson.
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do you think apple would make this sort of announcement to several news sites only to turn around and release another t-bolt display?
It can also mean they are bringing another, new display with completely new name.
This applies only to TBD1, not to the display sales, even Apple may rename the TBD, or just announce "we proudly announce a new Thundebolt Display 2 or the Thunderbolt Retina Display (without 2)... " whatever the conclusion about Apple never selling a TBD again is BS.
Yup seems inconsistent, coz that I had to double verify this rumor before give it any credit but to me it's safe to say this new TB3 Retina Display whatever being named will be available only on 21" 4K, even if Apple builds a variation with eGPU on board it won't allow to Daisychain another TB3 device (the version w/o eGPU shouldn't have this restriction).
I don't give any chance to an eGPU from APPLE, as I commented from my previous post technically if Apple decides to build a display with eGPU on board it won't have any extra thunderbolt port available to Daisychain TB3 peripherals, while Apple could offer 5K resolution with this arrangement I doubt the performance will worth the cost and the OS related issues (as you need to disable the internal gpu and maybe not possible to an attached display to show the output from the eGPU).
The only good news about the TB3 Retina Display whatever being named, is that it should be a way long cheaper than the Thunderbolt Display 1. I bet it will cost among 400-600$
tbh, I don't think it can mean that.
displays are replaced very rarely (relatively speaking)..
there's no way apple is going to tell their customers to go buy a competitor's display knowing full well that person is going to use the thing for the next 8-10+ years..
year 2017-- """ hey guys, I know we told you to buy another brand last year but here's our new version of acd.. please sell your 1 year old display and buy ours again!!"
come on
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if Apple starts selling a product that displays content, it's going to be something that accompanies a traditional display or potentially replaces them.. something new a customer will be able to use regardless of their current display hardware.
Worst should be to delusion the user base with an new product which is fully incompatible with the current Macs.
I see a bit of ego here, gentlemen please do your homework as I did, I won't reveal what I discovery but it's real next TB3 display is coming, I have no idea when (but likely on next Mac event) but it's real, it's 21" and at least the information suggest don't include eGPU (neither denies, but given the issues with an eGPU it's unlikely).
If the new display is not compatible with previous generation computers it would be completely logical to phase out it BEFORE presentation of next gen. computers.
All of Apple computers have not been updated presumably for this very reason. HDR requires 1.3 DP, or Thunderbolt 3.
In fact Apple never said they're exiting the display business, but pointing to 3rd party vendors is awkward if they're about to release a new one.
Still, a 21" isn't exactly replacing a 27" so pointing to others for bigger displays might be the point.
I also believe it will come, a new TB3 display to go with the new laptops to come. Still, the new rMBP, if coming in 14" and 16" as also rumored, should be 4K as well, so what's the point? Only to have a bigger display actually.
It will not be any good for the new nMP, who will use it with a 21"? Hardly anyone I imagine. If it was at least 24" @4K I might even consider it, 27" would be perfect. But not 21".
And the eGPU possibility, I'd say it's way out of the question, absolutely. But who knows.
So, while a 4K @60Hz 10b HDR display does make sense, since it can be driven today without resorting to ALT mode, making it a 21" is lame, maybe only to keep it Retina?!
Still, if it comes probably only after October or so.
Still, a 21" isn't exactly replacing a 27" so pointing to others for bigger displays might be the point.
I also believe it will come, a new TB3 display to go with the new laptops to come. Still, the new rMBP, if coming in 14" and 16" as also rumored, should be 4K as well, so what's the point? Only to have a bigger display actually.
It will not be any good for the new nMP, who will use it with a 21"? Hardly anyone I imagine. If it was at least 24" @4K I might even consider it, 27" would be perfect. But not 21".
And the eGPU possibility, I'd say it's way out of the question, absolutely. But who knows.
So, while a 4K @60Hz 10b HDR display does make sense, since it can be driven today without resorting to ALT mode, making it a 21" is lame, maybe only to keep it Retina?!
Still, if it comes probably only after October or so.
I understand it may not appeal to previous TBD owners but it see Apple is building it to sell, not to occupy room at the stores (previous TBD was one of the slowest selling products at Apple stores), and it will target iMac requiring a secondary screen and Macbooks and Mini to use it as main screen, even some Mac Pro will setup multiple Daisychained TBD3 But given the technical challenges if you wanna go 5K you have to choose an non thunderbolt solution.
One argument to support the 21" display might be the DPI of the display. Considering the DPI Apple currently seems to favor in its desktop products:
- Macbook 12" => 226 dpi
- rMBP 13" => 227 dpi
- rMBP 15" => 221 dpi
- iMac 21" => 219 dpi
- iMac 27" => 218 dpi
Thus a theoretical Apple Display would likely be designed with the same constraint: Its DPI should be around 220 dpi.
Based on the DPI you can calculate the numbers of pixels—assuming a 16:9 aspect ratio. E.g. standard 4k (3840x2160) on a 21" display would result in 210 dpi … just a little bit shy of the assumed 220 dpi Apple would like to use. Keep in mind that the 21.5" display of the iMac has 4096x2304 pixels, so it's a little bit over the standard 4k resolution.
So, I think the 21" Apple display does not sound completely out of mind. But I would like to see the introduction of both, a 21" and a 27" new Apple Cinema Display. ;-)
- Macbook 12" => 226 dpi
- rMBP 13" => 227 dpi
- rMBP 15" => 221 dpi
- iMac 21" => 219 dpi
- iMac 27" => 218 dpi
Thus a theoretical Apple Display would likely be designed with the same constraint: Its DPI should be around 220 dpi.
Based on the DPI you can calculate the numbers of pixels—assuming a 16:9 aspect ratio. E.g. standard 4k (3840x2160) on a 21" display would result in 210 dpi … just a little bit shy of the assumed 220 dpi Apple would like to use. Keep in mind that the 21.5" display of the iMac has 4096x2304 pixels, so it's a little bit over the standard 4k resolution.
So, I think the 21" Apple display does not sound completely out of mind. But I would like to see the introduction of both, a 21" and a 27" new Apple Cinema Display. ;-)
Why not 3 displays? 
21 inch 4K, 27 inch 5K, 31.5 inch 8K.
Read this: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...ac-8k-later-this-year-display-partner-lg-says
21 inch 4K, 27 inch 5K, 31.5 inch 8K.
Read this: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...ac-8k-later-this-year-display-partner-lg-says
Mago, for laptops and Mini looks fine. But iMac, only it it's a 21" as well, if you have a 27" would you get a smaller 21"? Maybe only for displaying less important stuff.
tomvos, the sole reason for being 21" is indeed the Retina effect and Apple's aprox 220dpi, that was something that there was no question about, we had that discussion before.
The problem is that it's too limiting in choices.
It will probably use the same panel as the iMac so 4096x2304 seems more likely.
However, it should also be HDR now so maybe not.
For 24" there is no standard resolution that fits the Retina criteria, so 27" would be the next step at 5K but that seems unlikely now.
koyoot, that rumor is so old, I don't think there's any truth in it. 8K is still far off in the desktop.
tomvos, the sole reason for being 21" is indeed the Retina effect and Apple's aprox 220dpi, that was something that there was no question about, we had that discussion before.
The problem is that it's too limiting in choices.
It will probably use the same panel as the iMac so 4096x2304 seems more likely.
However, it should also be HDR now so maybe not.
For 24" there is no standard resolution that fits the Retina criteria, so 27" would be the next step at 5K but that seems unlikely now.
koyoot, that rumor is so old, I don't think there's any truth in it. 8K is still far off in the desktop.
Not so, remenber Apple will sell along the 21" TB3RD an 3rd party 5K display either compatible with USB-C DP1.3 or HDMI 2.0b, it has sense since this market its much smaller, only bad is that you lose TBD amenities as WebCam, speakers, lan, usb and that big Apple logo , not a big tradeoff.
Also for iMac 5K also with upcoming AMD Polaris 11xt gpu I doubt it have enough power to drive 2x5K display at same time properly (internal and external), for video producers a 4K external display its just what they need a secondary display for secondary stuff not a second main display.
(you're rigth the TB3RD will be the same display as the one in the iMac 21, even should be identical)
TB3 can use legacy TB2/TB1 peripherals thru an splitter/adaptel like the one you post.
but TB2/TB1 machines wont be able to use any TB3 device.
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that for a moment. The TB3 connector is not compatible with TB/TB.
I have multiple TB2 RAID, single drives and devices, so multiple adapters are going to be needed?
Actually that doesn't make any sense. According to the Thunderbolt site TB3 is backwards compatible with TB/TB2. It just uses the USB-3 connector. So wouldn't a TB2 to TB3 cable suffice?
This just gets better by the minute... Now I need hundreds of dollars worth of adapters to plug my gear into a new machine. Oh, wait. There is no new machine to plug anything into, so never mind.
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