Wasn't it a government org in your nation that accepted MS lobby money to get Windows back on their machines, after a few years prior they migrated to linux ?
I mean, if you call that 'trying'.
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Wasn't it a government org in your nation that accepted MS lobby money to get Windows back on their machines, after a few years prior they migrated to linux ?
I mean, if you call that 'trying'.
I think it’s a single person on a couple of threads.
As for in what universe... Dr. Strange has seen several millions of alternate realities. On none of those does apple sell motherboards.
Germany is not perfect, but lobbying is not an issue .
No idea where you are from, but if it's the USA, you'd be well advised not to mention lobbying and other kinds of bribery in politics .
Or polititics in general .
I know it's an apples-to-oranges comparison, but it does show how absurd it is there hasn't been a new Mac Pro by now. Nobody, absolutely nobody, is expecting or wanting Apple to do a ton of design work here. All we ever wanted was just a new cheese grater, which Apple could take a couple months to figure out, test, and set up a supply chain for. They don't need to spend a whole lot of time working on software for this. They don't need to spend years designing a new case and custom board shape. They really just need to decide on some specs, negotiate a bulk order, tool up a factory, and go.
I'm not from the USA, don't worry.
Yet you defend MS, the original ( or at least most publicized ) predatory anti-competitor...
I just find it odd, that at least in my experience, the gains OSX/MACOS had made in certain environments, was as a desktop front end to largely linux based services, thanks to obvious reasons. The synergy, sometimes awkward has otherwise been pretty good. So much so that MS has taken notes.
Anyways, at best, this is tangent to relevant topic, so going to stop here.
Yet you defend MS, the original ( or at least most publicized ) predatory anti-competitor...
I just find it odd, that at least in my experience, the gains OSX/MACOS had made in certain environments, was as a desktop front end to largely linux based services, thanks to obvious reasons. The synergy, sometimes awkward has otherwise been pretty good. So much so that MS has taken notes.
Anyways, at best, this is tangent to relevant topic, so going to stop here.
My fever dream Mac Pro wish list:
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I’ve been in the Apple camp since the Apple ][ and have owned Mac towers for over 20 years since the first beige G3. Currently running a 4.1 cheesgrater upgraded to 5.1 and maxed-out. My primary computer driver is music - at a hobby level - so I need lots of horsepower for virtual instruments and plug-ins, but graphic needs are relatively modest. I’ve been holding-out for a new Mac Pro and I can keep waiting for a while to see what’s announced. I think there’s a pretty good chance that I’ll be priced-out of the Mac Pro and will end-up with a high spec 27” iMac instead, which honestly looks like a pretty terrific value, though I think would have a shorter life-span.
Hoping to learn more at WWDC.
- A Mini ITX-ish size case that is the love child of the current Mac Mini design language mated with the accessibility of the cheesegrater.
- Processor options starting around the power equivalent to the 8-core i9 currently used in the top-of-the-line iMac (that’s plenty for me) going up to 666-cores. (Could they just offer the i9 on the low end and Xeons on the high end? I’m not that tech savvy but guessing different chip families would require pretty different architectures.)
- Room for 2 or 3 full-size PCIe cards.
- Make nice with Nvidia and expand the inclusion of GPU drivers built into Mac OS, facilitating more GPU options and upgradability down the road so Mac users don’t keep getting soaked overpaying for limited and outdated graphics cards.
- Room and ability to easily expand RAM and internal storage after initial purchase.
- A small amount of port connectivity easily accessible on the front.
- In the online store custom configurator, when selecting RAM, hard drive, and video card, make “none” an option that reduces the price a little. (I know, put down the crack pipe…)
- Starting price: $2699 (price of the iMac with i9 option but you’re trading the screen for flexibility)
- Orders next week; shipping in July.
- Something that looks really cool (but that doesn’t matter to me for this device).
- Better end-user internal upgradability than the trash can, but still some near deal-breaker that makes me shake my head, like soldered, non-upgradable storage (along with an excuse why the machine is better this way).
- No ports on the front.
- I don’t think the modular Lego thing is happening. I think when Apple was talking about modular, they meant screen + CPU.
- Starting price: $3500. Shipping “later this year,” meaning probably December.
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I’ve been in the Apple camp since the Apple ][ and have owned Mac towers for over 20 years since the first beige G3. Currently running a 4.1 cheesgrater upgraded to 5.1 and maxed-out. My primary computer driver is music - at a hobby level - so I need lots of horsepower for virtual instruments and plug-ins, but graphic needs are relatively modest. I’ve been holding-out for a new Mac Pro and I can keep waiting for a while to see what’s announced. I think there’s a pretty good chance that I’ll be priced-out of the Mac Pro and will end-up with a high spec 27” iMac instead, which honestly looks like a pretty terrific value, though I think would have a shorter life-span.
Hoping to learn more at WWDC.
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And how much extra does all of that T-Bolt nonsense add to the cost of the computer?
When I specced out the tcmp, I would had budget an additional $1,600 to replace missing functionality. Which was why I passed on the tcmp.
So, you would make yet another tcmp?
Rome would be a better solution - 8 cores to 64 cores and all of those lovely PCIe lanes, but you are right about the Xeons - nothing is more Apple than having to pay more money for less performance.
Dude, seriously, your repeating this over & over is not going to make it happen...
We'll see. Pushed far enough down the road Intel Xe could be a candidate ( especially if Apple highly lobbied for them to come into existence in the first place. )
Should fear 4 RAM slots. If they are still shooting for literal desktop size restrictions it probably will only have 4.
A "big socket" W-3000 series and 6 DIMMs lots should case a bit of fear price sensitive ( since Apple will probably fill all 6 in the entry configuration).
That is probably coming so not sure if "fear" should be the correct emotion to engage. The bigger fear should be that it is the only internal storage drive. [ there should be a path off the > 1TB SSD capacity on a supplemental drive. That means Apple may crank up the minimal configuration capacity. ]
Really should be a fear of a mismatch between TDP of major component and the cooling envelope Apple's cooling subsystem. TDP creep ..... both AMD and Intel have scoped creeped if looking relative to the 2009-2010 era offerings.
2 x M.2 slots or . . . 2 or 3 widely spaced PCIe x 16 lane slots
1 x USB 3.1 ( for external drive docks )
2 x TB
4 x DDR 4 or 5 RAM slots.
Easily pgrade-able CPU socket
No internal SATA ports at all.
Nvidia drivers
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That would be enough for me.
1 x USB 3.1 ( for external drive docks )
2 x TB
4 x DDR 4 or 5 RAM slots.
Easily pgrade-able CPU socket
No internal SATA ports at all.
Nvidia drivers
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That would be enough for me.
I think its very unlikely we'll see anything that is standard spec - like PCIe ports, hard drive bays etc. I don't think it'll look anything like a regular computer case; more in concept like the trash can, but with components you can add/change.
I'm thinking the modularity will come from Apple selling proprietary modules themselves, and with limited options. Maybe a changeable CPU and GPU/s, RAM. They might suggest using Thunderbolt (4?) for other kinds of expansion.
I'm thinking the modularity will come from Apple selling proprietary modules themselves, and with limited options. Maybe a changeable CPU and GPU/s, RAM. They might suggest using Thunderbolt (4?) for other kinds of expansion.
In my opinion, there isn't actually much benefit for Apple in using proprietary modules. Immediately after launch, people won't be looking to upgrade a just-purchased system. Then it won't be long until companies like OWC come along with their own versions of the modules, which would either be cheaper than or superior to Apple's (otherwise nobody would buy them).
Once we're at that point, there would be a split between people sticking with Apple for full AppleCare support, and people that can tolerate the occasional hiccup. So while Apple would get a bit of profit from the former group, I don't think it'd be a huge amount and it might not even offset the effort of coming up with the proprietary system in the first place.
What does modular actually mean? Will we get:
- cpu box
- sdd box
- gpu box
Does that also mean that this cpu box runs by itself with CPU with integrated GPU and on board SSD? Some kind of MacMiniPro?
- cpu box
- sdd box
- gpu box
Does that also mean that this cpu box runs by itself with CPU with integrated GPU and on board SSD? Some kind of MacMiniPro?
You're kidding, right?
I don't think we'll see anything tomorrow on the MP. And there'll be an outrage in our small community and somewhat in the Apple-centric tech press. Then we'll be back to our Mac Pro 7,1 threads again. It's like waiting for a unicorn to show up at this stage.