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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Those folks aren't at Apple anymore.
None of my mission critical apps are on iOS - nor will they be anytime in the next decade or so. Some of us do real work - which requires a real computer, not a phone on steroids.
AFA "aftermarket upgrades". The video rom for the gpus was on the motherboard, not the card - to upgrade those meant replacing the motherboard.
No, I wasn't the one arguing the Mac were going full ARM. Direct your question to that person.
I'm merely stating that Apple made applications are ready for ARM (if need be) and so are many of Adobe's applications.
Honestly, I'm not the one saying Apple is going ARM. You are simply making it up to be a bigger problem than it would be.
It wouldn't be worse than going from PPC to Intel. There would be a transition period like the last time and before that going from Carbon to Cocoa.
The last point is just so obvious. Yes, of course, they work with other companies?! What a shocker. No one is suggesting they are ditching Intel. They are, however, not obligated to either use Intel or AMD.
I'm still not the one saying Apple are going ARM for the desktop but if the industry is moving to ARM so are the applications.
I can't tell if you are being serious. It is quite rare for Apple to discontinue a model before the replacement is released (unless the model/line is being cancelled), much less discontinue a model two years before its replacement. And I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that Apple should "protect" people from overpaying for an Apple computer.
I don't know what planet people are on when they post online. Sorry to be blunt to those people. Outside their world of Windows enterprise, IT, military, etc its a different world. Macs and iOS are completely dominant in anything media, entertainment, design, creative, journalism. A small smattering of PCs will be in those places. Same in wealthier cities. Go to any cafe. You see mostly customers have Apple. Outside cities then its obviously cheap PCs because they have less money. Stating obvious things doh
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If you sell a motherboard then you have to sell a case because brand visibility is important. So really that means bare bones system. But if you offer bare bones system then there are two choices. You offer upgrades or you tell PC/Hackintosh guys to 'Bring Your Own Components'. They take the CPU, ram, GPU, drives from their existing system and stick it in the bare bones Mac Pro.
This can be done if macOS only works on an Apple motherboard with T series SMC. It would have to be unpatchable unhackable OS. Then all those Hackintosh guys would say OK I'll buy the bare bones Mac Pro and put my components in there.
Which is it, Macs or iOS ? You are actually confusing the two, aren't you ?
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Again, Macs and iOS and its devices are two very different things .
Macs - Apple computers running OSX - are no longer domininant in any of the fields you mention, and in most setups of significant size they feed into an array of servers/workstations which are running Windows or Linux .
Shows clearly that it’s about time to retire the cMP: A 2018 mini i7 destroys that upgraded cMP in single core (5666 vs 2993) and is close in multi-core (24315 vs 26317) - with a fraction of footprint and energy consumption.Here, some porn to release the tension
So it rather raised the tension - but thanks for trying
This thread is running at a fever pitch!
I almost WANT there to be no Mac Pro news, just because that will make this thread even more fun!
I almost WANT there to be no Mac Pro news, just because that will make this thread even more fun!
People, if any Mac was going ARM this year, Guilherme Rambo and Steven Troughton-Smith would already have found the code to support it in the macOS 10.15 betas.
And before people respond with "but Apple would not have yet released a version with that code outside of their labs until WWDC", yeah... This is the Apple that is themselves responsible for some of the biggest leaks over the last two years due to not properly policing their public-facing code that those two gentlemen have sussed-out.
IMO, the first Mac to go ARM will be the MacBook. The MacBook Air is on the 7W Amber Lake and there is a 5W version that would work in the MacBook, so there is no reason for Apple to not have updated it yet on those grounds. There is also no reason to wait until WWDC to announce a case redesign because the only change would be adding a second USB-C port (or replacing the existing USB-C port with a TB3/USB-C port).
And as to that ARM MacBook, IMO we won't hear about that until macOS 10.16 at the earliest and I think even then it would depend on how quickly "Marzipan" macOS applications appear once 10.15 is in general release.
And before people respond with "but Apple would not have yet released a version with that code outside of their labs until WWDC", yeah... This is the Apple that is themselves responsible for some of the biggest leaks over the last two years due to not properly policing their public-facing code that those two gentlemen have sussed-out.
IMO, the first Mac to go ARM will be the MacBook. The MacBook Air is on the 7W Amber Lake and there is a 5W version that would work in the MacBook, so there is no reason for Apple to not have updated it yet on those grounds. There is also no reason to wait until WWDC to announce a case redesign because the only change would be adding a second USB-C port (or replacing the existing USB-C port with a TB3/USB-C port).
And as to that ARM MacBook, IMO we won't hear about that until macOS 10.16 at the earliest and I think even then it would depend on how quickly "Marzipan" macOS applications appear once 10.15 is in general release.
You have replied to a 50 years old professional who posted an expert opinion of 30 years experience not some random 18 years old person in a forum. I'm traveling between Paris, New York, London, Hamburg, Berlin every month. In front of my eyes I see 95% percent Macs used by the clients and partners. From 100 to 1500 employees depending on business we consult. In the sectors I mentioned. I know we are anonymous on these forum things and you can't see the professional experience of members but please don't belittle.
These huge companies will not move to a PC. In these sectors. Impossible. They are deeply entrenched with what macOS offers that Windows cannot offer. For them usability is extremely important and that comes with things like Finder Labels (massively important, without it all these companies will be crippled), QuickLook (huge time saver) etc
I said they have a smattering of PCs. They are used for some CG, the IT backends, some cross platform work, etc. But it is no more than 5%.
iPads are more widely used than PCs in fact. In these sectors I mention. They use it for many tasks, including IT management.
No, but I do recall we knew Apple had OS X on Intel in the lab because it was clear PowerPC was not going to be able to compete long-term.
And Apple back then was much better at keeping secrets than Apple today (for a variety of reasons) so it's not really a fair analogy to compare the two eras.
NeXT ran on Intel - that support was never dropped, but not explicitly exposed.
If 25 year old release history is relevant then sure, why not a bare motherboard because Apple did that in 1976. I'm going to brush up on release patterns under John Sculley to gain insights in the new Mac Pro.
Phil: You know what I’m gonna troll all those bitter dwellers on MacRumors.com.
Craig: Yeah, lets hold a fireside chat with a few bloggers and see what kind of response we get...
Phil: We can even give them that “thermal corner” line.
Craig: If it gains traction we can do another one a year later and then say it’s not a ‘2018’ product, and see how many we still have hanging on every word.
Phil: Then wait until WWDC and pull out ‘can’t troll anymore my ass’-that’ll show ‘em.
*apple senior management coffee meeting sometime in late 2016/early 2017
Craig: Yeah, lets hold a fireside chat with a few bloggers and see what kind of response we get...
Phil: We can even give them that “thermal corner” line.
Craig: If it gains traction we can do another one a year later and then say it’s not a ‘2018’ product, and see how many we still have hanging on every word.
Phil: Then wait until WWDC and pull out ‘can’t troll anymore my ass’-that’ll show ‘em.
*apple senior management coffee meeting sometime in late 2016/early 2017
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