We switched to PC and are larger than the 1500 headcount you listed. They are the standard in VFX. Sometimes windows, sometimes Linux. There are still a few Macs kicking around in the art department.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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We switched to PC and are larger than the 1500 headcount you listed. They are the standard in VFX. Sometimes windows, sometimes Linux. There are still a few Macs kicking around in the art department.
My final want/guess is most likely Intel but I think it's a mistake.
My Wishlist:
AMD Mac Pro brain choice between: AMD socket AM4 570 with a 6 core, 8 core, 12 core up to 64 GB or RAM and TR3 Threadripper 3 up to 64 cores & 128 GB RAM. USB4 and 10GBe Ethernet, NVME FOR O/S
Some sort of direct to PCIe 4.0 breakout cable to stack each module into the MacPro brain.
Graphics module with options of AMD Navi and Nvidia graphics cards.
Some sort of custom Apple ARM sled for gawd knows what
Most of everything else could be provided by third part peripheral manufacturers. Plugging directly into the PCIe or USB4
Which would include RAID NVME drive sleds, SSD RAID drives and traditional hard drives (QNAP and Synology)
Breakout boxes for video capture cards, audio PCIe cards etc etc
I guess we will see tomorrow, If the price is out of this world (not competitive) I will probably make a new hackinstosh and buy the Apple 6K monitor
My Wishlist:
AMD Mac Pro brain choice between: AMD socket AM4 570 with a 6 core, 8 core, 12 core up to 64 GB or RAM and TR3 Threadripper 3 up to 64 cores & 128 GB RAM. USB4 and 10GBe Ethernet, NVME FOR O/S
Some sort of direct to PCIe 4.0 breakout cable to stack each module into the MacPro brain.
Graphics module with options of AMD Navi and Nvidia graphics cards.
Some sort of custom Apple ARM sled for gawd knows what
Most of everything else could be provided by third part peripheral manufacturers. Plugging directly into the PCIe or USB4
Which would include RAID NVME drive sleds, SSD RAID drives and traditional hard drives (QNAP and Synology)
Breakout boxes for video capture cards, audio PCIe cards etc etc
I guess we will see tomorrow, If the price is out of this world (not competitive) I will probably make a new hackinstosh and buy the Apple 6K monitor
the Mac Pro 2013 model. There is a decent chance. Some folks want to make a big deal out of the 2013 model getting to the 2,000 mark. Technically they could drop it before. Wink out the 'Mac Pro' for 3-4 months and then wink in a new 'Mac Pro'. ( In 2013, the 2012 model had already been stopped in the EU before they even demo'ed the 2013 version. Once the more formal announcement in October the 2012 model was done before 2013 model shipped.) Apple could just make the gap bigger.
The 2012 model... that is already at EOL. ( It is on the vintage list). That may be the bigger short term issue if it is being cut off from macOS 10.15.
There are no leak/rumours about Lego Mac Pro, neither a diy Apple Mac Pro motherboard. Kit, years ago (pre- new culpa 2017 amigos event), a darknet leaker talked about a PCIe kit to convert some STD server motherboards into a full blown Mac Pro, thus kit is likely to exist but only for Apple's r&d purposes, I don't see the logic to sell (and support it) as Apple products (it's essentially a hakingtosh kit), no business case for apple.
Only rumours with some chance are the mini-tower cheese grater/trashcan hybrid, and the trashcan][ an bigger trashcan with updated components and twice TDP done right), but there's also chance for nothing.
Personally I'd like to see a Threadripper III/Epyc Rome Mac pro with full PCIe 4 support, thunderbolt 3, AMD Vega vega 20 Navi nVidia Volta/Turing GPU option cartridge like GPU modules (vertical) with integrated cooling solution, I'm in love with gigabyte's PCIe 4 x16 nvme with 15gb/s transfer rate, it's triple faster than iMac pro.
About form factor, I'm ok with an revised trashcan as long the thermal core is split into 3 independent thermal solutions and allow at least GPU upgrades with apple or apple blessed GPU boards, it would require at least 900 W TDP, done with heatpipes it could be barely 50% bigger than '13 tcMP.
My bigger issues are about to opencl reinstall (v 2.x) and IOMMU support, essential for serious ml work inside macOS.
Only rumours with some chance are the mini-tower cheese grater/trashcan hybrid, and the trashcan][ an bigger trashcan with updated components and twice TDP done right), but there's also chance for nothing.
Personally I'd like to see a Threadripper III/Epyc Rome Mac pro with full PCIe 4 support, thunderbolt 3, AMD Vega vega 20 Navi nVidia Volta/Turing GPU option cartridge like GPU modules (vertical) with integrated cooling solution, I'm in love with gigabyte's PCIe 4 x16 nvme with 15gb/s transfer rate, it's triple faster than iMac pro.
About form factor, I'm ok with an revised trashcan as long the thermal core is split into 3 independent thermal solutions and allow at least GPU upgrades with apple or apple blessed GPU boards, it would require at least 900 W TDP, done with heatpipes it could be barely 50% bigger than '13 tcMP.
My bigger issues are about to opencl reinstall (v 2.x) and IOMMU support, essential for serious ml work inside macOS.
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Moving to ARM without a near real time virtualization engine to run Windows, Linux, etc, would be catastrophic to the pro platform. Like it or not there are many, many windows apps that will never come to the Mac platform. Not every "pro" lives in the media universe, some of us are using things like Revit, Autocad (Still crippled on Mac), and other. Bluebeam just announced that they are ending development of Bluebeam on the Mac. I also deal with many, many configuration apps for control systems that are Windows only. These don't need the performance of the MacPro, but I do need all of these with the previously mentioned apps.
That also describes, more or less, a BitMain brand ("Antminer" or other similar type) of cryotomining machine.
Except that those machines can have up to 128 or more specialized CPU's inside.
But are only good for computations done with certain cryptomining algorithms.
I don't say those Photoshop "leaks", but the ones not available outside darknet sites, those talks about a cheese grater turned 90degress with vertical airflow and 2 modular GPU s semi custom, with some provisions for COTS GPUs, the other rumours are about an essentially taller tcMP with improved TDP and updated internal but basically the same ideology as the original tcMP.
Which is why this will be one of the last Intel Macs.
Geekbench isn't everything yet 8th gen i7s put the old Mac Pro in a worse place. This modular Mac Pro update is long overdue, even the trashcan is is getting overrun by Intel's core counts.
Not been reading the websites' front page the past few weeks, I see.
Fortunately, the site's staff was nice enough to put it all into a single update: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/wwdc-2019-what-to-expect/
Of course they will! What do you think is in the glowing box except for the magical 7,1!
(artist disclaimer, only added box and glow)
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We've lived through PPC to Intel. Who in their right mind thinks Apple wouldn't have a similar Rosetta solution for the ARM transition?
People freaking out about the move to ARM is understandable from the standpoint of being concerned about their software. But at this point the 'niche' software is all that Intel stuff. Apple is clearly prepped the decks with Marzipan to outdo Microsoft's original idea of one app, all devices, and the Mac playing nice with iOS is overall and long-term far more important than playing nice with Windows.
Ok brainiacs . This is where the rubber hits the road.
The Day before predictions.
Mine is Apple will preview the new Cheesegrate Mac Pro.
AMD and Nvidia graphics support.
The Day before predictions.
Mine is Apple will preview the new Cheesegrate Mac Pro.
AMD and Nvidia graphics support.
What I do t quite understand is this... the ARM transition tumor has been floating for years and gaining more traction, even with some analysts suggesting that WWDC 19 or 20 could be when the announcement and plans are presented... why on earth would Apple release a Mac Pro that would be practically defunct in such a short span-I mean seriously it would have spent more time in ‘development’ then it would on a shelf in Apple’s stores. At that point why not a quick upgrade to a reasonable chassis and then put everything into ARM, instead of these fire side chat with bloggers.
I’d say anyone who understands the technical aspects of an Intel to ARM transition. A move to ARM means the end of Boot Camp. It means the end of efficient virtualization (VMware Fusion, Parallels, Virtual Box). All you’re left with is old school emulation (like Rosetta was) which is a huge step backwards in performance and capability.
The only reason Rosetta was viable was because the Intel processors so vastly outclassed the aging G4 and G5 processors. The performance differential was sufficient to make emulation mostly usable (although it still wasn’t all that great)
ARM on the high end (Mac Pro, iMac Pro) is optimistically a lateral move in performance, and even that has not been demonstrated. There’s an argument to be made for it on the low end, but there are a lot of unproven unknowns when you’re talking about swapping in an ARM for a Xeon.
It’s not nearly as simple and seamless as some seem to want to believe.
There will not be ARM on a Mac Pro,Macbook Pro,iMac pro.
As far as any O/S running on ARM remember Apple had a version of OSX running on the iPhone when it was in developnment so its not like they dont have some version running on ARM.
As far as any O/S running on ARM remember Apple had a version of OSX running on the iPhone when it was in developnment so its not like they dont have some version running on ARM.
Last minute prediction:
10-core Cascade Lake Xeon CPU
RTX 2060 Base GPU
16GB RAM standard
256GB NVME STandard
WiFi
Ethernet
Apple KB and mouse
MSRP: $3999
will have PCIe5 or PCIe4 (Apple has no choice but integrate this, IMO)
will have 4 PCIe slots
SATA ports
Sleds for drives
It will be like a Big Cube with really cool design and modules. Very easy to swap things in and out of.
Basically got rid of those awful cables/wires inherent in a typical PC (you know what I'm talking about)
I can't wait to be right, tomorrow!
Peace out!
10-core Cascade Lake Xeon CPU
RTX 2060 Base GPU
16GB RAM standard
256GB NVME STandard
WiFi
Ethernet
Apple KB and mouse
MSRP: $3999
will have PCIe5 or PCIe4 (Apple has no choice but integrate this, IMO)
will have 4 PCIe slots
SATA ports
Sleds for drives
It will be like a Big Cube with really cool design and modules. Very easy to swap things in and out of.
Basically got rid of those awful cables/wires inherent in a typical PC (you know what I'm talking about)
I can't wait to be right, tomorrow!
Peace out!
The obstacles of running macOS and deploying Macs on ARM are there but they can be overcome, though with the current Apple with its lack of ambition on the Mac front it doesn't seem like they will put in the effort. On the other hand, the rather long delay of not having anything replacing the trashcan is almost unexplainable, unless Apple was waiting for a major component to be ready, and it may just well be their own CPU...
Well we are only half a day away from the truth anyway. Even if nothing of substance is announced today, I am sure I will be entertained either way lol.
Well we are only half a day away from the truth anyway. Even if nothing of substance is announced today, I am sure I will be entertained either way lol.
Even if Intel were to bring forth hardware mitigations, it'll still slow the chips down. Intel needs a radically new architecture from the ground up for it to leave the attack vector road. It's probably why they hired Keller last year to work on a new architecture for them. If the Mac Pro is delayed for that alone, you're looking at 2021-2023 before something new pops up. While the smart decision is to go with Threadripper 3 or whatever, but this is Apple we're talking about. Smart hasn't been around since Steve passed away.
Though for what it's worth, Ryzen in general is ECC capable, but I believe can only do 1 bit error profiling.
The problem with these vector attacks is you wouldn't know if it hit you or not. And we don't know what else lies in Intel's immediate future in the form of bad news concerning attack vectors.
Mozilla has put out some software mitigations for Firefox, Microsoft and Apple did their own part to help. Intel will be releasing microcode updates next month. The big take away is you could have been infected and you wouldn't ever known until months or years down the road when stuff turns up on the web or worse.
For enterprise, small business, big business, and even render farms, these mitigations slow down work but also are required unless you want to willingly put customer data at risk or not be able to check in with authentication servers for whatever software you're running, at least for render farms.
Speaking for myself, as I prefer to build my own workstations and pop into this thread to give my opinion or correct people, I'm very much going back to AMD after having not used them since Athlon64. I don't see why I should pay for anything Intel when I know this won't be the last time we hear about and Intel architecture fault. The 3900X sings to me, but the rumor of a 16 core Ryzen processor is drool worthy.
The fact that Intel knew about some of these architecture faults and still sold chips and tried to bribe researchers leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They haven't ever learned their lessons over the decades.
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Though for what it's worth, Ryzen in general is ECC capable, but I believe can only do 1 bit error profiling.
The problem with these vector attacks is you wouldn't know if it hit you or not. And we don't know what else lies in Intel's immediate future in the form of bad news concerning attack vectors.
Mozilla has put out some software mitigations for Firefox, Microsoft and Apple did their own part to help. Intel will be releasing microcode updates next month. The big take away is you could have been infected and you wouldn't ever known until months or years down the road when stuff turns up on the web or worse.
For enterprise, small business, big business, and even render farms, these mitigations slow down work but also are required unless you want to willingly put customer data at risk or not be able to check in with authentication servers for whatever software you're running, at least for render farms.
Speaking for myself, as I prefer to build my own workstations and pop into this thread to give my opinion or correct people, I'm very much going back to AMD after having not used them since Athlon64. I don't see why I should pay for anything Intel when I know this won't be the last time we hear about and Intel architecture fault. The 3900X sings to me, but the rumor of a 16 core Ryzen processor is drool worthy.
The fact that Intel knew about some of these architecture faults and still sold chips and tried to bribe researchers leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They haven't ever learned their lessons over the decades.
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Yep. Plus, places like that will likely be using W10 Enterprise or LTSB, which is very far removed from typical Windows 10.
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They' re waiting for 10 years, tcMP's expiration date, as they have already said (2013+10=2023)
Hopefully not!
Whatever happens, it is almost guaranteed to be high drama or high comedy. The chance of Apple underdelivering or pulling an AirPower is really high imo.