Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
- Thread starter Mago
- Start date
-
- Tags
- macpro 2016
- Sort by reaction score
My guess is about 45K fully loaded(28core, 1.5TB RAM, 4TB SSD, 2x Vega II duo)
-6K base model
-7.5K 28core CPU(usually Apple charges similar price of the retailer version and do not subtract the price of the CPU included in the base configuration)
-25/30K 1.5TB RAM(256GB are about 5K on the iMacPro)
-1.2K 4TB SSD(is the same dual drive of the iMacPro and that's what Apple charge actually for that)
-6K for 2x VegaII duo GPU or 1.5K for a single VegaII
Of course it can be a lot less(about half of that) by upgrading CPU(non M variant), SSD, GPU, and especially RAM by yourself.
I can be wrong.
-6K base model
-7.5K 28core CPU(usually Apple charges similar price of the retailer version and do not subtract the price of the CPU included in the base configuration)
-25/30K 1.5TB RAM(256GB are about 5K on the iMacPro)
-1.2K 4TB SSD(is the same dual drive of the iMacPro and that's what Apple charge actually for that)
-6K for 2x VegaII duo GPU or 1.5K for a single VegaII
Of course it can be a lot less(about half of that) by upgrading CPU(non M variant), SSD, GPU, and especially RAM by yourself.
I can be wrong.
Or about 50% less, if you are willing to give up OSX. Of course, at 50% less, you would be stuck with 64 cores (or more, if you go with a dual CPU motherboard), but I am sure you could learn to deal with having all that extra horsepower.....
End of the month.........
Apple will be still trying to figure out what do on their 2020 MP7.1. End of the month and I'm moving on.......I'll purchase a used one down the road this is just taking way to long for a freaking computer.
Please not this again..... at least just copy and paste your previous post so that you can save some time.Or about 50% less, if you are willing to give up OSX. Of course, at 50% less, you would be stuck with 64 cores (or more, if you go with a dual CPU motherboard), but I am sure you could learn to deal with having all that extra horsepower.....
If you like it that much why don't you just buy an Epyc system and marry it? in the mean while you should leave this thread since you are obviously not interested in this machine for whatever reason. I have many good reason to buy a MacOS/Intel workstation, but you can be sure that I don't go trolling on Windows/AMD forum telling people how good my machine is and how bad are their choice.
Really, it's a very childish attitude, buy whatever you want and be happy
You're a "glass half full" kind of guy, I take it.
"Fall" in the Northern Hemisphere is:
When is Fall 2019?
Fall 2019 started on Monday, September 23, 2019 (23 days ago) and ends on Sunday, December 22nd 2019 (in 67 days). Calendar for 2019
Apple has more than two months to meet their deadline.
You're a "glass half full" kind of guy, I take it.
edit: that's all I can say.
GPUs could cost even the half I estimated, from 1000$ for single vega II, to 3800 for two vega II duo, these are the lowest cost case scenario
Step ahead? Apple was using Mac Pros in live demos at WWDC 4 months ago. "Demo units"? Apple has had those for at least for months before these folks had them. Just because Apple isn't selling these in volume doesn't mean there aren't key customers covered in NDA that aren't running them.
Once in full gear , the Mac Pro scale production is extremely likely going to dwarf anything these copy clone folks do ( if make it past Apple lawyers. ). Apple has made short run Mac Pros. The gap appears to be running a production line at scale and full speed ( and on the 'right' continent. ).
Not really. Knockoffs reversed from iPhone cases designs trickle out in the months after they leak. The primarily thing that makes this a " new mac pro" clone is simply the faceplate the detachable faceplate. The design on the back is more similar to the decade old "drilled holes" of the old classic era Mac Pro case. Churning that out isn't 'wild' at all since it is more than 10 years old.
Probably sooner. Not by months, but closer to USA Thanksgiving than mid December. [ I'd guess that they are shipping over heavier stuff by boat and there is a 40-47 day lead time to ramp they didn't account for months ago and won't start large volume ramp until late October - early November. About 4 weeks to build inventory before opening the flood gates. Better times if someone wasn't asleep at the wheel in July and initial boat trip is about done (or completed) at this time. ]
I am so bored of people banging on the friggin' PC drum. "Bla blah Ryzen, blah blah Epyc, blah blah PCI 5, blah blah cheap and powerful, blah blah CUDA." If I wanted to buy a sodding PC I'd have bought one 20 years ago. Just give it rest will ya? Many people on here are excited to be buying the new Mac Pro, so go rain on someone else's parade.
Indeed. We all would much prefer that it was out already, or at least the BTO options were visible, that it would be cheaper, that it would support all the latest tech p0rn, but why keep stepping on it with the same old arguments?! It is what it is, like it or not. If it doesn't fit one's needs, I guess moving on is the right choice. I'm pretty sure there's a forum out there where people build their own mMP rip off with all sorts of awesome parts. There would be a much better place to show off your mMP wanna be, right?
Or wait till 2021 (later for the nmMP probably) for all the good stuff coming (octa channel DDR5, PCIe5, LGA 4677, whatever turns you on).
Be constructive here, please.
Or wait till 2021 (later for the nmMP probably) for all the good stuff coming (octa channel DDR5, PCIe5, LGA 4677, whatever turns you on).
Be constructive here, please.
It all depends on how one defines constructive. IMO the negative comments about the 6,1 Mac Pro were constructive as they, IMO, ultimately led to Apple returning to an expandable Mac Pro aka the 7,1.
At the time the 6,1 was released I can recall all the calls for those who did not like it to go "complain" elsewhere (or stop doing it altogether). Much like I hear now when objections are raised about what the new Mac Pro is (or isn't) and what it costs. Sometimes "negativity" can be constructive.
If your jam is criticizing the 7,1 MP (sorry you don't have anything better to do) you should at least wait until its a shipping computer. Making pronouncements in advance of release undercuts any argument you make. Once there are actual performance metrics, make your case. Until then...
I doubt forum comments moved the dial at all in Apple's calculus on the nMP vs mMP. I'd bet it had mostly to due with revenue from the nMP (better stated, lack thereof) and market research performed by Apple themselves.
I don't expect there's anyone at Apple thinking "oh my! thisisnotmyname posted on MacRumors that they don't like our choice of GPU vendors, get me Craig and Tim stat!" ;-)
[QUOTE="thisisnotmyname, post: 27885422, member: 928343
I don't expect there's anyone at Apple thinking "oh my! thisisnotmyname posted on MacRumors that they don't like our choice of GPU vendors, get me Craig and Tim stat!" ;-)
[/QUOTE]
I suppose that now they are the navy... no pirates anymore in Cupertino
I don't expect there's anyone at Apple thinking "oh my! thisisnotmyname posted on MacRumors that they don't like our choice of GPU vendors, get me Craig and Tim stat!" ;-)
[/QUOTE]
I suppose that now they are the navy... no pirates anymore in Cupertino
Two things:
- I did not criticize the 7,1.
- People can criticize what they do know about the 7,1 , such as base configuration and price, despite the fact it has not shipped. Doing so does not undercut that argument.
I didn't place any constraints on the 6,1 criticism which would limit it only to this forum and / or its members.
Last edited:
There are no 7,1’s available to ship to reviewers. Step ahead.
Key customers possibly having NDA hardware is a complete unknown. It’s as logical as arguing that Tim Cook has a production model iPhone 12 in his basement.
What he said is that Apple has preproduction demo units they can supply to people, which I've also heard. I don't know if those units are going to professional reviewers.
Apple has likely been doing test runs, even if you can't order them. The units at WWDC were fully functional and complete.
Those Ryzen 3 CPUs are so powerful though they blow away Intel's most expensive chips for less money and the only reason that Apple continues to use Intel chips is so that they can keep getting their volume discounts, not for the customer's benefit. I guess since macOS isn't going to run on those chips it is a moot point but damn is it tempting to build a Ryzen rig right now so I can get the speeds I need. PCIe 4.0 is future proofing as SSDs are already pushing the boundaries of PCIe 3.0 x4 which will limit the Mac Pro's long-term viability. If you have a mixed Mac and Windows workflow you have some tough choices to make right now with Apple switching Macs to use their own Arm processors next year. Mac Pro is a good investment but maybe it's time to bite the bullet and get a Ryzen setup and learn Premiere on Windows.
Apple will probably be off of x86 from either OEM by the middle of next decade, anyway, so what does it matter. The future is A-Series, be it ARM-based or Apple licensing x86 to manufacturer their own chips. You can be confident Apple is already testing that future in their labs today.
Just test runs? hmmm...
I can't talk about certain things but I can repeat that Apple made a public statement that they will "begin production soon at the same Austin facility where Mac Pro has been made since 2013." I know the cool thing to do in the forums is to not believe Apple and talk about December 23rd pre-order dates but people should really listen to that statement. "SOON" That statement was made several weeks ago, a lot can happen in that time period. That's all I can say on the matter.