MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[deconstruct60]

Feeling I got with the 580 is that Apple wanted a cheaper option for supplying the onboard Thunderbolt ports with video for people who want to add their own PC Card. If you’re bringing your own generic card, just need something basic to keep the Thunderbolt video out working.

Not just PC GPU Card. It also includes the group bringing their own PCI-e NVMe SSD M.2 carrier card. Both that and the 580X module can fit in one MPX Bay. If the user need is two HDMI ports to two 4K (or less) mainstream monitors then basically done in terms of GPUs ( and will have bypass Apples SSD $/GB tax. ) .
Not everyone needs 10-bit, HDR monitors to get work done. There is also a substantive fraction of the Mac Pro user population that never did buy into Thunderbolt docking station monitors so that "feed" aspect won't necessarily be high need there.

 

[danwells]

Why would you want the Thunderbolt video outs if you were bringing another GPU? Wouldn't you connect your monitor to your best GPU (or is it just for consistency's sake? Apple doesn't want ports where some function doesn't always work)?

You'd need to have a LOT of SSD (or other) needs to care about the extra (very hot) slot next to the GPU. Remember that there are four more PCI-e slots not in MPX bays - all valid (and cooler) spots for that SSD carrier card, which I agree that many users will have, maybe even a couple of them. If the 580x is in play, there are likely to be two more slots in the other MPX bay - an ancient 580x plus a second GPU seems like a weird configuration (unless there's some subtlety like a GPU that works, but only after boot - the 580x is left in only for boot).

 

[Pressure]

It's mildly infuriating that MacOS still do not support Multi-Stream Transport. It works if you boot Windows or Linux on a real Mac.

 

[ct2k7]

So September was a miss for release, are they doing a Christmas release, with pre-orders starting in November or late October?

 

[Coyote2006]

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So September was a miss for release, are they doing a Christmas release, with pre-orders starting in November or late October?

My guess: pre-order starts by the end of October, delivery in quantities Feb 2020. If I remeber right that was also the case with the trashcan MacPro and the iMacPro, but I might be wrong...

 

[thevault]

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My guess: pre-order starts by the end of October, delivery in quantities Feb 2020. If I remeber right that was also the case with the trashcan MacPro and the iMacPro, but I might be wrong...

If I can't order a MP7.1 by Oct 31st and have it in hands within a few days I'll purchase a used one in a year or more...

This is taking way to long to just purchase a computer 6 years for the introduction, 5 months and counting for release date then delivery date....crazy

 

[majus]

Hoping for at least pricing this coming week, October 14-18.

 

[goMac]

Why would you want the Thunderbolt video outs if you were bringing another GPU? Wouldn't you connect your monitor to your best GPU (or is it just for consistency's sake? Apple doesn't want ports where some function doesn't always work)?

...I’m not entirely sure what happens if there is no video being feed to the Mac Pro Thunderbolt ports.

The machine might stay working but the ports will definitely be out of spec.

Even if you don’t like Thunderbolt, it may be out of spec for USB3, and possibly even more so for USB4.

The feeling I got was that just to not have to deal with those issues that Apple wanted a basic card that would be tucked out of the way so that people might feel less compelled to need to pull it and cause issues.

It’s a bit like the people who keep a GT120 around for boot screens. (This is not saying the nMP won’t support boot screens on PC Cards. Not at all what I’m trying to say.)

It also might make sense for compute GPUs, especially if you’re using an Ultrafine 5k or Pro Display XDR which require Thunderbolt.

 

[shuto]

It also might make sense for compute GPUs, especially if you’re using an Ultrafine 5k or Pro Display XDR which require Thunderbolt.

Are people guessing that along with the 580x you would be able to put in two PC Cards powered from the 8 pin connections?

I wasn’t sure if the 580x would block one of the 8pin connections.

think that would be a good way for to save money over buying vega II.

580x + Radeon VII + Radeon VII
would be pretty close to a vega II duo in terms of GPU rendering speed.
(But would be noisier and less pretty and less ram, but Radeon VII is still a good card)

And then could always put them into eGPU boxes if better MPX cards come along.

 

[skippermonkey]

Like many on here, I'm really running out patience. If this endless silence is Apple's new way of communicating with its pro customers, god help us when they go quiet. Throw us a frickin' bone will ya!?

 

[AlexMaximus]

Are people guessing that along with the 580x you would be able to put in two PC Cards powered from the 8 pin connections?

I wasn’t sure if the 580x would block one of the 8pin connections.

think that would be a good way for to save money over buying vega II.

580x + Radeon VII + Radeon VII
would be pretty close to a vega II duo in terms of GPU rendering speed.
(But would be noisier and less pretty and less ram, but Radeon VII is still a good card)

And then could always put them into eGPU boxes if better MPX cards come along.

On top of that, the Vega VII aftermarket upgrade opens up regular monitor usage with display port connectors. This means one can use the older Apple 27 Displays. This is basicly the poor man's escape option for semi pro's like me...

 

[goMac]

On top of that, the Vega VII aftermarket upgrade opens up regular monitor usage with display port connectors. This means one can use the older Apple 27 Displays. This is basicly the poor man's escape option for semi pro's like me...

You can use DisplayPort and MDP displays with Thunderbolt ports as well. I use my 27” Apple display with a $20 adapter all the time.

 

[Mago]

Last Friday was our last day with the trashcan Mac Pro, it still performs very well but, and was glorious when working with Intel PSXE but we moved to CUDA/SYCL/Linux while in a couple of years is very likely we could fully develop HPC compute applications from macOS, this is not the present state, to keep our edge from about a year ago we began to migrate our projects both to linux-based PSXE/codeXL and to CUDA (before we only developed accelerators for x86), our experience wasn't as smooth as it theoretically should have been (hpc vendors on easy multi platform development still overrates their arguments).

The part related to PSXE/codeXL native development wasn't difficult as log your IDE run local the same machine you compile/debug, for python/jupyter as long you can install docker it's somewhat easy, but then comes CUDA, it's tricky to setup it's development environment in Linux, it's time consuming, and the IDEs are also a mixed bag, theoretically you can code CUDA from any notepad app as with every c/c++ but debugging, code completion, insights etc are another question, the Best route (and maybe only practical) is to code/debug thru nsight (eclipse) ide, even you can do remote development as long you have eclipse at both ends, alternatives as clion or vs code, are not ready, remote development with PSXE/codeXL thru eclipse works as good as local in macOS, and python/tensorflow thru jupyter or vscode are really enjoying, but everything took a lot of time, but finally we have a productive workflow with mostly "remote" coding from the Mac, w/o macOS restrictions, it's not the same and the worst part is your target maybe won't run ever in a Mac, neither can integrate into a Mac app, but for those in HPC is nothing to care of, so until there comes a Mac pro with nVidia/Cuda SYCL TF2 support, i have nothing to do with a Mac pro an iMac even a Mac mini is up for us . We have a shared compute sever built around a 16core threadripper and a gp100 GPU, we study to try an Zen 3 with an Radeon instinct mi50 later once SYCL 2 on ROCm is good enough.

 

[Korican100]

Is there anywhere i can see the configuration options w/ prices for the new mac pro? I could have SWORN i did it already, but i can't find it. I think i hallucinated, but its worth someone validating im a moron. Anyone know?

 

[Nugget]

Is there anywhere i can see the configuration options w/ prices for the new mac pro? I could have SWORN i did it already, but i can't find it. I think i hallucinated, but its worth someone validating im a moron. Anyone know?

They have not released any configuration pricing. There was a post/thread here on MacRumors where people were posting speculation based on competitor pricing and component costs, which may be what you are dimly recollecting. But there hasn't been anything official from Apple.

 

[deconstruct60]

Are people guessing that along with the 580x you would be able to put in two PC Cards powered from the 8 pin connections?

I wasn’t sure if the 580x would block one of the 8pin connections.

It may pragmatically block due to the cable routining pragmatically necessary. However, there is a very high likelihood that it does share power off the same "line" to the power supply. There very probably is not 8 pins of "power" on those sockets if the 580X is plugged in. So therefore would not get full nominal power that a VII would need.

think that would be a good way for to save money over buying vega II.

If can find VII after VEGA II ramps up production. Probably mainly talking about 75W range cards (bus power from the standard socket) cards in that second MPX Bay 1 slot. And sometimes something closer to 6-pin power range.

580x + Radeon VII + Radeon VII
would be pretty close to a vega II duo in terms of GPU rendering speed.

Depends upon if have any code that taps into Infinity Fabric. If so then a larger gap than is being implied here.

And then could always put them into eGPU boxes if better MPX cards come along.

 

[deconstruct60]

Hoping for at least pricing this coming week, October 14-18.

Probably not. If the rumors around the MBP 16" are on track then there probably will be something else later toward the end of the month. Probably would get weaved into that. Apple 'events' don't have super long invite lead times so still quite possible they will squeeze one in this month. (although that does get dim as this week's end approaches. )

Also unlikely they are going to put all of the pricing info out there until they are actively taking pre-orders. If they have screwed up manufacturing logistics then they probably still aren't that stage yet.

 

[AidenShaw]

May 31, 2016

• Most rumors point to Introductions at WWDC with availability not earlier than Q4'16

LOL whenever I see the tooltip popup on the title line - and see this prediction.

And, it's still correct - a lot of "not earliers" have passed since then.

PS: I there any way to disable that tooltip popup - or as least give it a "hover for 'n' seconds" option? That new "feature" is extremely annoying - it usually pops up and blocks what I'm reading.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Is there anywhere i can see the configuration options w/ prices for the new mac pro? I could have SWORN i did it already, but i can't find it. I think i hallucinated, but its worth someone validating im a moron. Anyone know?

You're a moron.

Sorry, couldn't resist. No they haven't released BTO pricing yet.

 

[ManuelGomes]

Seriously?!

PC component manufacturer clones new Mac Pro case | AppleInsider

The Dune Pro PC case has not only lifted the design of the Mac Pro's version, but also the presentation of the case itself, something which could call the attention of Apple's legal team.

appleinsider.com

Again, everybody hates Apple but copying their designs seems to be a thing

 

[Slash-2CPU]

I think it's hilarious that the 7,1 clone cases are out before the real 7,1.

 

[majus]

I think it's hilarious that the 7,1 clone cases are out before the real 7,1.

They are not out yet, just announced. It's a Kickstarter campaign.

 

[Slash-2CPU]

They are not out yet, just announced. It's a Kickstarter campaign.

They have units they can send to reviewers. Still a step ahead. These are the same people who sold a 6,1 knockoff case. I have little doubt they will produce these.

The existence of the knockoff as even a review model before real 7,1 is wild.

Last day of fall is Saturday Dec 21st. Bet orders for real 7,1 open the week before.

 

[Mago]

Assuming full loaded bto Mac pro 7,1 price is 25100 $, and keeping current iMac pro ram/storage/CPU tiers proportion, GPU upgrades should start at 2000$ (rx580 to single vega II and rise to 4-5k for first vega II duo and 8-9K for the 2nd vega II duo (4x GPU 96gb hbm}, CPU upgrades at 500$ for 10 cores and rise to 5000 for 28 cores (but maybe be only 3000 keeping latest Intel halves), storage/ram options likely will be more attractive diy day-0 upgrade as for dual 2tb PCIE SSD Apple should bill about 1200$ and for 384 gb ram not strange apple to bill 6k$ or more and leave 1.5tb only to diy upgrades realm (1.5tb in 128gb sticks rises beyond 20k at the cheapest).

so for 25.1k you should get:

384gb ram (6k$ bto, 900$ diy)
28 cores Xeon (2.9k bto- xx? Diy)
2 Vega II duo mpx cartridges 96gb hbm total (9k bto)
4 tb SSD, (1.2k bto - 800$ diy dual 2tb m.2/PCIEx8 slot)
a psu cable.

So, for about 18k you should get:

192gb ram (1k bto, 600$ DIY 12x16gb)
14-16 core Xeon (1.5k bto - DIY ???)
same 2 Vega II duo mpx cartridges (9k bto)
1 tb SSD. (Included in base 6k system)
A psu cable.

This is just a market analysis not a prediction/leak

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Assuming full loaded bto Mac pro 7,1 price is 25100 $, and keeping current iMac pro ram/storage/CPU tiers proportion, GPU upgrades should start at 2000$ (rx580 to single vega II and rise to 4-5k for first vega II duo and 8-9K for the 2nd vega II duo (4x GPU 96gb hbm}, CPU upgrades at 500$ for 10 cores and rise to 5000 for 28 cores (but maybe be only 3000 keeping latest Intel halves), storage/ram options likely will be more attractive diy day-0 upgrade as for dual 2tb PCIE SSD Apple should bill about 1200$ and for 384 gb ram not strange apple to bill 6k$ or more and leave 1.5tb only to diy upgrades realm (1.5tb in 128gb sticks rises beyond 20k at the cheapest).

so for 25.1k you should get:

384gb ram (6k$ bto, 900$ diy)
28 cores Xeon (2.9k bto- xx? Diy)
2 Vega II duo mpx cartridges 96gb hbm total (9k bto)
4 tb SSD, (1.2k bto - 800$ diy dual 2tb m.2/PCIEx8 slot)
a psu cable.

So, for about 18k you should get:

192gb ram (1k bto, 600$ DIY 12x16gb)
14-16 core Xeon (1.5k bto - DIY ???)
same 2 Vega II duo mpx cartridges (9k bto)
1 tb SSD. (Included in base 6k system)
A psu cable.

This is just a market analysis not a prediction/leak

My guess is $31.5k for your first config and $23k for your second. There's a lot of room for error in my guesses at the price of those GPUs though, I could easily see your estimates being correct.

In either case we'll know VERY soon.