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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Apple Business leasing has had a $1 buyout option at the end for other plans with minimal (if any) overage costs. Usually 12-36 month terms with the $1 buyout or renewal/replacement at existing lease. Was a good deal for products in the past for a lot of businesses. Just need to be an actual businesses to take advantage (with tax ID).
I got approved for a $8K credit limit on my Apple Card. I've seen as high as $10K.
Either way, though, that’d probably not cover many Mac Pros that get tricked out via Apple versus third-party upgrades like RAM.
As long as we are just guessing - I would very much doubt that Apple would offer 0% over a time period as well as the cash back. If they did offer it, I bet it would be one or the other.
They go up that high, but not much higher, at least in my experience. >$10K, but sub-$20K. I'm not sure the intent of this card was to put heavily BTO-ed Mac Pros on them, especially financing them on that card. I bet we see Mac financing details soon, but it creeps up the price spectrum.
coin battery in the 7Wh range? I'm poking around here
https://batteryguy.com/batteries-by-watt-hours.html
in the 6.8-7.2 range and seeing two way radio and bar code scanner batteries with that kind of capacity.
Trying to keep the T2 running in a temporary blackout/brown out ?
LOOK, If you don't understand why someone would need a 7Wh battery TO DO THEIR JOB then this Mac Pro IS NOT FOR YOU. This is a machine for PROS who earn so much money per hour in billable time that it's EASY TO JUSTIFY a 7Wh battery in their computer. THIS IS NOT A MACHINE FOR ENTHUSIASTS who can get by with consumer batteries. Just go buy a CR2032 battery from Amazon and play your low-watt games!
I'm going to guess there are two CR2477 style batteries being used, but that's just a guess. It's a transport document, so not sure if you're going to get spec-style details aside from what is mentioned.
"Apple product cells are rated at 20 Watt-hours or less and batteries are rated at 100 Watt- hours or less."
"967 Section II (UN3481, Lithium ion batteries contained in equipment)"
You can see this chart from DHL:
Last page lists this, which are the batteries in MP4,1/MP5,1 (and way too many others). No others are linked or mentioned.
"Apple product cells are rated at 20 Watt-hours or less and batteries are rated at 100 Watt- hours or less."
"967 Section II (UN3481, Lithium ion batteries contained in equipment)"
You can see this chart from DHL:
Last page lists this, which are the batteries in MP4,1/MP5,1 (and way too many others). No others are linked or mentioned.
The offer was going to be both for the iPhone.
"... Customers will be able to purchase a new iPhone using Apple Card and pay for it over 24 months with no interest. Customers will continue to get three percent cash back for the purchase as well. ..."
Apple Card Owners Will be Able to Purchase an iPhone and Pay Over 24 Months With No Interest Starting Later This Year
During today's earnings call for the fourth quarter of 2019, Apple CEO Tim Cook announced a new feature that's coming to Apple Card later...
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The Mac Pro starts off with a 256GB SSD and a almost two year old GPU as defaults. If Apple slaps a 37% mark up on it and then "gives back" 6% in so called "perks" there is still a 31% mark up left. The base Mac Pro price is goosed either to cover low volumes or "perks" to get around the low volumes.
And if Apple deposits some more billions with Goldman Sach I'm sure they'll loan it out with Apple carrying the vast majority of the risk. I just don't see Goldman Sachs gambling this way. Just that iPhone program is likely a couple billion.
Are your meds wearing off? Way over the top shouting!
Typically, systems use a CR2032/BR2032 to put a 3 year to 5 year battery life on the clock and CMOS memory. These batteries are in the 0.6 Wh range - good for 3-5 years.
The question is WTF does the Mac Pro need a (non-rechargeable?) battery 10 to 20 times that size - and what happens when it dies?
The typical use for batteries in servers/workstations (in addition to the 2032 for the clock/CMOS) is to use rechargeable LiOn batteries to power the writeback cache for RAID controllers. If power would be lost, "dirty" cache data would be held in cache powered by the battery - usually for a small number of days. If the power came back before the battery died, your data would be saved. (If it didn't come back before the LiOn battery died - potentially catastrophic disk corruption could occur.)
Since "getting the power back in three days or lose your filesystems" wasn't very palatable for most customers, newer RAID controllers (often with two to eight GiB of writeback cache) use a different approach. Instead of keeping the cache data valid in hopes that the power will come back - the newer controllers have a separate flash area the size of the cache (or maybe a bit larger for metadata) and the purpose of the battery is to only last long enough to write dirty cache data from DRAM to the flash store. Weeks or months later, when the power comes back, the dirty data can be copied from the flash store - and no data loss occurs. My HPE servers with potentially multiple RAID controllers with multi-GiB can be ordered with a 96 Wh battery that supplies all the controllers. (Without the optional battery, the controllers operate in the slower - but safe - writethrough mode.)
So, instead of insulting people who ask about the bigger Mac Pro battery - ask why it's needed and what happens when the (non-rechargeable?) battery runs dead.
If it's just the case that the T2 controller has a DRAM writeback cache and there's a rechargeable LiOn battery to make sure that the cache is written to the flash bits - good design.
But don't go ballistic insulting another member without knowing the facts.
I found the battery... It's the one in the keyboard - remember it comes with a wireless keyboard. The second, smaller one is almost certainly in the mouse or trackpad! No strange batteries keeping the T2 running - just a garden-variety wireless keyboard.
No, Nugget was over the top shouting and insulting another member about stuff that none of us really know yet.
That makes sense - 7 Wh is in the range for high capacity AA batteries.
Yep. This is likely a shipping document describing the number of batteries in the Mac Pro box, for safety purposes. Batteries are a fire risk during shipping.
Implies we might be close to shipping.
So the total aggregate batteries in the whole retail shipping box. ( Missed the "air" classification column on left. So 'scary batteries" drama) . I read that as 2 batteries each of 7Wh which would be big. [ "Batteries per product" isn't as accurate as "Batteries per package" ] 3.5Wh is coin sized, but still a bit large. If uneven split between keyboard and mouse then get so something sensible but the keyboard and the mouse aren't really the Mac Pro. This is about the box the Mac Pro ships in more than the system.
But if the retail box of both the mouse and the keyboard and Mac Pro then still seems like should be missing one (that actually is in the Mac Pro for the clock). If you unplug a Mac Pro the clock goes completely dead? Probably not. So much for 'safety" since don't even count those.
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For shipping purposes, the coin battery in the Mac Pro is likely not a significant enough hazard risk to be disclosed. I don't believe the coin cell is even lithium ion, unlike the other products listed which contain rechargeable batteries.
Not sure when it went up but OWC has a Mac Pro 2019 upgrade page. (that is mostly empty besides "Notify Me" at the moment and bragging about 1.5TB RAM upgrades.... which I'm sure they'd be happy to sell for a high multi digit sum. ).
eshop.macsales.com
OWC Upgrades for Apple Mac Pro (2019 - Current)
Make the most of your amazing new Mac Pro (2019 - Current) with OWC performance upgrades. Get up to 1.5TB of OWC memory and upgrade your capacity up to 8TB.
eshop.macsales.com
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Been there for a week or two
Not sure when it went up but OWC has a Mac Pro 2019 upgrade page. (that is mostly empty besides "Notify Me" at the moment and bragging about 1.5TB RAM upgrades.... which I'm sure they'd be happy to sell for a high multi digit sum. ).
OWC Upgrades for Apple Mac Pro (2019 - Current)
Make the most of your amazing new Mac Pro (2019 - Current) with OWC performance upgrades. Get up to 1.5TB of OWC memory and upgrade your capacity up to 8TB.
Been there for a week or two
It's for shipping, I think. It's "what batteries could possibly explode on a plane." Coin cell wouldn't count.
You‘re right. Otherwise it would be 3 batteries. 1 each for keyboard, mouse/trackpad and the Mac Pro itself.
I was wondering if the mem modules installed in the base config (the 8 core Xeon supports 2666 modules instead of 2933) are in fact rated 2666 (which would require complete mem replacement when upgrading the CPU for max performance) or would Apple be our friend and install only 2933 modules whatever base or BTO config so that we don't have to worry about this? I'm hoping for the latter of course. One less SKU for Apple, but also a business opportunity in RAM upgrades. I guess we'll have to wait for the teardowns.