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I think there are a few things being conflated. All the TB3 ports will be video enabled, but like most TB3 Macs, there is a limit to how many displays cam be connected at once. With the Solo card, that’s two displays.

I just meant that all the TB3 ports will have active video, but I also said I didn’t know the max display count.

That is more so all TB3 possibly might have access to active video. If there are four ports to feed and only have two feeds then two of them isn't going to be active. That is just arithmetic.

I suppose Apple could feed just one minimal DP feed to each of the two default host TBv3 controllers. So there would be at least one stream on each pair. It is a bit odd, but then feeding zero to one of the controllers is also a bit odd. But if pick randomly pick one of the four host TB3 sockets to connect one monitor to ... it could be expected to work. ( so probably is a better "just works" set up.... at least until get to the second monitor).

With one on each controller then would be pushing folks to use the top sockets to get to two displays. If feed just the back edge controllers then monitor connection could go where it normally goes. The top is a bit closer to the desktop if the system is placed beside/under a desk though.
 
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That is more so all TB3 possibly might have access to active video. If there are four ports to feed and only have two feeds then two of them isn't going to be active. That is just arithmetic.

I suppose Apple could feed just one minimal DP feed to each of the two default host TBv3 controllers. So there would be at least one stream on each pair. It is a bit odd, but then feeding zero to one of the controllers is also a bit odd. But if pick randomly pick one of the four host TB3 sockets to connect one monitor to ... it could be expected to work. ( so probably is a better "just works" set up.... at least until get to the second monitor).

With one on each controller then would be pushing folks to use the top sockets to get to two displays. If feed just the back edge controllers then monitor connection could go where it normally goes. The top is a bit closer to the desktop if the system is placed beside/under a desk though.

The way TB3 works on other Apple products is all ports are lit up, but you may not be able to use all the ports for DP at once. Somewhere it’s switched.
 
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but how many channels and where are the pci-e lanes being fed from to them?

I don't know. But in since we're talking about one display, it doesn't really matter. The question was if you could plug a display into any port, and the answer is yes.

I don't know the answers to how many controllers there are and which port is on which controller. I just answered that the Mac Pro does not have any data only TB3 ports, as long as you have an MPX card.

You can use up enough DisplayPort streams that a TB3 port would stop providing data. But there are no data only TB3 ports with an MPX card. I'm not talking about filling the ports and that wasn't the original question.
 
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FWIW, B&H now has a product listing for Apple Mac Pro (Late 2019):

Apple Mac Pro (Late 2019)
B&H # APMACPRO19
  • 3.5 GHz Intel Xeon W Eight-Core
  • 32GB of 2666 MHz DDR4 ECC RAM
  • AMD Radeon Pro 580X GPU (8GB GDDR5)
  • 256GB of PCIe M.2 SSD Storage
  • 2 x 10 Gigabit Ethernet Ports
  • Wi-Fi 5 (802.11ac) | Bluetooth 5.0
  • Thunderbolt 3 | HDMI 2.0 | USB 3.0
  • Includes Magic Keyboard & Magic Mouse 2
  • macOS
Key Features
  • 3.5 GHz Intel Xeon W Eight-Core
  • 32GB of 2666 MHz DDR4 ECC RAM
  • AMD Radeon Pro 580X GPU (8GB GDDR5)
  • 256GB of PCIe M.2 SSD Storage
 
Likely just a placeholder for the base model, but these types of listings usually show up around time of announcement (usually for PRE-ORDER) or at/around time of release (usually for PRE-ORDER while awaiting their stock). Rarely are they just added without any reason.

ALL 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 "trashcan" models are now officially listed as discontinued on their website.

Apple store MP6,1 ship times continue to slip, but they are still for sale and customizable.
 
Likely just a placeholder for the base model, but these types of listings usually show up around time of announcement (usually for PRE-ORDER) or at/around time of release (usually for PRE-ORDER while awaiting their stock). Rarely are they just added without any reason.

ALL 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 "trashcan" models are now officially listed as discontinued on their website.

Apple store MP6,1 ship times continue to slip, but they are still for sale and customizable.

Smells like tomorrow is the day. Fingers cross for all that need it.
 
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ALL 2013 Mac Pro 6,1 "trashcan" models are now officially listed as discontinued on their website.
Link, please. When I look at store.apple.com they are still for sale. Banner at bottom of the Mac Pro page.

::edit:: Never mind; I just realized you were referring to B&H.
 
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Mac Pro has been added to this Siri page with November 04, 2019 publish date:

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That one has been up for a few weeks.

Mac Pro has been added to this Siri page with November 04, 2019 publish date:

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The previous version of the page also mentioned the Mac Pro, you can see that here:

Both the 2013 and the cMP would need an attached mic as well.
 
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Probably going to go for:

16 cores
96 gb ram
Single Vega 2
2 tb ssd

I’ve bounced back and forth on this. Tried out Windows for real again this year and it’s just not a fun experience. I think this spec will run me about 8500 dollars but W/E.
 
Probably going to go for:

16 cores
96 gb ram
Single Vega 2
2 tb ssd

I’ve bounced back and forth on this. Tried out Windows for real again this year and it’s just not a fun experience. I think this spec will run me about 8500 dollars but W/E.

8500? that seems like it will be 10k+
 
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Tomorrow?
I hope so....
Curious about the BTO options and prices.
 
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The way TB3 works on other Apple products is all ports are lit up, but you may not be able to use all the ports for DP at once. Somewhere it’s switched.

Thunderbolt is a switch for the sets of signals feed into the controller. For the video it is more like a/b switch though. Pragmatically can't chop the DP stream into subpieces. The TB controller takes two DP inputs. If you leave one of those inputs empty then something isn't going to get fed in a two port set up.

It is "active" if don't use the other one is bit of dancing on a pin. The HDMI port on the Vega II cards is "active" then up until you consume the DP stream it is sharing/switched on with the TB controller.

Looking again at the Mac Pro specs the 580X can drive two XDRs (via the two different pairs on the host ) and the Vega II Solo can drive two XDRs . So Apple probably did split the two across two TB controllers (because now can't drive a 3rd XDR ). Which back to the "any port". For the XDR it won't. In the context, of the Vega II 'solo' the TBv3 ports on the host system won't work. Those TBv3 ports won't work for most 5K monitors also from the last several years (which need two stream inputs ).

So if someone had a base config Mac Pro with a 580X and an XDR hooked up and then swapped out the 580X for a Vega II 'Solo' then they'd have to move the TB cable connection to one of the GPU card's edge connectors to make it work. (that's a bit quirky).

But yeah, for a single sub 4K monitor, it is all any TBv3 port would do.
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I don't know. But in since we're talking about one display, it doesn't really matter. The question was if you could plug a display into any port, and the answer is yes.

The tangent started with not generic displays but the XDR.

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The XDR can be attached to any TB3 port. Including the top mounted if that’s how you want to roll.

As long as you have a MPX GPU video will be routed to all ports. ..."

But there are no data only TB3 ports with an MPX card. I'm not talking about filling the ports and that wasn't the original question.

I thought there might be but there isn't. In retrospect, it probably makes it easier to pass the Thunderbolt certification that there is at least one video stream for the Vega II 'solo' case. But does come at a trade-off is that two stream displays won't work.

Pragmatically, those one display stream feed controllers probably will end up being used as "data only" ports in more than a few contexts. 2 out of 3 monitors Apple is pitching don't really work well (XDR and Ultrafine 5k ).
 
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Thunderbolt is a switch for the sets of signals feed into the controller. For the video it is more like a/b switch though. Pragmatically can't chop the DP stream into subpieces. The TB controller takes two DP inputs. If you leave one of those inputs empty then something isn't going to get fed in a two port set up.

It is "active" if don't use the other one is bit of dancing on a pin. The HDMI port on the Vega II cards is "active" then up until you consume the DP stream it is sharing/switched on with the TB controller.

Looking again at the Mac Pro specs the 580X can drive two XDRs (via the two different pairs on the host ) and the Vega II Solo can drive two XDRs . So Apple probably did split the two across two TB controllers (because now can't drive a 3rd XDR ). Which back to the "any port". For the XDR it won't. In the context, of the Vega II 'solo' the TBv3 ports on the host system won't work. Those TBv3 ports won't work for most 5K monitors also from the last several years (which need two stream inputs ).

So if someone had a base config Mac Pro with a 580X and an XDR hooked up and then swapped out the 580X for a Vega II 'Solo' then they'd have to move the TB cable connection to one of the GPU card's edge connectors to make it work. (that's a bit quirky).

But yeah, for a single sub 4K monitor, it is all any TBv3 port would do.
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The tangent started with not generic displays but the XDR.

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The XDR can be attached to any TB3 port. Including the top mounted if that’s how you want to roll.

As long as you have a MPX GPU video will be routed to all ports. ..."



I thought there might be but there isn't. In retrospect, it probably makes it easier to pass the Thunderbolt certification that there is at least one video stream for the Vega II 'solo' case. But does come at a trade-off is that two stream displays won't work.

Pragmatically, those one display stream feed controllers probably will end up being used as "data only" ports in more than a few contexts. 2 out of 3 monitors Apple is pitching don't really work well (XDR and Ultrafine 5k ).

Thanks to everyone. It seems to be a consensus that if we have the 16 core chip and one Vega II Duo, we are wise to connect the XDR directly to one of the TB3 slots on the Vega II Duo's edge. I'm sure it doesn't matter which one on the edge if there are multiple ones.

If we are using two HS7 audio monitors and using the Apollo Twin Interface, where will we attach the Apollo to on the Mac Pro? Is there a preference for this placement given that it is an audio (data) device?
 
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